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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 1 "Pilot" Discussion Thread

What did you think of the Pilot episode?

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Extremis wasn't on sale because it was too dangerous. All of the people who exploded were test subjects lured in by Killian and then sent off in their volatile state. They were ex-soldiers who had lost limbs in combat and were enticed by the prospect of Extremis regrowing their body parts. Killian and Maya Hansen were using the test subjects in their attempts to perfect Extremis and eliminate its explosive "glitch".

The scientists running that illegal lab in AOS may turn out to be rogue elements of AIM, out to make a killing of their own by combining Extremis with other technologies and selling powers.


Well....yes and no. Killian said in IM3 that he had many clients for Extremis around the world, and it was implied that the Extremis soldiers were basically mercenaries. So there's likely to be more than a few of them still left in the world, and *some* may be volatile and unable to "regulate," but Killian and Hansen seemed to imply that the side effects applied only to a few subjects.
 
Yeah I thought so too. Got the impression that Extremis is being sold on the black market after the events of IM3

I agree. IM3 established Extremis (as killian had it) was unstable (though Stark said he almost had it cracked 13 years ago when he was drunk) and he was/had already lined up buyers for it.

The % of exploding subjects is unknown but even if it's low you are still gonna want to figure out a way of preventing that (which they wanted Stark to help them do)*

IM3 ended with Stark having indeed 'cracked' it (he claimed he'd almost cracked in 13 years before when he was drunk) at least to the point where they were able to safely remove it from Pepper.

They presumably used to same removal technique on Mike at the end of the episode (Coulson said 'we have some experience with this kind of thing' to Skye about Mike's rehabilitation, a direct reference to Stark's cure imo)

*I think the 'Centipede' device was simply another experimental means of trying to deliver a stable Extremis to a subject. One that failed, obviously, but I would not be surprised if Extremis appears again later on.
 
I agree. IM3 established Extremis (as killian had it) was unstable (though Stark said he almost had it cracked 13 years ago when he was drunk) and he was/had already lined up buyers for it.

The % of exploding subjects is unknown but even if it's low you are still gonna want to figure out a way of preventing that (which they wanted Stark to help them do)*

IM3 ended with Stark having indeed 'cracked' it (he claimed he'd almost cracked in 13 years before when he was drunk) at least to the point where they were able to safely remove it from Pepper.

They presumably used to same removal technique on Mike at the end of the episode (Coulson said 'we have some experience with this kind of thing' to Skye about Mike's rehabilitation, a direct reference to Stark's cure imo)

*I think the 'Centipede' device was simply another experimental means of trying to deliver a stable Extremis to a subject. One that failed, obviously, but I would not be surprised if Extremis appears again later on.
So you saw the pilot Wobs? A friend in Germany said they were blocked on the ABC site
 
So you saw the pilot Wobs? A friend in Germany said they were blocked on the ABC site

It was aired here in the UK on the 27th.

I saw it earlier, but plead to 5th as to how :cwink: (I also watched again in Channel 4, so they didn't lose a viewer, lol)
 
lol I have no issues with the other way lol Glad you got to see it tho. lol
 
I agree. IM3 established Extremis (as killian had it) was unstable (though Stark said he almost had it cracked 13 years ago when he was drunk) and he was/had already lined up buyers for it.

The % of exploding subjects is unknown but even if it's low you are still gonna want to figure out a way of preventing that (which they wanted Stark to help them do)*

IM3 ended with Stark having indeed 'cracked' it (he claimed he'd almost cracked in 13 years before when he was drunk) at least to the point where they were able to safely remove it from Pepper.

They presumably used to same removal technique on Mike at the end of the episode (Coulson said 'we have some experience with this kind of thing' to Skye about Mike's rehabilitation, a direct reference to Stark's cure imo)

*I think the 'Centipede' device was simply another experimental means of trying to deliver a stable Extremis to a subject. One that failed, obviously, but I would not be surprised if Extremis appears again later on.

Didn't notice the Stark reference, nice catch
 
An Indirect reference perhaps,
To me an actual Stark reference uses his name .
 
