Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

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You said that she saw he wasnt human as if it was a fact estabished on the show .
No such fact has been established .
 
I know the Captain Marvel theory probably still sounds crazy, but you know how Rick Jones could kinda switch bodies with Captain Marvel through the negative zone, and the nega bands, and one always had to stay in the negative Zone?
Also how Phil Lawson from Earth's mightiest heroes, i think it was, turned out to be Captain Marvel.

Well...some have commented that certain Captain Marvel/space symbolism was flashed across the screen...Gregg said he was inhuman, but wouldn't give it entirely away like that, this might not be too far off, tho.
Coulson is in a sort of purgatory or Limbo for a while after his quantum field left his body, and didn't cross over to the light yet. The sun/stars/image of a light had to be above him in all the images. Even Tahiti had a sun shining down on him.

Maybe Mar-vell's subconscious mind actually wants to live, unlike coulson's, but it's also trapped in a state between life and death... and is associated with that flash of the light. If you cross through the light/sun or into the stars to reach Valhalla or whatever, your energy will be gone/harder to get back into a body....and Shield combined them, to help trick Coulson's mind into wanting to breathe in the end...
Mar-vell's subconsciousness keeps his own body alive in the coma state, because it is active in the negative zone right now, regulating breathing of his own body..and all Shield must do is feed it/take care of it.

Things like heartbeat and breathing are controlled by parts of the brain automatically. The conscious mind doesn't think about breathing, or what the other side is doing. When we sleep other parts of our brains are still operating automatically, and handle things.

Eventually Shield discovers more about the negabands. Then Coulson has the ability to switch between his human from and Mar-vell at will. Which gives us the best of both worlds -- a huge reveal, and he's still Coulson at least half the time. Mar-vell has to take over some of his involuntary reflexes, like when he hopped the van door. They wanted the real Coulson back, but don't want him to know he's had a lot more "one on one time with Aliens" than he thinks. His subconscious can already read the Skrull language, and recognizes it as alien.

Although I don't know exactly how everything would line up...

Maybe if Coulson's subconsciousness drifts towards the light, it leaves purgatory/Limbo, and they lose their chance of getting his full mind back.
His consciousness is back and he's awake during the operation, but that's not the problem... Everytime they bring his subconcious back it wants to die, knows its dead, figures out what's going on with the other side, and tries to leave.
This makes his breathing stop.

Raina has already seen what happens when he finds out his brain has been re-grown and his breathing stops... Mar-vell's unconscious mind (fueled by a will to get out of the coma...) takes over the breathing for Coulson's body. Eventually the nega bands allow them to switch places completely, for periods of time.

Fury needs info from the Kree's waking mind, but also sees Coulson almost as a son after Coulson's parents were killed, and won't let him die...
 
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I don't think the starburst that flashed on the screen had anything at all to do with Captain Mar Vell or the Kree.

You know what looked even more like Mar Vell's starbust pattern? The insignia on Malekith's chest plate. But that doesn't mean that anyone (to my knowledge) ever thought that Malekith was Mar Vell, or Yon Rogg, or Kree.
 
There's a lot more to my theory than the sun thing, it involves us all "creating our own demons" and the chemical reaction that happens in the mind during death or near-death situations, which can "seem" to last a life time, and involves visions of the light.

Everyone would have their own perceptions and theories about what's on the other side of suns/the light/ the blackhole/whitehole connections etc...Malakith saw the light from the darkness at the beginning of the universe, and learned that there were other planets. Before Light entered the universe there was only darkness and Malakith thought his kind were alone. He sought to conquer the others when light began to shine on the dark world. So Malakith would have associations to the light and darkness...Coulson mentioned seeing only "darkness" at one point.

What we call the light, or darkness, or hel, during these death experiences could be our perception of energy moving into a sun or blackhole. Few people ever cross over and make it back to tell us what it really is, but even then it is shaded by their perceptions, Magic is science and Valhalla is just what Asgardians call it...But I don't wanna type it all out. It get's complicated, it involves why the filmmakers said the Dark Elves used blackhole tech to power their crafts.

