After watching X1 and X2 again recently.....

[ShadowBoxing]

You cannot watch that scene in X2 and think Singer hated Cyclops. The whole Jean death scene has one whole Wolverine line in it which is "she's gone" and said quietly. Everyone other line save three lines in that whole scene is said by Cyclops.

 

[Abaddon]

It was a good idea . . . I wish FOX would have provided the funding.

The only problem I saw was in making Stryker behind the Sentinel project.That honor shouldve gone to Trask,or at least Lang.

 

[chaseter]

No, she did what she had to do to save everyone elses, don't forget that if she hadn't done it, everyone would have died.

She could of done the same inside of the plane. She made a choice and she obviously wanted to end her pain from her new uncontrollable powers. Jean could of flew the plane inside the cockpit with her powers, Nightcrawler could of teleported everyone to safety, Storm could have created a cyclone to divert the water, Iceman could of frozen the water, there are a ton of possibilites. They all went inside the plane, Jean stayed outside and would not let anyone help her. She wanted to die.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Don't blame Singer for Cyclops. If anything he saved the character of Cyclops. Its obvious by the scene where Jean dies and Cyclops and Wolverine are crying and then the line "It, was you", that Singer saw Wolverine and Cyclops as finally coming to a friendship. Singer did not have Scott and Logan lashing out at eachother at the end of X2 and I bet if X3 had come out he would not have marginalized Scott. Considering the source material of GLMK and what scenes they ended up giving to Cyclops actually meant Singer and DeSanto felt Cyclops had a character. That final scene of Jean's death in X2 just proves they felt Cyclops and Marsden had potential by giving him the most emotional, most memorable, most climatic point in the movie. Don't take your anger out on Singer, he is not the one who f---ed up Cyclops. Ratner, Vaughn, Kinberg, Penn and Rothman did that all on their own.

 

[BMM]

The only problem I saw was in making Stryker behind the Sentinel project.That honor shouldve gone to Trask,or at least Lang.

Yeah, that probably would have been an issue for me as well. I would like to think that Stryker was merely a part of something bigger . . . like when he says, "One day someone will finish what I started." I would have liked Trask to have been behind the sentinels and that Stryker was merely using them . . . but that Trask would be incorporated in some way too.

 

[chaseter]

Don't blame Singer for Cyclops. If anything he saved the character of Cyclops. Its obvious by the scene where Jean dies and Cyclops and Wolverine are crying and then the line "It, was you", that Singer saw Wolverine and Cyclops as finally coming to a friendship. Singer did not have Scott and Logan lashing out at eachother at the end of X2 and I bet if X3 had come out he would not have marginalized Scott. Considering the source material of GLMK and what scenes they ended up giving to Cyclops actually meant Singer and DeSanto felt Cyclops had a character. That final scene of Jean's death in X2 just proves they felt Cyclops and Marsden had potential by giving him the most emotional, most memorable, most climatic point in the movie. Don't take your anger out on Singer, he is not the one who f---ed up Cyclops. Ratner, Vaughn, Kinberg, Penn and Rothman did that all on their own.

You have to blame Jimmy as well. Kinberg and Penn said studio polititcs play a huge role in movie making. Fox could have very well been bitter at the fact the Jimmy followed Singer to Superman. If he had stayed...no doubt in my mind his role would have been larger.

 

[WorthyStevens]

You have to blame Jimmy as well. Kinberg and Penn said studio polititcs play a huge role in movie making. Fox could have very well been bitter at the fact the Jimmy followed Singer to Superman. If he had stayed...no doubt in my mind his role would have been larger.

If anyone's to blame for Fox being bitter about Jimmy making Superman, it's Fox. Not Jimmy.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You have to blame Jimmy as well. Kinberg and Penn said studio polititcs play a huge role in movie making. Fox could have very well been bitter at the fact the Jimmy followed Singer to Superman. If he had stayed...no doubt in my mind his role would have been larger.

Blame Jimmy for Fox for not having a director, a script or a contract and then when the actors start jumping ship...NOW you wanna make a movie, that was FOX's fault all the way.

 

[Speedball]

has there been a post of make your own version of the X-men movies yet?

 

[chaseter]

If anyone's to blame for Fox being bitter about Jimmy making Superman, it's Fox. Not Jimmy.

