Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 4

[Dark Raven]

Were Wards mother and father still alive? I was under the impression they were long gone and it was only Ward and his brother still living. Should've shown some kind of family reunion only for Ward to ambush them and kill them off.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Were Wards mother and father still alive? I was under the impression they were long gone and it was only Ward and his brother still living. Should've shown some kind of family reunion only for Ward to ambush them and kill them off.

Well yes, if the news report said they were murdered and the home was burned down

 

[cherokeesam]

Ward killed his father, mother and brother. The writer of that article missed quite a few details. He/she apparently didn't notice that Whitehall tortured Skye's mother to death because he was under the impression that the Doctor might have killed her. This in spite of the fact that the Doctor was seen in the flashback cradling her mutilated body and vowing revenge upon Whitehall.

It's rather surprising that so many people believe that the Doctor is Maximus. That is unlikely for a variety of reasons, not least of which being that Maximus is too important to the future Inhumans film to be used in AOS. Feige isn't likely to allow the TV division to cast such a central character and involve him in a major story. Also, Maximus has no children. Skye's presumed mother was either immortal or had an extremely long lifespan, which is a trait associated with the Eternals rather than the Inhuman race. (Some individual In humans might have long lives, however.) It will be interesting to see where the show goes with this because the Kree have recently been shown to have experimented with Eternal DNA in ancient times to create the Inhumans.

Bit of a stretch to say Skye's mom was "immortal," and thus Eternal. She didn't age after 40 years, but there's other (super) explanations for that. Age-slowing isn't the same as *never* aging. So far, there's been nothing to indicate Skye's mom was already incredibly old during WWII....afaic, Inhumans are still very much on the table.

But yeah, I agree that Kyle Maclachlan isn't playing Maximus. That character is almost certainly being saved for the Inhumans movie.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

My money is still on Hyde. it makes the most sense. We just need to hear the name Calvin or Zabo and we know

 

[cherokeesam]

My money is still on Hyde. it makes the most sense. We just need to hear the name Calvin or Zabo and we know

Maybe, but I'm not buying it yet. There's nothing to suggest that The Doctor transforms into anything else but himself, other than the "monster" metaphor that gets tossed around. Keep in mind that earlier shows were calling Skye's mom a "monster," too, and Dichen was anything but that. Alien or Inhuman, sure, but not "monster."

Also, Skye as Daisy Johnson is even more far-fetched. Skye looks and acts nothing like Daisy, doesn't have the same skill-sets or background as Daisy, and has given no indication or even foreshadowing that she's got any kind of seismic powers.

Never say never, but that's even more of a reach than Thomas Nash as The Clairvoyant.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe, but I'm not buying it yet. There's nothing to suggest that The Doctor transforms into anything else but himself, other than the "monster" metaphor that gets tossed around. Keep in mind that earlier shows were calling Skye's mom a "monster," too, and Dichen was anything but that. Alien or Inhuman, sure, but not "monster."

Also, Skye as Daisy Johnson is even more far-fetched. Skye looks and acts nothing like Daisy, doesn't have the same skill-sets or background as Daisy, and has given no indication or even foreshadowing that she's got any kind of seismic powers.

Never say never, but that's even more of a reach than Thomas Nash as The Clairvoyant.

Actually.. there's a bit to suggest it. The frequent allusions to him losing control, he has super strength, being a "doctor", and they certainly have used the word "monster" quite a bit...

Will he become a hulking beast? maybe not.. but MCU Hyde doesn't need to imo..

as for Skye, she's got Zero power sets thus far... but there's a strong theory that you need to come in contact with the Diviner (or something) in order to get abilities. Which is very much like the Terrigen mist concept.

as for news that after the fall finale... "everything changes" I think people getting powers... is that

 

[C. Lee]

Well yes, if the news report said they were murdered and the home was burned down

Did it say that...or that the bodies were found in the burned house(I don't have access to the episode at the moment)? If it was their bodies, they could have been dead in the house for years.

 

[Silvermoon]

Did it say that...or that the bodies were found in the burned house(I don't have access to the episode at the moment)? If it was their bodies, they could have been dead in the house for years.