At any rate, the very fact he is conscious, has a brain, needs to be breathing, has a heart rate, and they want him to be real Coulson, should mean that he's at least a very special LMD. I think the LMD theory is actually off the table already, and only a red herring.

It's gotta be something much bigger than that, imo.
 
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For those of you out there with Windows 8, there is a free app For Agents of SHIELD in the app store. :D
 
TRM what do you mean about SHIELD and the negabands? Are you saying they've already been shown to exist in the MCU or you're just talking hypotheticals?
 
Did I understand that Raina had come back to life too? is that why the machine worked on her too?
 
Did I understand that Raina had come back to life too? is that why the machine worked on her too?
that one machine makes/helps you RECALL covered memories. Apparently she used it at one time.
 
TRM what do you mean about SHIELD and the negabands? Are you saying they've already been shown to exist in the MCU or you're just talking hypotheticals?
there WAS a Wrist band shown in this last episode. I thought it was Chituari, but I guess it COULD be Kree.
 
For all anyone know, Marvel could have paid for the rights to that artwork or hired the artist. However it shakes out, it's such a minor issue that it doesn't deserve the screaming headlines it's getting on geek sites.
 
I suspect nerds are getting moist over the idea of watching a Disney/EA fight more than anything. It seems pretty mundane to me.
 
there WAS a Wrist band shown in this last episode. I thought it was Chituari, but I guess it COULD be Kree.

You mean what the guy was selling to Centipede in the beginning of the episode? No, he clearly said it was Chitauri.
 
TRM what do you mean about SHIELD and the negabands? Are you saying they've already been shown to exist in the MCU or you're just talking hypotheticals?

I'm actually thinking the bands Coulson gave Skye would eventually be re-programmed and joined with the Kree tech.

Coulson said something like they can be set to do whatever Coulson wants them to do, when Skye asked what they do. In my theory he's taken the bands back now because they will be joined to some other tech to do something else.

Allowing him to switch bodies with the half-alive Mar-vell through the Negative Zone, sort of like Rick Jones.

Negative Zone, Limbo, and certain parts of Kang's story/ability to become other characters (like Immortus) might be extremely dark areas that all 3 film studios are prepared to share.
Feige was executive producer on Amazing Spiderman, so Marvel had some talks with them about a few things when the Oscorp tower was gonna maybe show up in Avengers...In a recent Spider man viral it was revealed that Conners went to Ryker island. There could be a few interesting name drops and location drops in that one-shot with Trevor, that suddenly means things are about to get a lot more interesting, and there are many worlds to go to that those extra 14 minutes set-up. "Trevor" could be actually trying to make his way into the Vault from Seagate. Some prisoners know or have heard rumors there are portals to the negative Zone/Prison 42 there..
 
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No dude, remember he put one of those on Skye's ex as well and set him off otherwise unsupervised. It doesn't make any sense that they'd give that guy anything as valuable as an object of alien origin.
 
I'm thinking the humans built them but they get re-purposed and joined to the real Kree ones Mar-vell wears while drifting through the negative zone.

So that when they switch, they shapeshift into the real ones, and coulson's genetic memory is replaced by Mar-vell (they switch physical places like Rick Jones and Marvel did, or like Immortus and Space Phantoms steal bodies from Limbo..). Side-note: i think the shape-shifting stuff's all connected, there are different ways to shape-shift, and the way Loki shapeshifts/steals Odin's actual body is a fairly easy trick learned from Frigga's book.

The ones Coulson carries would form the link to the real ones while they're in negative zone, but while in Negative Zone Mar-vell is able to "drift" to other worlds in the quantum realms. It just keeps them in contact, should he need to see what the other side is doing, force the switch, or shutdown access to technology in cyberspace while doing his part in fighting Ultron.
 
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I liked the last ep, the effects on the jet's 180 and that machine diddling Coulson's brain were pretty good., and I guessed straight away why May wanted Skye off the plane, seriously Ward, keep up GQ!
 
Of f***k! Another stop in Jenuary 21?! WHY!?

Is it by the same people responsible for messing around with the showing times of Young Justice and the animated version of Green Lantern series?
 
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