Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 8

[Corwin]

It's a shame, man. If only this show didn't drop the ball so early in season one. This show has such a strong premise but they completely mishandled it in the beginning. I maintain that from the beginning this show needed to be about actual S.H.I.E.L.D. agents doing what they do and focus more on tactical, espionage action. Basically, it should have been Marvel's version of Strike Back ( a great show on Cinemax) or '24'. I think the overly light and joke tone, coupled with the episodic nature of the episode just didn't give people a compelling reason to care about these characters or the story, unfortunately. They should have had characters like Mack, Bobbie and Hunter there from day one and tell a more serialized story to hook people.

Oh well, its a shame, because the show has come a long way.

My only complaint about the show is the critics.
I've been on board from day one.
Each episode is a gift.
In what world have we ever seen the Marvel Universe portrayed on such a worldwide scale, in a weekly format?

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

New timeslot next season : Tuesday 10 pm.
http://tvline.com/2016/05/17/abc-fall-tv-schedule-2016-scandal-season-6-midseason-delayed/

Can't they just refactor it a little and move to Netflix?

 

[RedPhoenix15]

New member but I have lurked here for a number of years.

I know a time slot switch such as this is often looked at as a really bad sign, especially if you couple it with the Most Wanted and Agent Carter news. However, if you read the statements from ABC that accompanied this news it stated they are in extensive conversations with Marvel on other TV projects and that moving to 10PM had little to do with the show and more to do with them wanting a comedy block on Tuesday in addition to Wednesday night. This actually could help the show in that it has more creative freedom at 10PM and the expectations are much lower at 10PM in terms of ratings than 9:00PM. The timeslot competition is also pretty much nonexistant.

It's funny because 10PM used to be a good time slot and still can be. NYPD Blue was in that slot on Tuesdays for years and did great. ER did great on Thursdays at 10PM. Many of the most beloved dramas of all-time were 10PM shows. I may be wrong but I think NBC stuck Chicago Fire in the 10:00PM slot and it surprised them with how good it did and now it's one of their cornerstones on the schedule. Really, it's all about your lead in too and they are putting a few established comedies on Tuesday so maybe that will help.

The thing is that Agents of Shield always has done better with DVR numbers anyway. It's regularly one of the top gainers in DVR viewings. That is key and I think that is what got them the season 3 renewal. That fact also bodes well for it to move to Netflix. It may even be better off on Netflix since so many seem to like watching it later on anyway. I know alot of people that enjoy binge watching it on Netflix once the whole season is up. The fact it's never done well in terms of live+same day viewing means that the time slot likely doesn't matter much at this point anyway if most are just watching it later on. That is why all the hoopla over it being on too late and teens not being able to watch it is just ridiculous IMO. Anyone who wants to watch in this day and age can find a way to watch or will watch if they like. That is what DVR's are for.

We'll see what happens but I do hope they take advantage of this. They can adopt a more gritty tone like the NetFlix shows. Maybe that is the plan. The show did go darker starting in season 2 but it can still go a bit further.

 

[Endeavor]

Welcome to the forum Phoenix

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i don't think any time slots honestly matter anymore as long as a show is good... Friday Nights and Saturdays being the only big death days... if a show is good people will watch it the day its on.

 

[Leenie]

So, I love Marvel Studios. I really do; haven't said anything around these boards to make people think otherwise. Totally a Marvel fangirl.

That said, Agents of SHIELD just doesn't do it for me. The very start of this series was kind of a chore to get through ... Then it got interesting near the end of the first season. Then it lagged again, then it got awesome when the show was following release of The Winter Soldier, and then it took a huge dive by the time Age of Ultron was out. I haven't been interested since. I started to watch this latest season, but I am definitely behind now, and I don't really care. :\

In my mind, Agent Coulson is still very much dead.

