Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 8

[KingCheops]

the Sokovian Accords deal with THE AVENGERS as an organization. it's effecting only THE AVENGERS which is a team...

random people with powers and random costume vigilantes, are not AVENGERS... nor do they have anything to do with the events that occur in the AVENGERS films...

it's like a police department getting checked in on and ordered to go along with what the government wants.. and not go full marshal law and do what they want.

But the point is that the Avengers are pretty much chump change. It wasn't the Avengers that caused wholesale destruction in Sokovia it was unfettered technology from Stark and Banner that caused it. When it comes to controlling world shaking events who are you worried about:

The guy with a fancy shield and super strength
The lady who can literally bring a mountain down on you

 

[Silvermoon]

In regards to what Markus and McFeely said regarding AOS and Civil War, I'm going to put what I posted on IMDb (yes, IMDb) regarding their quotes...

Given what was said (and reading Collider's transcript of the set visit), I think this simply highlights the main problem when it comes to the films referencing the tv shows and why they haven't been able to have it happen yet: the differential in production time between the two mediums (film vs tv).

The scripts for the films can start getting worked on years in advance before the film is slated to be released (I believe Markus and McFeely started working on the Civil War script in late 2013? - so season 1 of Agents of SHIELD was only just starting while they were working on a film that wasn't going to come out until near the end of Season 3).

Conversely, the turnaround time on a standard 22 episode tv show is much smaller. Episodes and scripts for later in season "x" are still being written and filmed even after the season has already started airing (a large reason tv shows will often take breaks during the course of the season is so they can 'catch up' on production/give themselves a buffer zone to work with).

So it's much more difficult for the film side to incorporate content into their script(s) when - as they get closer to filming the movie and have to start locking stuff down - that content from the tv show may not have even been written yet (or may not even be a solidified idea yet in the minds of the tv shows showrunners).

When Civil War started filming (and so the script was probably pretty finalized aside from a few tweaks here or there), Agents of SHIELD hadn't even been renewed for Season 3 yet.

Finally, remember that the set visits happened last year (I believe in July), so they still had a month of filming to do, not to mention the reshoots that happened in January-February. There's always the *possibility* that something could have been added in after they gave those interviews (but then again, perhaps not). We won't know for sure until the film comes out.

That's my take on it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I haven't had time to read the entire document - it's over 300 freakin' pages! - so I'm not certain what is included and what is left out of the Sokovian Accords. But according to AOS the world is freaking out over the increase in powered peoples. For that conversation to not bleed into the negotiations involving the MCU big screen super team seems extremely unlikely, and gives the appearance of there being two completely separate worlds.

eh not completely... as i said, the government is going after the organized team.. aka the Avengers..

it wouldn't be a stretch to just say they're also making them the poster children for what to do with powered people. and letting them be the example.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But the point is that the Avengers are pretty much chump change. It wasn't the Avengers that caused wholesale destruction in Sokovia it was unfettered technology from Stark and Banner that caused it. When it comes to controlling world shaking events who are you worried about:

The guy with a fancy shield and super strength
The lady who can literally bring a mountain down on you

regardless of how many avengers created ultron... 2, or all of them.. it still has the Avengers name lumped onto it. and thus it will be viewed as the Avengers fault.

I mean, look at Sokovia anyway.. graffiti and what not prior to the events of ultron, clearly showed they were not a fan of the team.

 

[Vartha]

regardless of how many avengers created ultron... 2, or all of them.. it still has the Avengers name lumped onto it. and thus it will be viewed as the Avengers fault.

I mean, look at Sokovia anyway.. graffiti and what not prior to the events of ultron, clearly showed they were not a fan of the team.

Hydra could have had a hand in WHY the people of Sokkovia hated the Avengers for that matter. Hydra could have easily mislead them

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hydra could have had a hand in WHY the people of Sokkovia hated the Avengers for that matter. Hydra could have easily mislead them

Well based on what we know from the news reports in Avengers, and rhe netflix shows the world has been pretty split on their views of the avengers.

Hydra could have had a hand. But there will always be those who oppose people who oppose authority and marshal law

 

[Dr. Evil]

HYDRA is starting to get real old real fast.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Shield will always be tied to hydra... they go together like peanut butter and jelly

 

[wobbly]

Curious at to who ends up being on that Quinjet in space (and what that's gonna be all about). Going by the floating crucifix I'd guess Yo-Yo will be one (her crucifix was shown quite prominently in the ep).

