Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 8

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The faceplate for Deathlok is "an insigifnicant detail that certain people just obsess the Hell over."

Look your both wrong yet we'll be more likely to get a faceplate then to have Hemsworth wear the helmet for a long time.
But you originally said that an improper interpretation isn't as important because it is of an obscure character versus a prominent character.
I honestly think that if the MCU is great just because it usually makes a good attempt at respecting their heroes, and honestly to the average person who never read a comic book the interpretation of Thor is just as unimportant as that of Deathlok, so Marvel should try to stick to what made the characters work in the first place or not bother.


He still looks a bit too "laser tag-ish" to me. That chest plate needs to go.

I can't understand why they complicated the chest plate as much as they did, looking at it you figure simplicity would have worked out better.
I'm hoping he somehow ends up in Wakanda in the future and ends up having a tech and look upgrade, sort of like in the comics.
 
Hello guys, I attended the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Paleyfest panel today, where they screened the new episode "The End of the Beginning." I wrote up a summary of the episode on Reddit and now I'll give you guys the hookup. Please do not read this unless you want the identity of the Clairvoyant spoiled for you!!!

[blackout]
Victoria Hand is the Clairvoyant.


Here's what happens in the episode.


Garrett and Triplett are at a safehouse. Deathlok attacks and they manage to fend him off.


The bus lands on an aircraft carrier. Victoria Hand, Blake, and Sitwell board. Coulson says they went through S.H.I.E.L.D.'s files on possible psychics even though none officially exist, and determine 13 possible Clairvoyant candidates. Skye is made a full agent so she can participate. They decide to pair off and investigate each target seperately. Sitwell gets recalled and sent to a ship which gets hijacked at the beginning of CA:TWS.


Coulson and Garrett investigate one target, Ward and Triplett investigate a second, May and Blake investigate a third, a crippled man in a nursing home. Deathlok is sent a new toy, an arm cannon thing. At the nursing home, Deathlok attacks May and Blake. Blake gets the **** kicked out of him and is put in critical condition but May is unscathed. On the bus, they realize Blake put a tracker on Deathlok. Simmons gets herself transferred to the Triskelion to try and analyze Skye's blood.


A big team attacks the location of Deathlok, who flees. Coulson, Ward, and Garrett encounter the man in the wheelchair who communicates through a voice thing like Stephen Hawking. He says they want Skye and will kill her to extract her secrets. Ward shoots him to death.


On the bus, Coulson is unconvinced that was the real Clairvoyant. He and Skye realize all his inside information could have been gained from inside S.H.I.E.L.D. Coulson starts interrogating Ward, demanding to know why he killed the man. Meanwhile, Fitz discovers May's secret phone. May catches him and he bolts. He tells Skye and Coulson and they confront each other. May insists she is doing the right thing and doesn't want to hurt them. Suddenly the bus starts flying on its own.
They cut to Victoria Hand, who tells her underlings to kill everyone onboard except Coulson, because "he's mine."[/blackout]


[blackout]A few other random notes:

Nick Fury agrees to meet with Coulson at the end of the episode (he doesn't appear). That's where they are headed when Hand reroutes the bus.

They repeatedly told us that the episode after this one will tie in heavily with CA:TWS. As I mentioned, Sitwell is reassigned to escort the Lemurian Star, which gets hijacked by Batroc at the beginning of the movie, so this episode must take place shortly beforehand.

There was no post-credits scene. I don't know if this is because there isn't one or because they didn't want to show it to us.

Deathlok has a full metal plate under half his head, like the comic incarnation. Skye briefly sees it via x-ray imaging.[/blackout]
 
WHY MUST APRIL 1ST NOT BE THIS TUESDAY?!
I want to read but wont and just be happy about the Deathlok spoiler I asked for in the episode thread.
 
I read it, all I can say is I'm glad it has crapped all over the awful fan theories being as this show would have not done any of them any justice.
 
Please do not read this unless you want the identity of the Clairvoyant spoiled for you!!!
[blackout]
Victoria Hand is the Clairvoyant.
[/blackout]

Well that's disappointing if she is the Clairvoyant.

Although maybe she is just the Clairvoyant's mole inside SHIELD
 
All I can say is....that rumor about the episode sounds very....busy.

It also sounds very....fishy.

