Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 10

[nypinta]

Well, with TWS the fight at SHIELD HQ was only one day. Easy for any agents not local to miss it, and yeah, the way they did it tied it in well. Showing how what Steve did by revealing Hydra effected the agency in all their various strongholds. But for IW they're either going to have to show Coulson and Co. joining the fray somewhere or doing a time jump past it and S6 is post-Thanos's first appearance on Earth. Not knowing what's going to happen and how the movie ends will be interesting to determine what they do next season, (if they get one), because doesn't the second part come out at around the same time next year? So if the movie studio portion and the TV powers that be decided, all of next season could be a giant tie into the final Phase 3 movie. Even if it's just SHIELD having to react to a world that not only knows aliens exist but that one of the biggest and baddest is trying to kill at least half the population.

Honestly, not sure why I'm even thinking about this now. It's not like we'll know what could be until the movie comes out. haha.

 

[KevTravels]

were the writers of season 1 given an insight into The Winter Soldier because weren't their episodes revealing Hydra like literally the Wednesday after TWS debuted.

I'm wondering how closely the show will reflect Infinity War or will that come in season 6?

 

[NotNickFury]

Loeb and another writer apparently knew of it at least. Not sure about the team and cast at large. But then, Loeb loved to say 'It's all connected,' so of course he probably had an idea.

http://ew.com/article/2014/04/09/agents-of-shield-postmortem-ward/

JEFF BELL: We’ve known what Captain America: The Winter Solider was all about since we came together a year ago. And so we knew that we were doing a show called Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and that in the movie, S.H.I.E.L.D. gets blown up. And it’s full of the “H word” [Hydra.] And so we’ve been working with the studio from the get-go towards this moment.

Our challenge was that we couldn’t say the “H word” until after Captain America 2…so we had to have an ongoing threat that we’ve called Centipede, that we’ve called The Clairvoyant, that we’ve called other things, because we could not say the word Hydra.

 

[Dr. Evil]

the Clairvoyant was a big let down.

 

[Jordacar]

I just realized that season 1 had a fake clairvoyant, and...now they have a real one.

 

[karmajack]

I just realized that season 1 had a fake clairvoyant, and...now they have a real one.

Back in Season 1 / MCU Phase 1, the scope of "abilities" wasn't defined enough to include such powers. With the exception of Thor (who is actually an alien in the MCU), everyone's powers were the result of science experiments. Most of which were various attempts at recreating the Super Soldier project. At the time, they couldn't explain the origin of telekinetic, telepathic, or psychic abilities. Mostly because human mutants are off limits. Also because it would have been challenging to explain away such abilities through reality rooted science on the show. AoS didn't have MacGuffins like the Infinity Stones to explain away certain powers (Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver.) At least not til the Darkhold. Once the Inhuman gene came into play, they had liberty to be more flexible and creative with a character's abilities. That opened the door for all kinds of super human abilities.
It's actually interesting to look back on. How they started by playing things safe and somewhat believable, to what they get away with now. Which still isn't that far fetched.

 

[Random490]

Loeb and another writer apparently knew of it at least. Not sure about the team and cast at large. But then, Loeb loved to say 'It's all connected,' so of course he probably had an idea.

http://ew.com/article/2014/04/09/agents-of-shield-postmortem-ward/

I remember some asked the Russo Bros a question about how AoS connected to Winter Soldier and they said they didn't have much interaction, but did show the showrunners an early cut of the film and they all came out with long faces say "What do we do, they just destroyed the concept of out show. So I'm guess they knew there would be the Hydra conspiracy but did not know the movie was going to end SHIELD as an organization.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Will Ruby/The Kree Invasion be resolved by the end of the season or will it be carried over into season 6 & be linked to Avengers 4 or Captain Marvel in some way?

 

[Random490]

Will Ruby/The Kree Invasion be resolved by the end of the season or will it be carried over into season 6 & be linked to Avengers 4 or Captain Marvel in some way?

Probably end this season so they can do something different. But the prospects of there being a season 6 is slim and it's been said they're treating this like a series finale just in case.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Probably end this season so they can do something different. But the prospects of there being a season 6 is slim and it's been said they're treating this like a series finale just in case.

And thus it is easy to kill off a MODOK Superior before he was actually named, like they do on The Flash with an extended and not connected universe. Thus it is possible to use a giant head on a robot later

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

One week out from Avengers 3 my big picture, the long game in current Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. speak speculation. The Confederacy is indeed an anti Thanos coalition as they know what the comic's reader does about Thanos's goals and motivations. Given the the long game Earth is expendable to the Confederation.

First SHIELD saves the day the Earth is not destroyed due to the actions on TV as the season/series finale ends. However Thanos comes down right on the heels S.H.I.E.L..D.'s triumpant moment.