 

[Dr Lee]

Curious at to who ends up being on that Quinjet in space (and what that's gonna be all about). Going by the floating crucifix I'd guess Yo-Yo will be one (her crucifix was shown quite prominently in the ep).

Too obvious... I think she gives it to the poor sod is that ends up there as a 'May God protect you' gesture...

 

[wobbly]

Too obvious... I think she gives it to the poor sod is that ends up there as a 'May God protect you' gesture...

True. It was a little on the nose given they focused on the crucifix first when she appeared soon after that '3 months from now' bit. Might well be Mac who gets stuck up there.

 

[DN91]

Crazy Theory Time: What if it's Phil up on that ship, there only as a last-ditch measure to stop Hive once and for all?

 

[OB12]

In regards to what Markus and McFeely said regarding AOS and Civil War, I'm going to put what I posted on IMDb (yes, IMDb) regarding their quotes...

Given what was said (and reading Collider's transcript of the set visit), I think this simply highlights the main problem when it comes to the films referencing the tv shows and why they haven't been able to have it happen yet: the differential in production time between the two mediums (film vs tv).

The scripts for the films can start getting worked on years in advance before the film is slated to be released (I believe Markus and McFeely started working on the Civil War script in late 2013? - so season 1 of Agents of SHIELD was only just starting while they were working on a film that wasn't going to come out until near the end of Season 3).

Conversely, the turnaround time on a standard 22 episode tv show is much smaller. Episodes and scripts for later in season "x" are still being written and filmed even after the season has already started airing (a large reason tv shows will often take breaks during the course of the season is so they can 'catch up' on production/give themselves a buffer zone to work with).

So it's much more difficult for the film side to incorporate content into their script(s) when - as they get closer to filming the movie and have to start locking stuff down - that content from the tv show may not have even been written yet (or may not even be a solidified idea yet in the minds of the tv shows showrunners).

When Civil War started filming (and so the script was probably pretty finalized aside from a few tweaks here or there), Agents of SHIELD hadn't even been renewed for Season 3 yet.

Finally, remember that the set visits happened last year (I believe in July), so they still had a month of filming to do, not to mention the reshoots that happened in January-February. There's always the *possibility* that something could have been added in after they gave those interviews (but then again, perhaps not). We won't know for sure until the film comes out.

That's my take on it.

I think you are 100% spot on. I wish it were different, but logistically it just seems very difficult for anything to flow from TV to film. If the films wanted to use someone like Quake, the writers would have to let the showrunners know well in advance so that they could make sure that Quake is in a position in the episode prior to the film premier to be able to make that appearance seamlessly. It is not impossible to do, but certainly difficult.

What they could do is use characters that are not currently in a storyline. Supporting characters like Gen. Talbot or Ian Quinn could easily be worked into small roles in the films and make the two sides feel more connected.

 

[Dark Raven]

Absorbing Man could've crossed over, as could General Talbot.

 

[zenith16]

IGNORE doesn't seem like the correct phrase.. more like "not acknowledge it" is a better phrase

yep it is the better way say it. It's also possible since they were asked that .

They may hint at it as mention. but it's not the focus of civil war. ut it could be use that while tony and cap are caught up with their personal issue with each other like tony wanting to be more responsible and cap want to save his good buddy Bucky and what ever resentment he has for tony over the ultron event.


There are other problems that are under their noise cause they are caught in those personal issues. kinda like in the books where when they always at each others throats, the villain's are ether free to do what they want or are weirdly saving the world from threats(like aliens) the avengers should be saving people from cause the avengers are busy with inner fights among them selves . Actually that would be funny if the latter happened with in the movie.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Characters that could probably be put in movies without too much trouble in making the show and movie match up:

Mike Peterson/Deathlok
Ian Quinn
Anne Weaver
Glenn Talbot
The Koenig brothers
Lorelei (as a prisoner in Thor Ragnarok?)

Plus, if they ever do Thunderbolts/Masters of Evil and they want to add some members that have not previously appeared in the movies, they could pick characters that have not yet been used, or they could pick the following characters as (minor) members:

Donnie Gill/Blizzard
Carl Creel/Absorbing Man
Marcus Scarlotti
David A. Angar

 

[Dark Raven]

Deathlok would need a major upgrade if he were to transition to the movies. Even though he's moved slightly away from his Laser Tag appearance, he still seems like a TV hero.