"The bodies of Massachusetts Senator Christian Ward and both his mother and father were identified by police tonight in what appears to be a murder-suicide, a partially destroyed tape found in the fire is believed to be the Senator's confession..."

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Did it say that...or that the bodies were found in the burned house(I don't have access to the episode at the moment)? If it was their bodies, they could have been dead in the house for years.

the wiki pages said it's heavily implied ward murdered his parents and brother. then left the auto recording of his brother confessing his hatred towards his parents (at the well) was left to frame the dead senator.

I really don't see why they'd convolute it by saying the bodies were old

 

[HunBoy]

 

[ajmccarrell]

I mean no disrespect, but it seems like there's a discrepancy between the target audience the show is geared toward and the target audience you think the show is geared toward. The 9pm timeslot is your first clue that it's not going for a young audience. That's where the grown-up shows live. The 2nd is the ratings of the movies this show is spun-off from - ALL of them PG-13, which means it's recommended for teens and above.

And as far as alienating young viewers, the only demographic the network cares about in this prime time slot is the Adult 18-34 demo, because that's the only one that advertisers care about. And I can assure you, that demo as a whole has no problem with a little PG-13 level gore. In fact, a large portion of that audience doesn't just tolerate the gore, they LOVE it, considering they're the ones giving the R-rated bloody horror flicks of today all the business. The point being, there are just as many that see gore as a draw as there are that see it as a deterrent.

I think you're right to heed the ratings and preview the show for your kids. Always a good idea because they can get away with A LOT on network TV these days, and that surgery scene wasn't even a fraction of how gruesome I've seen it get on some network shows.

Your point is quite well taken. I also thank you for not getting petulant and backhanded. Your response was quite well-reasoned and it has changed my point of view on the subject matter somewhat.

MOVING ON!

I am curious about why people are exploring the Maximus the Mad angle rather than Mr. Hyde? Skyedad doesn't seem to exactly scream "royalty" to me? Maybe we're looking in the wrong place and maybe we should anticipate some twists that maybe we haven't thought of and that maybe there's more going on in the background, such as maybe Skyedad isn't really her actual "father" but the guy who experimented on her and maybe implanted her with powers? I mean, she is an 084, which would mean that she's an "object of unknown origin." I think her being the child of a Dr. and an Inhuman would mean her origin would be easy to figure out. Maybe Skyedad adopted her and she's another illegitimate child of Peter Quill's father?

 

[ajmccarrell]

My money is still on Hyde. it makes the most sense. We just need to hear the name Calvin or Zabo and we know

I would agree. I think there's a reason why we're not hearing his name and the only thing that makes sense is that his name is immediately recognizable.

 

[C. Lee]

"The bodies of Massachusetts Senator Christian Ward and both his mother and father were identified by police tonight in what appears to be a murder-suicide, a partially destroyed tape found in the fire is believed to be the Senator's confession..."

the wiki pages said it's heavily implied ward murdered his parents and brother. then left the auto recording of his brother confessing his hatred towards his parents (at the well) was left to frame the dead senator.

I really don't see why they'd convolute it by saying the bodies were old

Thanks, like I said, I didn't have access to the show and didn't remember exactly what was said.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I would be seriously let down if they were Hyde and whatshername. I'd prefer original characters over a disappointing build-up like that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Thanks, like I said, I didn't have access to the show and didn't remember exactly what was said.

It threw me too. I was under the impression that their parents were long dead already. Then the newscast and bwah...?

 

[ajmccarrell]

I would be seriously let down if they were Hyde and whatshername. I'd prefer original characters over a disappointing build-up like that.

You have to admit, this picture does look all for the world like Chloe Bennett:

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I would be seriously let down if they were Hyde and whatshername. I'd prefer original characters over a disappointing build-up like that.

????

that's crazy talk...

first people complain that there's no comic characters on the show.. then they complain if they do and want it to be a reveal??

why would an original character be an exciting reveal at all? and Marvel TV is limited on what characters they can add... and Mr Hyde and Daisy Johnson are actually somewhat popular characters. main stream, no, but not very obscure either.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You have to admit, this picture does look all for the world like Chloe Bennett:

ugh, now that would be lame... lame as all hell..

