After watching X1 and X2 again recently.....

[WalkingDead]

Bryan most likely would have done something with Scott, since he has stated time and again he thought he was a great character and favored Marsden. Likely it probably would have been a huge Wolverine movie too, not to say that the real DP is without its Wolverine. It [probably] would have been the love story of Scott and Jean, while Logan got all the hack and slash action the audience could handle. Scott probably would have led the team much like in X1, probably would have had the emotional scenes between him and Jean and then possibly some sort of fight between him and the main villian or whatever. Cyclops role in Singer's X3 likely would have been about the size Storm or Jean had in X2. People act like Singer marginalized Scott somehow, which has to be the dumbest thing I ever heard. The first movie his character was probably only second the Wolverine in terms of X-Men, and maybe larger than Xavier. He had great scenes in that movie, and they actually revealled he was more than just some uptight jerk. Even in X2, despite the somewhat unwarrented openning scene with Wolverine, he had a fair amount of screentime considering in the graphic novel he had even less. And again Singer gave him a great moment on the X-Jet which was quiet deserving of his character.

Furthermore I don't know exactly what role you want Cyclops to have had in Singer's X-franchise. Did you want him to have a ton of lines: guess what? It would be incredibly out of character for Scott to be talking all the time. He DOESN'T DO THAT. He talks to very certain people (Jean, Xavier, Warren and Beast in the comics) and the rest don't get to see anything past a stuck up exterior. He is and will always be a hard guy to get to know, especially for someone like Wolverine, Bobby, Mr Lorrio, or anyone else for that matter. The fact that Scott's most revealled and longest lines were between him and Xavier and him and Jean in X1 and X2 is actually quiet in character for him. In fact it's exactly how you expect Cyclops to act. The fact that Jean chooses him over Wolverine and the audience is befuddled is probably more or less a correct response, because no one else but Jean known what goes on underneath Cyclops big head of his. The lines in the turbine room, in museum, the medic bay in the X-Mansion with Xavier, this silent brooding Marsden does so frequently, that is Scott Summers.

I totally agree here. I've always felt like Cyclops was Cyclops. Particularly in X1. In X1 Cyke shows his love of Jean, his love of Xavier, his tension with Logan, his ability to lead, and his stern, stoic attitude.

 

[Abaddon]

what ability to lead?


What was stoic about him laughing when Wolverine called him a dick?

 

[WalkingDead]

what ability to lead?


What was stoic about him laughing when Wolverine called him a dick?

Ability to Lead:
He figured out what Magneto was gonna use Rogue for first. He made the plan of attack and descent on to Liberty Island. He organized everyone during the final moments to stop Magneto, giving solid commands. May not be him leading the X-Men into a battle, but he did show a commanding presence.

Stoic:
Stern expressions throughout the film, showing emotions mainly only to Jean and Xavier, and being straight-laced around Logan. BUT even a stoic guy can get light-hearted once in a while and considering his view on Wolverine, a small chuckle after the "dick" line is something that's not far-fetched.



EDIT:
I'm NOT saying Cyke wasn't underused. He was, very much so. BUT he still has many of the things that make Cyclops, Cyclops. Particularly in X1.

 

[Abaddon]

I just think any attempts to give the character were squelched the moment Wolverine showed up in the scene.His character was completed swallowed,which is why its easy to forget he did anything leader-like.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I just think any attempts to give the character were squelched the moment Wolverine showed up in the scene.His character was completed swallowed,which is why its easy to forget he did anything leader-like.

I think after reading reviews and spending time on these fanboards you have a tough time through all this to prove that. If anything the opposite is the problem. Not that they are wasting a forgetable character in the movie franchise, but a memorable one. Storm (who has been awful and moves more far afield of Storm every movie), Bobby, Rogue and Mystique to name a few have not given much in terms of performance, but they are getting treated better than Marsden who has been consistently good in Singer's franchise.

 

[Abaddon]

Of course he'll be memorable to you.You're a fan of the character.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Of course he'll be memorable to you.You're a fan of the character.

But I did not create any of the three threads on the first page about him, nor did I write any of the reviews who say his death "was a waste", nor did I spark this debate which is leading most internet forums. If his character was forgettable, his thread would not have 21,000+ posts (and be the largest character thread) and furthermore we would not be having this debate in the first place...

 

[Abaddon]

But I did not create any of the three threads on the first page about him, nor did I write any of the reviews who say his death "was a waste", nor did I spark this debate which is leading most internet forums. If his character was forgettable, his thread would not have 21,000+ posts (and be the largest character thread) and furthermore we would not be having this debate in the first place...

