BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - Part 133

[GL's Light]

GL casting is most likely coming from latino review

Why assume it's GL casting? It could be Deathstroke casting or some other casting news/rumor.

 

[Nemeres]

When Leto has looked like this in the past, it's hard to get excited for the idea of a pretty, boyish Joker. Hope they ugly him up.

 

[GL's Light]

Deadline Hollywood has a piece on concerns one financial analyst who focuses on the movie business has that the increase in the number of big budget superhero releases will push down the average gross box office gross of superhero movies:

Superhero movies saved the day for several studios over the last few years. But the films may lose their punch as Hollywood prepares to pummel multiplexes with big budget films featuring characters who defy the laws of physics, Cowen and Co’s Doug Creutz says today in his annual take on profitability prospects for Hollywood.

There is “cause for increasing concern that the major studios are all moving towards increasingly indistinguishable strategies, as they all put more and more eggs in the franchise picture basket,” the analyst says.

He acknowledges that potential blockbusters including Star Wars VII, The Avengers 2, and the final Hunger Games likely will lift 2015’s box office sales ahead of last year’s “dismal levels.” Still, he’s “not convinced that the overall slate is going to drive performance that is significantly better than what we have generally seen over the past four years.”

And studios could run into trouble beginning in 2016 as Warner Bros., Disney, Fox, and Sony lead a charge of big budget releases. The number of movies featuring superpowered saviors will double to about 7 or 8 per year from an average of 3 or 4 from 2011 to 2015. The average major super hero movie generated $260 million in domestic box office (adjusted for inflation) in years when there were three or fewer of them, Creutz says. But the average dropped to $224 million in years with four films.

“We believe that a further doubling of output to 7-8 films per year is likely to drive the per film [domestic box office] average south of $200MM, which begins to get towards the danger zone given the $200MM+ budgets of many of these films.,” he says.

It isn’t so much that audiences are tiring of the genre. It’s just that they “become less tolerant of middling/poor quality films as there are better options in the market.”

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I can just picture you guys sitting at 11:59 PM, ready to explode with anger if Ayer doesn't make good on his hype.

It's 00:55am here, and I am not pissed a bit at Ayer or at Snyder or at WB.
Spoil sport me.

 

[taigawithapen]

Deadline Hollywood has a piece on concerns one financial analyst who focuses on the movie business has that the increase in the number of big budget superhero releases will push down the average gross box office gross of superhero movies:

This is interesting and it kind of echos what I think most of us have been thinking for a while: We dont just want CBMs, rather, we want well-crafted CBM stories. I think if we had more TDK's and less Ang Lee's The Hulk we probably wouldnt have felt so worn out about future films and there'd be less worry.

There was a rumor awhile back about WB pursuing smaller scale CBMs to reduce the high budget that they tend to require and I think that that will be something that we'll see more of. I dont know how much Suicide Squad will cost but I bet its less then BvS and JL and with the talent, characters and hype around it, Im betting theyve already made their money back. A lower budget for CBMs will also help reinforce the idea that these films NEED a good story to work since they wont be able to rely on spectacle alone.

 

[fake]

Deadline Hollywood has a piece on concerns one financial analyst who focuses on the movie business has that the increase in the number of big budget superhero releases will push down the average gross box office gross of superhero movies:

Hollywood will just get smarter with budgeting and how they make their money back. For example, MoS had a reported budget of 225M (that includes a few million from aborted Superman movies developed as well), now even though it is a Superman movie 225M will make any studio feel tense about the profit expectations, so how does WB get around that?

First, co-productions. WB coproduced MoS with Legendary, RatPac and Syncopy, in this way no studio put up more than 100M into the movie.

Second, marketing tie-in. WB smartly brought on over 160M worth of marketing partners for Superman. This offset the budget greatly: http://adage.com/article/news/superman-reboot-man-steel-snares-160m-promotions/241822/

Third, the production budgets are almost always inflated. For example, WB does not produce MoS, they set up a new company (lets call it Superman LLC), that new company produces MoS. WB loans them the money to produce it, charges them for space rental, and interest on the loans, and distribution fees. They are basically charging themselves to make the movie. This is hollywood accounting at its finest.

Finally, post-theater life. Satellite rights sold to HBO, Home video sales, foreign satellite rights and foreign home video sales, theme park additions at six flags, apparel and toys at Walmart and Target.

 

[Rocketman]

Take a look at what the CW is doing and that's enough to tell you that Hollywood can EASILY make these movies for 60-70 million. Plus, star power isn't really needed. You're paying to see the hero in the costume, not the person behind the mask. I think low-budget superhero movies with waaaaay less CGI is the way to go. No more of these insanely inflated $200+ million budgets.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Take a look at what the CW is doing and that's enough to tell you that Hollywood can EASILY make these movies for 60-70 million. Plus, star power isn't really needed. You're paying to see the hero in the costume, not the person behind the mask. I think low-budget superhero movies with waaaaay less CGI is the way to go. No more of these insanely inflated $200+ million budgets.