 

[ajmccarrell]

????

that's crazy talk...

first people complain that there's no comic characters on the show.. then they complain if they do and want it to be a reveal??

why would an original character be an exciting reveal at all? and Marvel TV is limited on what characters they can add... and Mr Hyde and Daisy Johnson are actually somewhat popular characters. main stream, no, but not very obscure either.

Another one I've been wondering is if maybe Skye is Medusa?

 

[ajmccarrell]

Another one I've been wondering is if maybe Skye is Medusa?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

????

that's crazy talk...

I know rite? God damn me for having an opinion.

Mr Hyde doesn't give me a nerd *****, what can I say? And you can label it "COMPLAINING" if you like whatever but I've never once said "this show needs more cb characters" so if you are determined to paint someone with that brush you'd best look elsewhere.

 

[cherokeesam]

I know rite? God damn me for having an opinion.

Mr Hyde doesn't give me a nerd *****, what can I say? And you can label it "COMPLAINING" if you like whatever but I've never once said "this show needs more cb characters" so if you are determined to paint someone with that brush you'd best look elsewhere.

I definitely prefer more comic characters and have said so from the start, and ain't ashamed to keep saying it; but yeah, Mr. Hyde and/or Quake Johnson don't give me a nerd *****, either.

Whoever they turn out to be, original or comic-canon, I have no doubt that we're looking at more cosmic origins than down-to-earth ones. Skye is definitely half-Inhuman (or whatever Moms turns out to be....definitely not ordinary human), and I suspect that The Doctor is an offworlder who has a deep-seated animosity towards Kree.

 

[Demileto]

It's rather surprising that so many people believe that the Doctor is Maximus. That is unlikely for a variety of reasons, not least of which being that Maximus is too important to the future Inhumans film to be used in AOS. Feige isn't likely to allow the TV division to cast such a central character and involve him in a major story. Also, Maximus has no children. Skye's presumed mother was either immortal or had an extremely long lifespan, which is a trait associated with the Eternals rather than the Inhuman race. (Some individual In humans might have long lives, however.) It will be interesting to see where the show goes with this because the Kree have recently been shown to have experimented with Eternal DNA in ancient times to create the Inhumans.

While you do have some fair points in your rationale, I have to disagree with the bolded part being one. Sons and daughters previously unknown are often retconned in the lives of heroes and villains we don't see often by writers. Daisy Johnson herself is an example of this: there wasn't a single hint of Mr Hyde being a father from his creation in 1963 to Daisy's in 2004.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I know rite? God damn me for having an opinion.

Mr Hyde doesn't give me a nerd *****, what can I say? And you can label it "COMPLAINING" if you like whatever but I've never once said "this show needs more cb characters" so if you are determined to paint someone with that brush you'd best look elsewhere.

Lol. I was being a we bit sarcastic. We all know alot complained about that.

 

[Intouch]

Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Writers Tease "Nothing WIll Be The Same" 1

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• By Andrew Steinbeiser 11/21/2014

A huge shake-up is headed to Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and it’s coming much sooner than most may think.
Executive Producer Maurissa Tancharoen let it slip that “After the midseason finale, things will never be the same again…” in an interview with Entertainment Weekly. Her discussion, along with fellow executive producer Jed Whedon, covered most of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s second season so far. While the executive producers provided some extra context to prior happenings, they also offered another tease or two for the episodes ahead.
Chief among them: Viewers will finally learn Skye’s real name, which is still a mystery, much sooner than they are expecting. Also, Fitz, who fried his brain through hypoxia/anoxia during the Season One finale, will be extremely tempted to restore his mind with the powerful memory machine. While the machine helped Agent Coulson reclaim his normal personality, the process was an extremely painful and trying one.
It will be interesting to see what “big changes” Tanchareon may be referring to. It could just be hype. But, the show is known to pull 180s, like it did with Hydra following Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Maybe Coulson and his team will stumble upon the hidden city, or encounter some members of the Kree? Those would certainly be game-changers.
Of course, everyone’s just counting the days now until an Inhuman shows up. Viewers will get their answers soon enough, though. The midseason finale, “Ye Who Enter Here,” airs on December 2nd after taking a bye week during the week of Thanksgiving.