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*I think the 'Centipede' device was simply another experimental means of trying to deliver a stable Extremis to a subject. One that failed, obviously, but I would not be surprised if Extremis appears again later on.

Yeah, it seems more than likely that the centipede is modified Chitauri tech that delivers a new Extremis formula.

I really liked how the pilot took elements from the films and combining them to create the centipede. Some references
to The Avengers felt a bit too heavy handed, but this part felt like a solid bit of writing and it seems a shame to dismiss it as being basically the same thing as Extremis.

In IM3 the explosions have two causes: a quantity too large or an inability to self regulate resulting in an overdose or a person's system straight out rejecting the Extremis formula after the initial injection. Sure, the effects border on magical but the basic principal here is the same with any real world drug in that the wrong amount can kill you. At the end it all comes down to the hard numbers: how large a dose will blow someone up, can Tony find a solution for the chemical's incomplete equation?

No one in IM3 appears to blow up simply out of anger nor is it ever brought up as a possible warning sign of detonation. So it seems weird that when we're reintroduced to Extremis again in Agents Of SHIELD not only are we told that Mike can blow himself up just by getting pissed off enough, but Mike suggests that the whole rage trigger is based less on numbers and more on personality traits. Come on, now, doesn't that sound way less stable than what is seen in IM3? The old serum was apparently fixed. What could you possibly do to it that would increase your chances of going too hot?


You add gamma radiation, of course! It's a move that makes little sense assuming your goal is to stabilize/perfect something like the original Extremis, implying that a physical cure-all was never the intention of this new project. What if Stark's new and improved Extremis worked by slowing down the regeneration factor to a less "super" rate or even just inadvertently removing the range of incredibly increased abilities exhibited by the Extremis soldiers? If your goal is to create powers you might go looking for a less stable version of Extremis on purpose.

Moving the whole purpose of Extremis from a healing agent into this magic power granter moves it further from solid math and deeper into comic book territory. The addition of gamma radiation, for instance, apparently creates a new trigger for the self detonations. They're now linked with the subject's rage. An emotion that is made worse by the serum itself which, as Mike tells us, brings out whatever is already present inside of a person. A trait it happens to share with the Super Solider Serum given to Steve Rogers himself. Add all of that (plus a little alien technology) to the mix and while they might have called the centipede Extremis at first, it seems like it's a very different thing from IM3. It feels much more like a "group effort" type of deal.

And, again, what I like about it is that the show never goes, "It's Extremis but they added gamma radiation, meaning that the explosions will now be triggered by anger just like that other famous gamma experiment: The Hulk!" Hopefully the references on the show will stay closer to this.
 
I thought I'd just post this for now. Earlier I mentioned typing up a couple episode transcripts as a guide to work off of for me to better understand the episode timing and the character's voices. The following is just act one, but when the whole thing is completed I'll edit this post to include the whole transcript as well. It's in script format and it's rough since it's just aiming to get an understanding of the mechanics of the show.

Pilot, Act I transcript
 
That's... actually well done. I always prefer to look at the actual scripts when doing research, but whenever I find transcripts they're often pretty shoddily done. Yours could nearly pass for a table draft, though. Good formatting.
 
Thanks. I'm actually a screenwriter by trade looking to submit into the ABC fellowship program - which means having to know the timing, the show's formulas and patterns, and the character's voice. Thus, I'm going through the episodes this way to try to get my brain into processing all of this information naturally. So far, I'm going to write one on episode 1, 4, and possibly 5 with one or two (possibly more) after that. I should have episode 1 completed by sometime Monday.
 
I thought I'd just post this for now. Earlier I mentioned typing up a couple episode transcripts as a guide to work off of for me to better understand the episode timing and the character's voices. The following is just act one, but when the whole thing is completed I'll edit this post to include the whole transcript as well. It's in script format and it's rough since it's just aiming to get an understanding of the mechanics of the show.

Pilot, Act I transcript
Awesome and well done, looking forward to seeing the others :)
 

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