BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - Part 133

[Vonter-Voman]

I just think that back when she was cast, there were a lot of positive thinking about how she WOULD gain a lot of mass, how actors like Christian Bale accomplished that before, etc etc...

I always had my doubts, and unfortunately, they have been confirmed.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Did someone posted this already?

https://instagram.com/p/zy-VTArLGr/?modal=true

Jared's hairdresser, it seems.

Should mix a little green with purple.

 

[WoodyROM]

The funny thing is I'm not even a Gadot stan, she doesn't have enough English language work under her belt for me to be #team Gadot. I'm in no way a fan, I am in wait and see mode and that's the mode everyone should be in. If she sucks in the role I will say so, if she doesn't I will say so.

I am in no way claiming that is the best anything because that would be stupid.

This body talk is hypocrisy central though, it always is when it comes to actresses. The second an actress is above super slim fanboys yell about it.

Yep. And if Gal had a suit like the dudes, she would have muscle padding like the dudes. This would be a non-point. Henry and Ben are in shape, but their superhero look is aided with a muscle suit. Gal doesn't have that luxury, and it pisses me off that this is the only thing that gets focused on. It's frustrating having a daughter on the way knowing the world that she is coming in to, and the way that world sexualizes/objectifies women. If Gal's performance sucks, then she sucks. But if she's great, she'll still be viewed as less than ideal because of her body. I'm not trying to be a "holier-than-thou" jerk, I'm no better than anyone else, I would just like to see a change.


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[MrsKent26]

I've seen people complain about Alexander's acting. And I like Alexander but she is far from awards calibre herself.

I didn't expect an Oscar nominee/winner for WW, but I had hoped for someone who'd given a reassuring good/decent performance in something...anything. Gadot really hasn't done even that...

To be brutally honest...I cannot even fathom her leading a solo movie at this point because I have no frame of reference to fall back on and think "Hey, she was good in _______ at least."

However...everyone has to start somewhere. Perhaps she's an untapped talent.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just think that back when she was cast, there were a lot of positive thinking about how she WOULD gain a lot of mass, how actors like Christian Bale accomplished that before, etc etc...

I always have my doubts, and unfortunately, they have been confirmed.

Like 90% of women in Hollywood action films she is super slim. Not surprising.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I think most people prefer meat and a bigger frame, than actual muscle.

That's probably true, but the thing is: you can't change your frame. Weight and muscle can be increased/decreased, but your frame is essentially your skeletal structure. So, if you're a smaller framed woman like Gadot, there's only so much you can do to look "bigger."

 

[Charlatan]

Gal Gadot has proven to be the type of actress that likes to do her own stunts and be a physical actress on sets. I'm not worried about her acting for Wonder Woman since nobody has ever seen a live action Wonder Woman film. There's no template and that's driving people nuts. Gadot has a chance to really make her own thing out of this. The fact that she fits Zack Snyder 's style and has that authentic ethnicity to her will be the driving factor to what will win people over. I don't pay two ounce of attention on those shallows who jump on her build because if it was up to the majority of the so called superhero fan base, they'd cast everything and everyone as out of proportion, roided out cosplayer's that have no linking to anything the director is set out doing in their visions. Fan boys have a reputation for a reason. They create their own laughable stigma. Judge once these movies come out because 9 times out of 10, fanboys with keyboards embarrass themselves in the long run.

as long as she's surrounded by good actors she will get by. Look at Steven Amell. That guy can't act and he still has a lot of fan support.

 

[Tra-El]

It baffles me to this day how people fawn over Christian Bale ' s Batman. There's absolutely no way Gadot can butcher WW the way Bale butchered Batman's voice. That Bat voice was so awful that that in itself became a laughing stock of its own. With the right direction and team around her, I can see Gadot 's natural ethnicity really ringing true to this Wonder Woman. Gadot isn't an Oscar award winning actress. She doesn't have to be to be a good Wondy. That's only in the minds of fanboy paranoia.

 

[Charlatan]

That's probably true, but the thing is: you can't change your frame. Weight and muscle can be increased/decreased, but your frame is essentially your skeletal structure. So, if you're a smaller framed woman like Gadot, there's only so much you can do to look "bigger."

her strength is supernatural so being muscle bound doesn't matter. If she were playing Black Canary then there would be an argument to be made.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I didn't expect an Oscar nominee/winner for WW, but I had hoped for someone who'd given a reassuring good/decent performance in something...anything. Gadot really hasn't done even that...

To be brutally honest...I cannot even fathom her leading a solo movie at this point because I have no frame of reference to fall back on and think "Hey, she was good in _______ at least."

However...everyone has to start somewhere. Perhaps she's an untapped talent.

Eh I think Natalie Portman sucks in the Thor films and she's an Oscar winner with good performances under her belt. I think Ryan Reynolds is a solid actor and he was meh in Green Lantern to me. Unfortunately nobody can ever fully judge based on past performances rather someone is right for a particular role in a film. I could easily see Gadot sucking in this role then again I could see her not sucking.

 

[Captain Shazam]

I just think that back when she was cast, there were a lot of positive thinking about how she WOULD gain a lot of mass, how actors like Christian Bale accomplished that before, etc etc...

I always had my doubts, and unfortunately, they have been confirmed.

It's much harder for women to beef up than it is for men. Testosterone makes all the difference, m8.

