Supergirl All About The Ratings!!!!!!

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The fewer the crossovers the better as far as I'm concerned... so far the two crossovers I've seen written by showrunners have been mediocre re at best....let the regular writers for the shows write them and maybe I will like them more.
Yeah the crossovers have kind of sucked imo. And I wanted to like them.
 
The smaller ones tend to fit more naturally within a season. When they aren't trying to balance two dozen characters and the continuing storylines of four shows.

The Constantine/Arrow crossover was one of the very few Arrow S4 episodes that most fans liked.

There are also many smaller crossovers without the lead characters being involved that seem to work out well. For example: Felicity popping over to Flash from time to time, Joe West and Cisco showing up on Arrow to investigate Eobard Thawne, Diggle and Harbinger in the King Shark episode of Flash, etc.

Only problem is, at the moment very few characters can hop between earths. Barry, Cisco, Kara, Harry Wells, Jesse Quick, and Jay Garrick are the only heroes that have been proven to be able to do it (though we've been told the Waverider can do it too, just haven't been shown).

Cisco needs to make more of those gizmos he gave Kara. It'd be cool to see Earth-2 and Earth-3 characters jumping to Earth-38 and the other Earth-1 shows without Barry's direct involvement.

I had a similar idea of Supergirl meeting Jesse Quick and Jay Garrick.
 
I'm pretty much in favor of as many John Wesley Shipp appearances as they can give us.

I still need him to reprise his role as 1990-Barry more than anything, though.

If it were up to me I'd even use the old school red blur special effects when he runs.
 
Actually, it drew a 1.148, which rounds to 1.1 and could very likely adjust up to 1.2 (we won't get the finals until Monday unfortunately).

So in all probability Supergirl got beat by all three of the other Arrowverse shows.
The crossover event pulled all of the DCTV fans to Supergirl, except the ones majorly invested in Gotham. Supergirl is the only CW DCTV show airing against another DCTV show. It's not surprising that they had the least benefit from the event, nor is it surprising that this seems to be the only time Gotham was noticeably hurt by Supergirl. Realistically, both shows lost around 0.2 to the competition.
 
The crossover event pulled all of the DCTV fans to Supergirl, except the ones majorly invested in Gotham. Supergirl is the only CW DCTV show airing against another DCTV show. It's not surprising that they had the least benefit from the event, nor is it surprising that this seems to be the only time Gotham was noticeably hurt by Supergirl. Realistically, both shows lost around 0.2 to the competition.
Supergirl airs head to head with Lucifer, not Gotham, in my time zone.

And this was the only time I can recall this year where I watched Supergirl live and Lucifer on the DVR versus the reverse.
 
Supergirl airs head to head with Lucifer, not Gotham, in my time zone.

And this was the only time I can recall this year where I watched Supergirl live and Lucifer on the DVR versus the reverse.
Which time zone is that? Mid, East or West?

The core reason for my suspicion is that Gotham has held at +0.1 of Lucifer pretty stable for a while, but for the Winter finale it was -0.1.
 
Which time zone is that? Mid, East or West?

The core reason for my suspicion is that Gotham has held at +0.1 of Lucifer pretty stable for a while, but for the Winter finale it was -0.1.

I live in Denver, so Mountain.

Could be the same in the Pacific time zone. I'm not sure, but we're usually grouped with them while Central and Eastern time are usually grouped together.
 
Got it. Nevertheless the point about Supergirl still stands; one way or other it's airing against a DCTV show. I'd imagine Lucifer has the weakest "core DC" following of the two, though.
 
The crossover event pulled all of the DCTV fans to Supergirl, except the ones majorly invested in Gotham. Supergirl is the only CW DCTV show airing against another DCTV show. It's not surprising that they had the least benefit from the event, nor is it surprising that this seems to be the only time Gotham was noticeably hurt by Supergirl. Realistically, both shows lost around 0.2 to the competition.

Gotham was preempted by Monday Night Football as well.
 
The unrounded finals for the crossover week
The Flash: 1.533 (season high, highest since S2E14, Escape from Earth-2)
Arrow: 1.276 (season high, highest since S4E8, last year's crossover)
Legends of Tomorrow: 1.169 (season high; highest since a 1.23 from the series premiere)
Supergirl: 1.146 (season high, extremely close to adjusting to 1.2; previous season high was 1.09)

EDIT: and the other comic book shows
Lucifer: 1.111
Gotham: 1.033
Agents of SHIELD: 0.753
 
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Since nobody seems to care about ratings too much on the other Arrowverse boards, I'll just use this one.

Flash hit a 1.2 last night. That could be a residual effect from the crossover bump or it could be Flash returning to its normal levels after the gong show election season and a playoff baseball season that had far, far more viewership than any other in Flash's lifespan as a show.

It will be interesting to see how Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow hold up in the next few days.