Well,when we're on a superhero message board chances are the people frequenting it are already familiar with the comic character, and most fans are upset over the fact that he hasn't gotten much play.

 

[The Dark Defender]

.....i get the distinct impression that Singers X3 would have been vastly different from the X3 we are getting.

Indeed. It would've been a totally flat film that was visually mediocre, rather than some characters worth investing interest in with alot of very powerful visuals.

 

[Psionic Force]

Wouldnt it actually be pretty much the same thing? I mean, Ratner/Singer, are oly the directors. They are directing what other people put to paper. So I assume that the writers would have remained the same, therefore, so would have the storyline. Right? Sure, things might have looked different visually, but the plot and all that would still be the same thing.....

 

[Abaddon]

well when Singer left he took two of the writers with him,but I don't know if that has any bearing on the topic in question.

 

[Psionic Force]

well when Singer left he took two of the writers with him,but I don't know if that has any bearing on the topic in question.

ok... that peaked my interest. See, I never followed, or looked into, the whole story of Singer leaving. Sounds to me like he was an ******* when he left!

 

[Speedball]

I hate what singer did to Cyclops in X2. I think he gave him enough time in X1.
but when i sat in the theater, and waited for cyke to appear for almost an hour, I was like WTF! they just totally screwed him up. He should have escaped Alkali, got into a fight with Deathstrike while leaving, ending with her almost incinerated. He should have taken one of the hummers and headed toward boston, knowing that Jean was there.
Also, i found Jean's death totally pointless. She could have done ALL of that while in the plane. There could have been another reason for the rise of the Phoenix, like the space plane from the cartoon. I thought that was a cool idea.

 

[Psionic Force]

Also, i found Jean's death totally pointless. She could have done ALL of that while in the plane. There could have been another reason for the rise of the Phoenix, like the space plane from the cartoon. I thought that was a cool idea.

No it couldnt have.... there are deleted scenes on the X2 dvd and one shows why it could not have worked.

 

[Speedball]

hmm... Nightcrawler could have gone out there, waited til the time was right, and bamphed back in time with jean. or Storm would have created winds to help lift the plane. or Iceman could have lowered the temperature of the water, or storm could have. or Cyke could have evaporated it all with a giant blast. or maybe he should have had Kitty captured, and had her hold onto jean while the wave went over. there are many what if's!

 

[BMM]

hmm... Nightcrawler could have gone out there, waited til the time was right, and bamphed back in time with jean. or Storm would have created winds to help lift the plane. or Iceman could have lowered the temperature of the water, or storm could have. or Cyke could have evaporated it all with a giant blast. or maybe he should have had Kitty captured, and had her hold onto jean while the wave went over. there are many what if's!

This issue is addressed in the movie. Jean made a choice, that's why she left the plane. No, Nightcrawler could not have saved her, as she didn't want to be saved--hence the lines, "Could we have done more to save her? . . . "In the past, she may have let us." Also, she disables Nightcrawler from using his powers, as is again addressed in the movie . . . the same goes for everyone else. It was Jean's choice. Jean trumps everyone. No one was in a position to do otherwise.

 

[heck yeh baby X]

I love these DVD's so much....I accidently got one stuck..........yeh it hurt

was wondering what the hole was for

 

[sirius14sho]

X1 just came on FX, and they showed the 7min. preview. Now my dad wants to see it more than I do, he just asked me to put X2 on for him.

 

[Abaddon]

So Jean was suicidal?

 

[BMM]

So Jean was suicidal?

Apparently. It's something she likes to do quite a bit.

 

[sirius14sho]

No, she did what she had to do to save everyone elses, don't forget that if she hadn't done it, everyone would have died.

 

[BMM]

No, she did what she had to do to save everyone elses, don't forget that if she hadn't done it, everyone would have died.

I know. I was being sarcastic . . . she sacrifices herself (allows herself to be killed) quite often (but yes, it's generally for the better of those around her).

 

[Abaddon]

I like the original version better,where she dies destroying the base full of Sentinels.

 

[BMM]

I like the original version better,where she dies destroying the base full of Sentinels.

It was a good idea . . . I wish FOX would have provided the funding.

 

[Abaddon]

No, she did what she had to do to save everyone elses, don't forget that if she hadn't done it, everyone would have died.

Apparently she didn't give anyone the choice to save themselves.