Unless it's a two-hour/two-parter, I'm seriously doubting a word of that writeup. But we'll see.

In other news: Chloe Bennet announced at the panel that she and Henstridge ship "Skimmons."
I'm really hoping for future developments along this latest line, as "Skimmons" sounds a helluva lot more interesting than (Alleged) Clairvoyant at this point.
 
I read it, all I can say is I'm glad it has crapped all over the awful fan theories being as this show would have not done any of them any justice.

This post makes no sense.

If they are awful fan theories than why would they get any justice? Awful things shouldn't get any justice because they are awful.

Seriously though just stop watching the show. It's clear you don't like it.
 
Unless it's a two-hour/two-parter, I'm seriously doubting a word of that writeup. But we'll see.

SHH user TheVileOne was at Paleyfest as well and got to ask a question to the panel, he can confirm this was what happened in the episode, if he comes around.
 
This post makes no sense.

If they are awful fan theories than why would they get any justice? Awful things shouldn't get any justice because they are awful.

Seriously though just stop watching the show. It's clear you don't like it.

I like it, I'm just critical. I think I'll actually get the boxset at this point.
And at the moment I feel the show is still getting it's legs under it and wouldn't be well-served to utilized characters like [BLACKOUT]The Leader and MODOK[/BLACKOUT] as The Clairvoyant because at the level AoS is functioning right now they would pale in comparison to what could be achieved with them cinematically.

Try not to overreach by dictating what others should and should not do :cwink:.
 
Unless it's a two-hour/two-parter, I'm seriously doubting a word of that writeup. But we'll see.

Well judging by the write up it seems that "End of the Beginning" & "Turn, Turn, Turn" will be similar to how "T.R.A.C.K.S" & "T.A.H.I.T.I" was. While those weren't officially a two-parter it kind of unofficially was a two-parter.
 
Well judging by the write up it seems that "End of the Beginning" & "Turn, Turn, Turn" will be similar to how "T.R.A.C.K.S" & "T.A.H.I.T.I" was. While those weren't officially a two-parter it kind of unofficially was a two-parter.

Based on the way the episode ends [blackout]the next episode has to take place immediately afterwards. Hand is in the process of having the bus taken to her right this moment. Since "Turn, Turn, Turn" apparently ties in directly with the events of CA:TWS, I'm guessing some fortunate event like an attack on the S.H.I.E.L.D. base spares them from her wrath[/blackout].
 
Based on the way the episode ends [blackout]the next episode has to take place immediately afterwards. Hand is in the process of having the bus taken to her right this moment. Since "Turn, Turn, Turn" apparently ties in directly with the events of CA:TWS, I'm guessing some fortunate event like an attack on the S.H.I.E.L.D. base spares them from her wrath[/blackout].


First of all, thanks for taking the time to share this with those of us that don't mind having the show spoiled.

Was there any notion of how Talbot ties into any of this, or was it hinted that he is a lead into the next season, and was the possibility of Thunderbolt Ross appearing teased?

(before someone calls me out for a hypocrite I don't care about spoilers for this show despite being adamant about wanting to be spoiler free about TWS)
 
First of all, thanks for taking the time to share this with those of us that don't mind having the show spoiled.

Was there any notion of how Talbot ties into any of this, or was it hinted that he is a lead into the next season, and was the possibility of Thunderbolt Ross appearing teased?

(before someone calls me out for a hypocrite I don't care about spoilers for this show despite being adamant about wanting to be spoiler free about TWS)

No mention of him.

EDIT: Just another random thing that occurred to me. When [blackout]they question wheelchair guy, he uses a Stephen Hawking type voice thing to communicate. However, he is not typing anything since he's completely paralyzed. Later, Coulson points out he probably wasn't typing any of his dialogue and somebody else was. However, the interesting thing is that while they're questioning him, they cut away to show Hand, Simmons, and Triplett watching the proceedings from the Triskelion. Hand is clearly present and is not typing or saying anything. That means somebody else was writing/speaking wheelchair guy's dialogue for him[/blackout].
 
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^Sooo

[BLACKOUT]Hand is possibly a mole but not The Clairvoyant?, think it would be anticlimatic to reveal Clairvoyant this early since the finale is around May.... [/BLACKOUT]
 
Hmmm.. To spoil the show for myself or not?