In Avengers 3 Infinity War we see what happens in New York and Wakanda along with the arrival of The Guardians of The Galaxy and Thor. Captain America falls at the end acting as a rear guard for something in Wakanda, what could that be? . I hope they refrain from putting either Bucky Barnes or Sam Wilson in the American flag for Avengers 4 but who knows. I haven't noticed Hawkeye or Drax, who dreams of taking out Thanos in the promotional run up so they might have an emotinally important role also.

Ant-Man and The Wasp return from their mission to find the world in turmoil from the second alien invasion. Meanwhile we get the origin of Captain Marvel and she heads towards earth as the three get ready for Avengers 4 with the Guardians, Wakandan and Avenger survivors.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

I’m kind of mad they’re having an episode next Friday. I think they should’ve taken the week off for Avengers Infinity War, mainly because I got tickets to an evening showing on Friday night and I can’t steam the episode on the ABC app until a week later. I guess I could stream it off a secondary streaming site on my laptop, but I would prefer watching it on television.

 

[KevTravels]

so was Ruby a false villain to lull us in before they revealed the real BIG BAD of the season?

or did the writers get the whole character wrong?

 

[Dr. Evil]

This season has been a miss for me. I was out on this season when they returned to Earth and was once again for the fifth straight season wanted by the Authorities. It's getting old.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

This season has been a miss for me. I was out on this season when they returned to Earth and was once again for the fifth straight season wanted by the Authorities. It's getting old.

You think Agents of SHIELD has missed the mark this season, you should check out what they’re doing on Once Upon Time (actually, don’t check it out, it’s such a mess).

 

[scarlet-witch]

This season has been a miss for me. I was out on this season when they returned to Earth and was once again for the fifth straight season wanted by the Authorities. It's getting old.

Yeah, this has been a hard pass for me since they got back on Earth, and this is coming from someone who hated the framework story too.

I feel so strangely about this show. I'm so invested in most of the characters and I want to continue watching them, but the stories have been such a let down.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, this has been a hard pass for me since they got back on Earth, and this is coming from someone who hated the framework story too.

I feel so strangely about this show. I'm so invested in most of the characters and I want to continue watching them, but the stories have been such a let down.

I feel the same, I love the characters but I've not really enjoyed this season.

 

[<(o_o)>]

so was Ruby a false villain to lull us in before they revealed the real BIG BAD of the season?

or did the writers get the whole character wrong?

Depending on how you look at it this season had about 4 villains. First Cassius in the future, then General Hale, then Ruby was supposed to be the bigger villain of the season but she was killed off before she got to do all that much villainy so now we are up to minor villain #2 General Hale sicking the Confedracy on AOS for killing her daughter. So in the end the Kree will end up being the biggest bads of the season.

 

[fire117]

This season has been a miss for me. I was out on this season when they returned to Earth and was once again for the fifth straight season wanted by the Authorities. It's getting old.

Yeah having SHIELD wanted by the authorities again is getting old. But aside from that I've liked season 5 overall.

 

[Vampfox]

To me this show is my favorite part of the MCU, and is way better than the movies.

A 22 episode Tv season allows you to developed the characters way better than a 2 hour movie.


It's sad that most people give up on this show so early cause it's so good nowadays.

 

[ludovica]

Really liking this season.
I thought Talbot with a beard looked way cool, never would have seen "that" coming though.
The Captain Crunch (ouch!) scene a few episodes ago was foreshadowing, if you know what I mean.

 

[NHawk19]

I guess the question is how do they move into season 6

Spoiler

when half the universe is turned to dust? They can't just have everyone on the team survive the snap

 

[Dark Raven]

I guess the question is how do they move into season 6

Spoiler

when half the universe is turned to dust? They can't just have everyone on the team survive the snap

Well it's not just that.

Spoiler

They can't set it after Avengers 4, as if everyone is restored. That will raise a question all season long about what happened and how Thanos was defeated.

And they can't set it before Season 5, because 5 happened immediately after 4 when they were abducted from that diner.

And all of this is happening not just on earth but throughout the universe. So Season 6 is really stuck.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Well it's not just that.

Spoiler

They can't set it after Avengers 4, as if everyone is restored. That will raise a question all season long about what happened and how Thanos was defeated.

And they can't set it before Season 5, because 5 happened immediately after 4 when they were abducted from that diner.

And all of this is happening not just on earth but throughout the universe. So Season 6 is really stuck.

I have a theory that the announcement of Coulson in Captain Marvel along with Infinity War post credits means that

Spoiler

in a post snap world being the world experts in the weird SHIELD comes back for a Director Coulson being a known face for Captain Marvel to introduce her to the group of extraordinary heroes

I still don't know how to fit the TV show into the time period between the series/season finale and the opening Friday of Avengers 4.

 

[Brawl]

So is Talbot now Gravitron?