It's a shame, yet again, that we don't get one more Supergirl episode before the break to see if it could retain some of the new viewers.

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Flash's ratings this season
1.26
1.05
1.04
1.04
0.99 (game 6 of the World Series did 24 million viewers head to head)
1.18 (first episode after the World Series and election)
1.09
1.53
1.2 (unrounded not available yet)
 
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Since nobody seems to care about ratings too much on the other Arrowverse boards, I'll just use this one.

Flash hit a 1.2 last night. That could be a residual effect from the crossover bump or it could be Flash returning to its normal levels after the gong show election season and a playoff baseball season that had far, far more viewership than any other in Flash's lifespan as a show.

It will be interesting to see how Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow hold up in the next few days.

It's a shame, yet again, that we don't get one more Supergirl episode before the break to see if it could retain some of the new viewers.

I have to think that there is a reason, not sure exactly what it is....and then the weirdness of Supergirl coming back a week before the other shows. I have no clue what their thinking is, but again, maybe they have a reasonable reason. Just crazy scheduling in all of this.
 
It could have to do with taping scheduling clauses in the cast's contracts. Sometimes actors have limitations in their contracts on how many days they have to tape and also how frequently.

That's a possible reason Supergirl got a 22 episode season rather than a 23 episode one like Flash and Arrow (Legends got a 17 episode order because that's the most that certain actors on the show are available to film). They expected it to perform very well so there's got to be a reason it didn't get 23.
 
It could have to do with taping scheduling clauses in the cast's contracts. Sometimes actors have limitations in their contracts on how many days they have to tape and also how frequently.

That's a possible reason Supergirl got a 22 episode season rather than a 23 episode one like Flash and Arrow (Legends got a 17 episode order because that's the most that certain actors on the show are available to film). They expected it to perform very well so there's got to be a reason it didn't get 23.

I figured it didn't 23 because of the longer shooting schedule that it has....from what I can tell, the longer shooting schedule didn't actually shorten all that much with the move to Vancouver.
 
That is very possible, and the simple fact that it is a very physical part for Melissa even with a stunt double... :/
 
Live+Same Day to Live+7 increase for the 11/21/16 "The Darkest Place" episode of Supergirl.
18-49 demo
0.9 to 1.4, a 56% increase
Total viewers
2.63 million to 3.98 million, a 51% increase.
 
Not bad, it looks like it has settled into about a 50%+ increase for each episode.
 
Arrow went right back down to its normal range -- 0.7.

No extended bump. Could indicate that Flash's 1.2 was just part of a return to normal.

Now to see how Legends does tonight.
 
Quite good in fact with great flashbacks to season 1 it seems and a shocker twist at the end, which might leave people asking that age old question...

"Is it live or is it Memorex?"

And for Osiris' statement...

Live+Same Day to Live+7 increase for the 11/21/16 "The Darkest Place" episode of Supergirl.
18-49 demo
0.9 to 1.4, a 56% increase
Total viewers
2.63 million to 3.98 million, a 51% increase.

Not bad, dad. Once again showing how in this way advanced TV era, On Demand gives a power boost.
 
Legends of Tomorrow had a 0.7 last night which is one tenth above its normal level, but CW had some sports preemptions so it may adjust down.

Doesn't look like much of a sustained bounce for any of the four Arrowverse shows.
 
Legends held its 0.7 rating for the final.

The ratings of the last five episodes of each Arrowverse show

Supergirl:
0.64
0.74
0.71
0.91
1.14 (crossover+midseason finale)

Supergirl has been all over the map this season, which makes sense because it's in a pretty tough timeslot against MNF, WWE, Gotham/Lucifer, various big reality shows, etc. I'd like to see some more consistency. Hopefully the musical crossover with Flash gives it a boost more similar to what Arrow and Legends got for Invasion.

The Flash:
0.99
1.18
1.09
1.53 (crossover)
1.2 (midseason finale)

Flash I think will probably stay in the 1.1-1.2 range for a good couple months after it returns, maybe with the occasional 1.3. We'll see if the Supergirl musical crossover moves the needle.

Arrow:
0.60
0.68
0.66
1.28 (crossover)
0.7 (midseason finale)

It looks like a 0.7 is the new normal for Arrow, with the occasional 0.6 due to whatever random circumstance (sports, holidays, preemptions, etc).

Legends of Tomorrow:
0.61
0.62
0.64
1.17 (crossover)
0.7 (midseason finale)

Legends appeared to be trending towards a 0.7 before the crossover anyway. I think moving to the post-Flash timeslot will really solidify the ratings for Legends. Maybe bring them above Arrow's.
 
some unrounded finals from midseason finale week

The Flash: 1.199
Legends of Tomorrow: 0.704
Arrow: 0.683

Agents of SHIELD: 0.738

Legends beat Arrow. That's pretty significant.

Also sad for SHIELD that they can barely beat out Arrow and Legends on ABC.
 
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