After watching X1 and X2 again recently.....

Discussion in 'X-Men 1, 2 & 3' started by AVEITWITHJAMON, May 23, 2006.

  1. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    .....i get the distinct impression that Singers X3 would have been vastly different from the X3 we are getting. I havent seen X3, so i cant judge it, but i think Singers version would have been the best of the series by a long way. I get the impression that, the movie would have been longer, at least over 2 hrs, Cyclops would have taken centre stage in the 3rd movie, as the end of X2 seemed to set up, Jean would not have been immediatly evil upon returning, Nightcrawler would have been in the movie, and Beast and Gambit would have possibly been the new characters, Magneto may not have been as prominent as in the current X3, Xavier would not go through what he does in the current X3, Storm wouldnt have had as big a role, Rogue would have had a bigger role, Wolverine would have probably had the same screen time as he does in the current X3, but it would have been Cyclops and Xavier would have brought Jean back and her fate may have been different and i dont think the cure plot would have been introduced.

    Now while the current X3 may be good, and i'm may not be right with all of my suggestions, i cant help thinking that Singers X3 would have been amazing, a movie to truly knock Batman Begins, X2 and Spiderman 2 off of their perches at the top, and it saddens me.
     
  2. Octoberist point blank

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    Singer's vision would be different from Ratner's (Or should I say Fox since he's only a yesman). That's a given.

    But I can turn back time to prevent this whole thing form happening..but it would be interesting to know what Singer would of done with this movie. Gambit? Sentinals? Cyclops as the main character? More focus on Phoenix? WHo knows?

    But Ratner's X3 will forever be known as a "WHat happened if Singer made it" movie.
     
  3. Chris M Registered

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    Actually I doubt Nightcrawler would be in X3 since Alan Cummings did NOT get on with Singer at all.

    But yes I agree with you 100%:up:

    Singer is my favorite director and I was very, very disapointed the day I read he wasn't going to do X3. I feel like I was teased with a the promise of what would've been my #1 film - that I'll now never see.

    Ah well, I'll get over it. ;)
     
  4. Octoberist point blank

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    However, Cummings did open up his busy schedule for X3 during last summer, with or without SInger. When Fox dropped him, it was such a damn waste.
     
  5. Feyd Rautha Registered

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    We'll probably get a rough idea of what Singer's X3 would be like in his run on Ultimate X-Men...whenever that happens.
     
  6. Nell2ThaIzzay Registered

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    Singer's X-Men 3 would have been awesome, but in my too-early-to-truly-tell-because-I-haven't-seen-it opinion, so is X-Men: The Last Stand.

    Sure, Singer's would have been different, but overall, I like what we're getting.

    I like the idea of the cure. And I like the prominence that Magneto is getting.

    Sure Phoenix would have been handled better, and Cyclops would have had the role he deserves to have...

    But it's likely that Storm would be totally non-existant, or just a brief cameo.

    I'm totally against an X-Men 4, because I think these films should wrap up as a trilogy...

    But I would be interested to have Bryan Singer come back and turn his X-Men 3 into X-Men 4. Granted, certain things would obviously have to be different; he wouldn't be able to do his take on the Phoenix Saga. And he'd have some new story arcs to finish out...

    But, depending on what he had planned, it'd probably be possible to do his basic outline and vision of X-Men 3 and turn it into X-Men 4.
     
  7. Octoberist point blank

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    X4 would be cool only if X3 is good. If X3 turns out to be bad, then the potential for X4 is slim, unless Fox would use it as an 'apology for X3'.
     
  8. EmmaFrostRules Waiting for May 26th...

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    ye that wud be cool. hed find a way to bring the characters back without it destroying the plot of x3
     
  9. Chris M Registered

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    Forgive me if this is spoilerish, but from what I'm hearing Ratner has ignored Singer's Phoenix setup in X2 (ie: Jean is the next stage of mutant evolution triggered by Magneto's Ellis Island wave)? Now we're told Jean was always a powerful mutant? Is this true?

    Also the whole "Phoenix" motif that we say in X2 has vanished in X3?
     
  10. Octoberist point blank

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    I dont know anymore..
     
  11. EmmaFrostRules Waiting for May 26th...

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    i dunno, i thought it was cerebro that broke the mental circuit thingies in her head. who cares lol. let's just watch the film and enjoy it
     
  12. Feyd Rautha Registered

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    With Magneto and Xavier surviving X3, it certainly leaves the door open for a fourth. X3 doesn't seem as final as we may have thought...maybe for 2-3 characters, but not as a whole
     
  13. Sunstar Child of Sun and Star

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    If Singer had done X3 he would've given the film the depth, character development and subtlety which the film is clearly lacking(judging from the reviews so far)! This of course would mean we would see less action and scenes like the Danger Room would've been left out but IMHO Brett Ratner tried to fit too much in too little time which I think Singer wouldn't have done! He would've either taken out some stuff or given the film a longer running time! I had faith in Brett Ratner after hearing his interviews where he said he wanted to keep some of the themes and vision Singer had given the franchise and I thought he could pull it off! But unfortunately he's given us the film everyone was expecting:a non-stop FX fest were story and development are just there to take us to the next in your face action scene! He had the potential to do so much more but unfortunately he's just given us another superhero popcorn flick!

    Of course I don't think he was entirely to blame! We shouldn't take the blame away from serial disaster scriptwriters Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn as well as Fox themselves who probably gave Ratner and Co. the ridiculous production and running time!
     
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    If Singer couldn't make the ultimate X-men movie with 2 attempts what makes you think his 3rd try would've been any different?

    Singer's 3rd X-men movie would've had fewer mutants and fewer action scenes. Thanks but no thanks. :down
     
  15. Octoberist point blank

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    fewer mutants with more screen time my friend...
     
  16. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    Totally agree with what you just said Sunstar, the guys who wrote the screenplay for X2 would have written Singers X3 (Dougherty and Harris was it?), and it would have been amazing........such a shame.
     
  17. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    Well for one, Ratner had a budget that was higher than the first two movies put together, so Singer was A LOT more restricted in what he could do with the first 2 movies. AND, Fox didnt even gain any confidence in the franchise until Singer left, get a clue fella.
     
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    Singer didn't have the script Ratner has, Singer had alot less stunts then Ratner.
     
  19. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    Exactly, Singer would have had a better script that didnt underuse or kill off characters.
     
  20. blind_fury Registered

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    Oh yeah Singer's X-men movies always have poorly executed thrid acts.

    When Magneto tried to turn people into mutants in X1 it came off as dumb and silly. And when Jean died in X2 it felt forced and anti-climatic. Compare that to the Star Wars Original Trilogy. Every movie has an awesome climax. That's the difference between a forgettable movies and classics.
     
  21. blind_fury Registered

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    Who underused Cyclops and Colossus in X2? Singer did. How can you be sure he wouldn't have made the same mistake in X3?
     
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    Whatever he would have done, he probably wouldnt have thrown 40 mutants into 20 second parts in X3 like Ratner and Fox have done.
     
  23. AVEITWITHJAMON Darksider

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    Because he now would have had the budget to include more, and the end of X2 virtually set up Cyclops to be the focus in X3 along with Jean.
     
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    I have feeling that Singer's X2 would be actionless like X1 and X2 and again wouldn't be satisfying movie.
     
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    I like Ratner.
     

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