 

[StarLord]

I haven't seen Gadot act (although she was in Knight and Day and I can't remember her part) but I ain't that worried.

Hell, Snyder cast Malin Akerman in Watchmen, so it can't be any worse than that.

 

[MrsKent26]

It baffles me to this day how people fawn over Christian Bale ' s Batman. There's absolutely no way Gadot can butcher WW the way Bale butchered Batman's voice. That Bat voice was so awful that that in itself became a laughing stock of its own. With the right direction and team around her, I can see Gadot 's natural ethnicity really ringing true to this Wonder Woman. Gadot isn't an Oscar award winning actresses. She doesn't have to be to be a good Wondy. That's only in the minds of fanboy paranoia.

To be fair...it's clear that Bale can act. He's done it amazingly well on more than a few occasions, so perhaps he's granted some slack on that basis. The bat voice was a misstep, but I wouldn't put it on his shoulders alone. The director should have vetoed that immediately (yes, I agree fully that it was heinous).

I don't really think Gadot having an accent and being touted as that word that is vastly overused in convos about her ("exotic") will bring about a charismatic performance. Although, I think many will be fooled by her looks and this whole "exotic" thing even if she isn't that good.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I can see Gadot 's natural ethnicity really ringing true to this Wonder Woman.

This has nothing to do with the discussion; and yet, you've mentioned it twice.

 

[Mysteryman]

I've seen people complain about Alexander's acting. And I like Alexander but she is far from awards calibre herself.

true.
But it was always going to be somebody in the low to mid level tier in terms of fan recognition.
If you cast someone really famous, then its like casting Robert Redford for Superman, all you see is Robert Redford.

 

[steve4991]

Wur duh trailer at doe

 

[Tra-El]

I just think that back when she was cast, there were a lot of positive thinking about how she WOULD gain a lot of mass, how actors like Christian Bale accomplished that before, etc etc...

I always had my doubts, and unfortunately, they have been confirmed.

There is absolutely, positively NEVER positive thinking when it comes these movies and their respective fanbases. Outrage plays apart In almost every single casting that is announced today and that is only magnified with arm chair executives behind any keyboard they can find.

Comparing the likes of Bale to beef up as Batman to the likes of Gadot 's Wonder Woman is about as irrelevant as it can get. The funny thing is, Wonder Woman is still a woman with an up bringing of woman culture. It's not her physique or the amount of muscles that makes the character. It's her bloodline. It amazes me how many fans want this part to be bulked up to the point of looking like a stiff UFC fighter that lacks a woman's natural figure.

Hell, even at one point WW was drawn as a 40 ' s stubby woman with curves. I can just imagine if they went with that look.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

true.
But it was always going to be somebody in the low to mid level tier in terms of fan recognition.
If you cast someone really famous, then its like casting Robert Redford for Superman, all you see is Robert Redford.

Or like casting Ben Affleck as Batman

 

[StarLord]

true.
But it was always going to be somebody in the low to mid level tier in terms of fan recognition.
If you cast someone really famous, then its like casting Robert Redford for Superman, all you see is Robert Redford.

That could have been said for Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman too, but I think most fans have taken to the idea.

Although there are some that still lurk out there wishing it was Jensen Ackles or Scott Adkins.

 

[MrsKent26]

Eh I think Natalie Portman sucks in the Thor films and she's an Oscar winner with good performances under her belt. I think Ryan Reynolds is a solid actor and he was meh in Green Lantern to me. Unfortunately nobody can ever fully judge based on past performances rather someone is right for a particular role in a film. I could easily see Gadot sucking in this role then again I could see her not sucking.

I wouldn't judge fully on past performances, but at this dandy stage of production in which speculation is all one has to keep afloat, some example of talent would help my sometimes shoddy optimism, if nothing else. The final product will be whatever it will be, but for now...it would be nice to know that she could act. Success would at least seem less remote in that case.

 

[Tra-El]

This has nothing to do with the discussion; and yet, you've mentioned it twice.

How doesn't it? The discussion is about Gal Gadot and Wonder Woman. I'm simply saying that the people claiming they can't see any form of positive thinking or optimism regarding her frame could be drawn elsewhere to her performance.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I have my doubts about Gadot, but I'm gonna wait until I see her as Wondy before saying she blew it. She has a small acting resume and we have very little to go on, not gonna condemn over a meh performance in a minor role in some F&F movies. As for physicality, WW has been drawn with numerous builds and body types over the last several decades, Many of which were very similar to Gadot's, her build may not be what many were hoping for, but it isn't exactly invalid, and she's not exactly out of shape, despite her small size.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

How doesn't it? The discussion is about Gal Gadot and Wonder Woman. I'm simply saying that the people claiming they can't see any form of positive thinking or optimism regarding her frame could be drawn elsewhere to her performance.

Yes, it's about Gal Gadot and WW, but Gadot's "ethnicity" is not the point of contention.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Yes, it's about Gal Gadot and WW, but Gadot's "ethnicity" is not the point of contention.

Her ethnicity is probably the one thing about her casting with the most unanimous approval.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I wouldn't judge fully on past performances, but at this dandy stage of production in which speculation is all one has to keep afloat, some example of talent would help my sometimes shoddy optimism, if nothing else. The final product will be whatever it will be, but for now...it would be nice to know that she could act. Success would at least seem less remote in that case.

Agreed.