If this got canceled, I can't say that I would miss it. I'm much more disappointed about Agent Carter being canceled (even though I think the second season was very lackluster; still love that first season though). I'd much rather have another mediocre season of Agent Carter than watch more Agents of SHIELD. Hate to say that, but ... Eh, that's what I think.

 

[RedPhoenix15]

Fridays aren't even that bad.

NBC sent Grimm there and it's been there for a few years. ABC stuck Last Man Standing on there and it's still there. Networks have slowly realized that the landscape has changed and ratings will not be what they once were because there are just too many things out there to watch and too many ways to watch them. I hardly know anyone that watches shows LIVE, at least not regularly.

Ideally, you want to try to get more people to watch shows LIVE or on the same day they air but that is a pipe dream. I think this move could work, especially if whatever leads into Shield does well. The finale tonight could also help ratings in the Fall, especially if there is a cliffhanger. Shield has always done better ratings-wise in the Fall, anyway. Spring is horrible for primetime TV ratings on the networks. Look at the numbers for every show in the Spring and they all seem to drop off. They just need to develop strong stories for next year. This year was good but I felt like they took way too long to get things going in the early part of the second half of the season. It took to episode 15 for things to really start coming together. That is just too long. Contrast that with season 2 and even season 1 where things were coming together right from the midseason premiere.

 

[Marvel Knight]

Well. That's basically it.

SHIELD is getting cancelled next season. The 10PM timeslot won't hold up with the demos.

ABC/Marvel are making the right move here.

In the post Marvel Netflix era, the network TV Marvel shows don't make sense anymore.

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

Well. That's basically it.

SHIELD is getting cancelled next season. The 10PM timeslot won't hold up with the demos.

ABC/Marvel are making the right move here.

In the post Marvel Netflix era, the network TV Marvel shows don't make sense anymore.

While it looks like the end, it doesn't have to be.

There are 22 episodes in season for to make a case for being either extended or moved to Netflix.

22 episodes to get the tone and story lines that can work on a Netflix series


Of course the 22 episodes could just be for syndication. If so what not say a 4th and final season?

 

[Mike Murdock]

New timeslot next season : Tuesday 10 pm.
http://tvline.com/2016/05/17/abc-fall-tv-schedule-2016-scandal-season-6-midseason-delayed/

Yuck. Just from a personal perspective, I hate this. I have to get up fairly early for work. I'm not sure I can watch AoS at 10. Also, what's with the awful lead ins? I guess at this point they simply don't care, but I never got that programming in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, with shows opening on other channels, having free time on Tuesdays might not be a bad thing, I just wish it got five seasons instead of four.

 

[terry78]

If it means some of the cast gets integrated into the MCU, fine.

 

[bes628]

Agents of Shield failed because its a superhero show with no damn Super-Hero's.

 

[Vartha]

New timeslot next season : Tuesday 10 pm.
http://tvline.com/2016/05/17/abc-fall-tv-schedule-2016-scandal-season-6-midseason-delayed/

I'm assuming that's an eastern Time schedule. HERE the news is on at 10pm and I see there isn't a 7pm slot which we have. 9pm to me isn't bad, tho I'd still be at work on tuesday at that time

 

[Mike Murdock]

Agents of Shield failed because its a superhero show with no damn Super-Hero's.

First off, it's a comic book spy show with spy stuff. They never promised it would be a superhero show. Second off, do the Secret Warriors count as superheroes? They're comic book characters with powers but they aren't promoted as superheroes even in the comics.

 

[Vartha]

Agents of Shield failed because its a superhero show with no damn Super-Hero's.

....it's NOT a superhero show. Comics never were either really

 

[Zarex]

I wonder if Marvel and ABC can lump AOS and AC together for syndication purposes. That will get them to 108 episodes of SHIELD TV by 2017.

The regime change at ABC doesn't bode well for future Marvel projects on ABC, and Powerless could be the last superhero project on a Big Four network for a while. If Cloak and Dagger does well I'd love to see Runaways, but Feige may be holding that in his pocket for post Infinity War.