I merely said studio politics get in the way. Jimmy more than well probably knew what was going to happen and he still did it. I don't blame him for wanting to follow Singer and be in another movie to not get typecasted. But people fail to realize it is partly his fault. Studio politics will never change.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I merely said studio politics get in the way. Jimmy more than well probably knew what was going to happen and he still did it. I don't blame him for wanting to follow Singer and be in another movie to not get typecasted. But people fail to realize it is partly his fault. Studio politics will never change.

How could Jimmy know that Fox would be as bitter as they turned out?

 

[Speedball]

Argh.. Well i'm gonna make it.

 

[chaseter]

How could Jimmy know that Fox would be as bitter as they turned out?

They are competing studios. What do you think they would have done. Fox was angry because Jimmy left when Singer did to do a competing movie for the same summer. That is like giving your two weeks notice at a job and saying you found a better job...how do you think that first job is going to treat you?

 

[chaseter]

Argh.. Well i'm gonna make it.

DO IT

 

[WorthyStevens]

They are competing studios. What do you think they would have done. Fox was angry because Jimmy left when Singer did to do a competing movie for the same summer. That is like giving your two weeks notice at a job and saying you found a better job...how do you think that first job is going to treat you?

Except James never intended on leaving X3.

 

[chaseter]

Except James never intended on leaving X3.

How did he never intend to? Did Singer drag him over to SR?

 

[BMM]

Argh.. Well i'm gonna make it.

Yes, there is one.

 

[WorthyStevens]

How did he never intend to? Did Singer drag him over to SR?

Actors have been known to film different movies at the same time. It wouldn't have affected either studio terribly.

 

[chaseter]

Actors have been known to film different movies at the same time. It wouldn't have affected either studio terribly.

Hmmmm...one actor does two movies that were filmed close together and slated for the same summer release. They are both highly publicized and greatly expected. One actor is working on one movie and begins shooting its competition around the same time. Sorry but that would make me mad too. He also followed the studio's Benedict Arnold, Bryan Singer. I am sure Fox is extremley pissed at Singer and hitting Jimmy where it hurts may have been there way to get to him...STUDIO POLITICS.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Hmmmm...one actor does two movies that were filmed close together and slated for the same summer release. They are both highly publicized and greatly expected. One actor is working on one movie and begins shooting its competition around the same time. Sorry but that would make me mad too. He also followed the studio's Benedict Arnold, Bryan Singer. I am sure Fox is extremley pissed at Singer and hitting Jimmy where it hurts may have been there way to get to him...STUDIO POLITICS.

If they're that petty, than I blame it all on Fox. Marsden had a great opportunity to star in another blockbuster that would get him more exposure. Not to mention Fox waited too long to start production.

 

[MoPlaYa]

Singer screwed Cyclops in X2...So i`m sure he wouldn`t do Cyclops justice in X3

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That whole thing was lame.

If they were really mad at Marsden, they wouldn't have cast him, they would have found someone else.

The parameters were merely his limited availability, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Hmmmm...one actor does two movies that were filmed close together and slated for the same summer release. They are both highly publicized and greatly expected. One actor is working on one movie and begins shooting its competition around the same time. Sorry but that would make me mad too. He also followed the studio's Benedict Arnold, Bryan Singer. I am sure Fox is extremley pissed at Singer and hitting Jimmy where it hurts may have been there way to get to him...STUDIO POLITICS.

Your theory should be great...but Ian McKellen did Da Vinci Code which is in much more direct competition than Superman is, in fact Superman is released long after X3 makes its money, so no dice. Da Vinci Code is its competition and Ian has among the biggest roles.

 

[chaseter]

If they're that petty, than I blame it all on Fox. Marsden had a great opportunity to star in another blockbuster that would get him more exposure. Not to mention Fox waited to start production for so long.

Exactly...that is why I said earlier that I do not blame Marsden because he does not want to get typecasted. But I am sure that he very well knew what would happen to his Cyclops role.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Singer screwed Cyclops in X2...So i`m sure he wouldn`t do Cyclops justice in X3

For the last time NO HE DIDN'T. God Loves Man Kills, guess what Cyclops gets captured, doesn't fight Jean, doesn't have a big emotional scene where he mourns over her death, doesn't even fight a guard. So Singer gave him MORE TO DO in a story that had him do far less, and he gave him the movies big climatic final scene.