Are these spoilers in question relating to the final episode only or the rest of the season, also will they spoil anything about Cap2?

Someone who read them please answer that in as vague a yes or no as possible please lol.

If its just who the Clarvoyant is then ill bite, but there's a few paragraphs of blackout so I don't want a lot of the remaining show itself spoiled for me.
 
^Sooo

[BLACKOUT]Hand is possibly a mole but not The Clairvoyant?, think it would be anticlimatic to reveal Clairvoyant this early since the finale is around May.... [/BLACKOUT]

At the end of the episode [blackout]Hand is in the middle of a S.H.I.E.L.D. facility when she orders a bunch of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents to kill Coulson's team and she makes no effort to hide her intentions. This means there are a large number of people within the organization who know the truth and are working for her. The person who did the wheelchair guy's dialogue could just be another agent working with her[/blackout].

Hmmm.. To spoil the show for myself or not?

Are these spoilers in question relating to the final episode only or the rest of the season, also will they spoil anything about Cap2?

Someone who read them please answer that in as vague a yes or no as possible please lol.

If its just who the Clarvoyant is then ill bite, but there's a few paragraphs of blackout so I don't want a lot of the remaining show itself spoiled for me.

The spoilers I posted are only for episode 16 and not for CA:TWS or any future episodes.
 
^Sooo

[BLACKOUT]Hand is possibly a mole but not The Clairvoyant?, think it would be anticlimatic to reveal Clairvoyant this early since the finale is around May.... [/BLACKOUT]

That makes more sense.
Just because Hand is giving orders doesn't mean "the buck stops here" any more than it did with Po. I strongly doubt the implication was that Hand was THE Clairvoyant; just another one of his middle managers.
 
^^ Thanks Black

I read them, very interesting and looks to be an action packed episode!

Still not sure if the Clairvoyant is the actual person you mentioned or just another pawn in the greater scheme, we shall see. Going to try and keep spoiler free from here on out haha.

I need to just leave the site until after I see Cap2 and then after I watch each individual episodes and not dabble in between those times or I get myself into situations like these lmao.
 
That makes more sense.
Just because Hand is giving orders doesn't mean "the buck stops here" any more than it did with Po. I strongly doubt the implication was that Hand was THE Clairvoyant; just another one of his middle managers.

They do a big reveal with dramatic music and everything, so that led me to believe they're done doing fakeouts and this really is the Clairvoyant.
 
They do a big reveal with dramatic music and everything, so that led me to believe they're done doing fakeouts and this really is the Clairvoyant.

Maybe.
But more likely, the big "Dramatic Prairie Dog" moment is just intended to indicate that "SURPRISE! Victoria Hand is a mole."

Also, is there any real indication that she's actually working for The Clairvoyant, and not someone else? As it stands right now, in AOS, there's really *three* factions in the power struggle right now --- SHIELD, HYDRA, and (probably) AIM, the group that The Clairvoyant seems to head up.

I'm willing to bet that the twist here is nothing more than the fact that Hand is part of the HYDRA infiltration, and is *not* tied to The Clairvoyant and AIM. The Clairvoyant is still out there in the shadows.
 
Maybe.
But more likely, the big "Dramatic Prairie Dog" moment is just intended to indicate that "SURPRISE! Victoria Hand is a mole."

Also, is there any real indication that she's actually working for The Clairvoyant, and not someone else? As it stands right now, in AOS, there's really *three* factions in the power struggle right now --- SHIELD, HYDRA, and (probably) AIM, the group that The Clairvoyant seems to head up.

I'm willing to bet that the twist here is nothing more than the fact that Hand is part of the HYDRA infiltration, and is *not* tied to The Clairvoyant and AIM. The Clairvoyant is still out there in the shadows.

I'm fairly certain [blackout]Hand's operation is HYDRA[/blackout] but I don't want to say more without veering into CA:TWS spoiler territory.
 
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Ward looks a lot like Matt Fox in this pic.
 
Clairvoyant:

The implication at the end is that the Clairvoyant was never a superhuman with psychic powers, just a corrupt SHIELD agent with high level, privileged, classified information.

It was implied that it COULD be Agent Hand, but it's not 100% definitive.

The implication is also that Agent May is one of the good guys and while surveying the crew, she's not a traitor, at least not purposefully.
 
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