 

[bes628]

First off, it's a comic book spy show with spy stuff. They never promised it would be a superhero show. Second off, do the Secret Warriors count as superheroes? They're comic book characters with powers but they aren't promoted as superheroes even in the comics.

Im going to apologize in advance, as this is pretty good weed, and I might be rambling but


Sure its a spy show that exist in a world with "Super-Hero" in them, people don't give a ***** about the regular shield guys, Only the really cool ones. Black Widow, Hawkeye is one thing...but I personally think you were always gonna have a hard time getting people to buy in to following along with Regular people at the end of the day.

Secret Warriors, some of them are kind of lame. Daisy is really the only one who could probably carry a show. But then they should have just made that show since the beginning imo.

....it's NOT a superhero show. Comics never were either really

Well it struggled out the gate for a reason, but it definitely became a super-hero show when they started introducing people with powers imo. Nobody cares to see random shield agents take down Whirlwind, or Crusher Creel when you could have introduced one of the hundreds of potential "super-hero" characters to handle that.

IMO they played themselves.

 

[Marvel Knight]

While it looks like the end, it doesn't have to be.

There are 22 episodes in season for to make a case for being either extended or moved to Netflix.

22 episodes to get the tone and story lines that can work on a Netflix series


Of course the 22 episodes could just be for syndication. If so what not say a 4th and final season?

They won't move this to Netflix. This show wasn't designed for Netflix.

Marvel has it's own Netflix lineup already of shows specifically designed for that network, that will all sync together.

Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher and Defenders.


They've already got enough shows.


They aren't going to force a failed network show on there, with a minimal audience. It would corrupt their netflix brand.

 

[Marvel Knight]

If it means some of the cast gets integrated into the MCU, fine.

Haha. They won't be. After the Feige/Perlmutter split. AOS might as well kill off it's cast during the final season.

None of the will appear on film to confuse audiences. The audience for this show was too small to justify that.

Better chance of the Netflix heroes making it on screen.

 

[OB12]

They won't move this to Netflix. This show wasn't designed for Netflix.

Marvel has it's own Netflix lineup already of shows specifically designed for that network, that will all sync together.

Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher and Defenders.


They've already got enough shows.


They aren't going to force a failed network show on there, with a minimal audience. It would corrupt their netflix brand.

I don't buy this at all. Because The Defender series are on Netflix, AoS can't be? Netflix can't have multiple Marvel shows? You do know that it already is available on Netflix right?

 

[Heretic]

If AoS moved to Netflix, it would be reasonable to assume that fewer people would watch it (pretty much everyone has ABC, whether they have Netflix or not). Plus...there is reason to assume that people who did try it again on a new platform may give up mid-binge. There's no reason to damage what they are doing by taking a risk on something that isn't working.

 

[OB12]

I'm not saying it should, but AoS would in no way damage the Marvel Netflix brand. Personally, I'd like to see if they could transition it into a different show if possible. I like having the weekly show.

 

[Heretic]

If they announced AoS for Netflix...the general response would be "Who cares? Why? Guess I'll be skipping the binge on that one." The show is viewed as a failure (despite 3 seasons and a renewal)...and no one wants to be associated with failure.

Personally, I want a yearly event series that doesn't have to carry on indefinitely.

 

[Marvel Knight]

I don't buy this at all. Because The Defender series are on Netflix, AoS can't be? Netflix can't have multiple Marvel shows? You do know that it already is available on Netflix right?

The Marvel Netflix deal involves a specific group of shows that link together.

It's the gritty Hell's Kitchen shows.


Each show focuses on a specific superhero that will join the Defenders (or perhaps The Thunderbolts during Phase 2).


Shield isn't part of that and it doesn't fit with the vision of Marvel Netflix. Everything about the show reeks of ABC. It's not worth completely retooling a show that has already failed to build a fanbase.

 

[Dr. Evil]

When AoS ends their run, I don't think we'll see any of the characters in the movies.