 

[darthcoolness3]

It is too bad that Disney and Marvel Studios is forcing the directors and writers for their movies to ignore Agents of SHIELD, because Captain America: Civil War would be crazy with Hive, Inhumans and Coulson's team mixed in with the action.

 

[fixxxer]

In regards to what Markus and McFeely said regarding AOS and Civil War, I'm going to put what I posted on IMDb (yes, IMDb) regarding their quotes...

Given what was said (and reading Collider's transcript of the set visit), I think this simply highlights the main problem when it comes to the films referencing the tv shows and why they haven't been able to have it happen yet: the differential in production time between the two mediums (film vs tv).

The scripts for the films can start getting worked on years in advance before the film is slated to be released (I believe Markus and McFeely started working on the Civil War script in late 2013? - so season 1 of Agents of SHIELD was only just starting while they were working on a film that wasn't going to come out until near the end of Season 3).

Conversely, the turnaround time on a standard 22 episode tv show is much smaller. Episodes and scripts for later in season "x" are still being written and filmed even after the season has already started airing (a large reason tv shows will often take breaks during the course of the season is so they can 'catch up' on production/give themselves a buffer zone to work with).

So it's much more difficult for the film side to incorporate content into their script(s) when - as they get closer to filming the movie and have to start locking stuff down - that content from the tv show may not have even been written yet (or may not even be a solidified idea yet in the minds of the tv shows showrunners).

When Civil War started filming (and so the script was probably pretty finalized aside from a few tweaks here or there), Agents of SHIELD hadn't even been renewed for Season 3 yet.

Finally, remember that the set visits happened last year (I believe in July), so they still had a month of filming to do, not to mention the reshoots that happened in January-February. There's always the *possibility* that something could have been added in after they gave those interviews (but then again, perhaps not). We won't know for sure until the film comes out.

That's my take on it.

A very well reasoned, coherent, persuasive argument. However, I'm not buying it... not a 100%.

All of that makes sense if we're clamoring for shared plot threads weaving in and out of the movies and AOS, etc. That would be near impossible, logistically and practically.

Instead, what we're calling for is merely acknowledgement. I'm talking about the odd line of dialogue here and there. For example...

Thunderbolt saying "There are reports, albeit unconfirmed, of enhanced bozos popping up everywhere. It all starts with you 'Avengers' falling in line."

Put Patton Oswalt on the damn Helicarrier in Sokovia and get him to say a funny line! That's all it would've taken. The fact that he is/was (depending on context) a SHIELD agent would be 100% implicit and wouldn't require explanation at all.

I could go on...

My point is that throwing out small references and acknowledgements to the TV side of things could work easily without turning off the "movie only" watchers. It would just take a little bit of effort. The frustrating thing to me is that Marvel Studios (the film side) doesn't seem to want to take even that little bit of effort to continue to enhance their already sprawling, cohesive universe that generates soooo much excitement for us fans.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think SHIELD agents could've cameoed in the movies just in the background instead of having random agents. For instance, in Age of Ultron, when SHIELD arrived as backup, they could've had a few of them there. It doesn't really matter what they are actually doing in the show at the time when the movie is shot. It's up to the TV show to then find an explanation as to why they are off helping in the movies, which they usually have no problem doing (eg Sitwell heading to the ship for Winter Soldier).

 

[DN91]

S3E14 synopsis

Spoiler

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/03/agents-of-shield-episode-314-watchdogs.html

 

[ZIPBAGS]

I am sure this has been discussed. But, I wish AOS would at least make a mention of Daredevil. Not saying he has to appear. But, with their hunt for Inhumans. You would think he would pique their interest.

Also, in Age of Ultron Fury gets a helicarrier out of mothballs. Would be nice if AOS would reference or show it.

 

[DN91]

I am sure this has been discussed. But, I wish AOS would at least make a mention of Daredevil. Not saying he has to appear. But, with their hunt for Inhumans. You would think he would pique their interest.

Also, in Age of Ultron Fury gets a helicarrier out of mothballs. Would be nice if AOS would reference or show it.

They did in the episode that aired immediately the week after AoU's release, revealing that Fury's helicarrier was being kept in storage by Coulson as part of the Theta Protocol.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

DN91...Thanks. I must have missed that.

 

[darthcoolness3]

looks like Lincoln has anger problems, according to the clip that was released for the next episode of Agents of Shield.