I agree with most of this but star power is a huge draw. My mom couldn't care less about Batman, but she likes Ben Affleck. If studio dropped A-listers to save some cash I think it might hurt them in the long run when the characters they start making movies for a not well know. Like Shazam. I'm going to be honest, the only reason I saw The Green Lantern was because I like Ryan Reynolds. I agree they can make movies for cheaper, but let's not skimp on good actors.

 

[GL's Light]

Take a look at what the CW is doing and that's enough to tell you that Hollywood can EASILY make these movies for 60-70 million. Plus, star power isn't really needed. You're paying to see the hero in the costume, not the person behind the mask. I think low-budget superhero movies with waaaaay less CGI is the way to go. No more of these insanely inflated $200+ million budgets.

You could make movies featuring some of the more street level superheroes for lower budgets, but the big budgets are needed to provide the kind of scale that draws big international audiences, which is where the growth in box office is and where a franchise can sometimes continue delivering strong numbers even as domestic box office drops off.

 

[Rocketman]

I agree with most of this but star power is a huge draw. My mom couldn't care less about Batman, but she likes Ben Affleck. If studio dropped A-listers to save some cash I think it might hurt them in the long run when the characters they start making movies for a not well know. Like Shazam. I'm going to be honest, the only reason I saw The Green Lantern was because I like Ryan Reynolds. I agree they can make movies for cheaper, but let's not skimp on good actors.

Eh, I don't know. Spider-Man did insane numbers, and so did The Amazing Spider-Man. So did X-Men.

Daredevil tried the star-power approach and it didn't work out. Neither did Batman & Robin.

Just make good movies and people will flock, I say. Stars help, but not THAT much.

 

[Rocketman]

You could make movies featuring some of the more street level superheroes for lower budgets, but the big budgets are needed to provide the kind of scale that draws big international audiences, which is where the growth in box office is and where a franchise can sometimes continue delivering strong numbers even as domestic box office drops off.

*Shrug* In my opinion, The Dark Knight LOOKED like a low-budget film, due to the minimal (if any) CGI. It felt big without looking really big. That's one of the most successful movies ever, and I don't remember any crazy explosions with morphing robots flying around and decimating entire buildings. It was basically a small character-driven drama. That's exactly what we need more of.

 

[GL's Light]

The Dark Knight delivered scale, just of a different sort, and it required a big production budget to deliver that scale.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Eh, I don't know. Spider-Man did insane numbers, and so did The Amazing Spider-Man. So did X-Men.

Daredevil tried the star-power approach and it didn't work out. Neither did Batman & Robin.

Just make good movies and people will flock, I say. Stars help, but not THAT much.

I mean in the flooded market now. Back when Spider-Man and X-Men where the only real franchises duking it out they did well. But now there is so much noise. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Shazam, Suicide Squad, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Black Panther, Ant Man, Guardians, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Deadpool, Doctor Strange, Sinister Six, and the Team ups, Avengers and Justice League. That's 20 individual movies on the slate. I'm sure Guardians would have done ok, but my family and most of my friends only saw it because of Chris Pratt being on one of the most loved prime-time shows. I find it hard to believe The Inhumans will get the same notoriety unless they got someone bringing people to the theatres. 20 movies need to divide the market share the same way only 2-4 movies did back in the beginning of the current movies. Batman and Robin, and Dardevil didn't do well because they aren't very good, not because of star power. This is one of those correlation does not equal causation effects.

 

[kguillou]

I told you guys to keep your expectations in check. I knew it wasnt gonna be much from Ayer. They're clearly still in early pre production for SS.

 

[MrMaooz]

 

[Fallen Angel]

I told you guys to keep your expectations in check. I knew it wasnt gonna be much from Ayer. They're clearly still in early pre production for SS.

Actually they're finishing up pre production as shooting begins next month.

 

[shauner111]

I told you guys to keep your expectations in check. I knew it wasnt gonna be much from Ayer. They're clearly still in early pre production for SS.

The night is not over.

 

[paulogonza]

where the GL casting rumors started?

 

[BravoNolanILuvU]

Nowhere, just speculation.

 

[Zordan]

Im giving it one more hour and then Im off

 

[Chip Chipperson]

AYER PLS

 

[Black Narcissus]

I really liked this scene.

Henry was great.


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[roach]

to be fair he said something was happening...he didn't say he'd post it

 

[taigawithapen]

True, but what he did post certainly doesnt feel like it needed a day-in-advance announcement.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Im giving it one more hour and then Im off

agreed

if we don't get anything then I'm just about done with the entire DC Universe

Spoiler

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