• The upgrade to XenForo 2.3.7 has now been completed. Please report any issues to our administrators.

BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - Part 135

Status
Not open for further replies.
There was scuttlebutt about the memorial BTS shots we saw being connected to the President. I would love to see if they get into the idea of interactions between the U.S. government and these superheroes.
 
I see nothing wrong with a character being sexually appealing. I don't complain whenever Hemsworth takes his shirt off. Visual appeal is a huge part superhero culture no matter what fans say. That visual appeal isn't always sexual but since comics have been geared primarily towards males it is females that are sexualized for the most part. Then when transferred to film where the demographics are split more evenly the sexualizing of female characters is toned down while we see male characters sexualized more than they were in the comics. Nothing wrong with that either.
I don't mind it much but I'm tired of people acting like sexy female characters are something to be ashamed of. Should every comic book heroine been drawn with an average face, an average build, and pants with no cleavage? How many cosplayers at Comic-con think they are wearing something misogynistic? There are plenty of males and females who enjoy these characters just the way they are. Sexy outfits and all.
WW showing that much skin is one of the reasons why I really like the costume, can't say the same for Scarlet Witch or Supergirl :oldrazz:
 
Lol, I'm sure superman was about as down with it as every other father of a 16 year old daughter is when they dress like that.
You say its for the sake of diversity but I can't think of a single sexualized character that hasn't had an outcry over recent years. Even Catwoman was in the middle of a controversy. Seduction is her thing. She wouldn't really even be Catwoman anymore if she weren't sneaking around in a skintight outfit and stretching into impossible almost catlike poses.
If you don't want a her in a skirt there's Donna Troy, The Question, Hawkgirl, and most of the x-men are dressed pretty conservatively. Even X-23 and she had to resort to prostitution for a living for a while. I guess Emma Frost makes up for the entire team though.
And like I said I don't mind the shift. Its not the first comics will be influenced by a change in demographics, popular opinion, or politics. It won't be the last time either. I'm just sick and tired of the medium and the culture being villainized because of this and trust me it is being villainized.
 
Well, actually... No. I won't trust you. Simply because "villainized" is pretty strong language? If the genre of super hero fiction were "villainized" these films wouldn't be the moneymakers they are. Now... Are you encountering extreme opinions, from both sides, here in the hothouse atmosphere of an Internet forum? Maybe. That's not the same thing as an expression of real world opinion, and we all should be old enough now to realize that, though again... FANTASTIC FOUR threads excepted. :loco:

:cwink:
:woot:
 
And Sam can get away with it cuz "He's my boy" (and he was being FAUX paternalistic. Context sir... CONTEXT, the great enemy of those that cannot see nuance and understand things only through blanket generalizations, or in other words all the regular posters in the FANTASTIC FOUR threads. :oldrazz:), but I dare say call someone you don't know "boy" and it takes on a different meaning, and that's not even getting into the racial overtones (which don't have really anything to do with what we are discussing, true, but it is another example of using "boy" and it coming of as demeaning.) I am a grown man. When I was in my 20's the last thing I would want is anyone calling me "boy". That you don't seem to understand how a woman would have a similar response is really "weird" to me and something that's not regional, it's universal. Have you talked to women about this? I am sure you would get a diverse response but more than enough I think to prove my point. Being in a subordinate role in an office or other work setting and having a man say, "Atta girl" or "My, aren't you a bright girl" would not come off well to a WOMAN over the age of 21. And using the Boy/Girl Scouts as examples is also "weird" seeing as they are organization whose membership is made up largely of exactly that, the young. Actual boys and girls. Even older members get different names. Someone is an 18 year old Eagle Scout, not a "Boy Scout". And Hawkgirl was the name of Hawkman's wife and later turned to Hawkwoman, but that's spitting needless fanboy (there, see, there's a reason FANBOY is a term of derision, even if lovingly so) hairs, when you know full well what my meaning is and why such changes are done.

You're getting too caught up with convoluted nitpicking. "Boy" has racial overtones now?

Remember, this is all about her being called Supergirl and you finding that demeaning. The whole thing is a weird, needless fanboy complaint.

She's a young female character. Add on the fact that it's a moniker and most people aren't bothered one bit because it fits. It's really a non-issue. She's called Supergirl and will continue to be called Supergirl.

They didn't change Hawkgirl to Hawkwoman thinking the -girl suffix was demeaning. That much is obvious since Hawkgirl still exists.
 
You're getting too caught up with convoluted nitpicking. "Boy" has racial overtones now?

Remember, this is all about her being called Supergirl and you finding that demeaning. The whole thing is a weird, needless fanboy complaint.

She's a young female character. Add on the fact that it's a moniker and most people aren't bothered one bit because it fits. It's really a non-issue. She's called Supergirl and will continue to be called Supergirl.

They didn't change Hawkgirl to Hawkwoman thinking the -girl suffix was demeaning. That much is obvious since Hawkgirl still exists.

Umm... My friend... No.

1. As I mentioned and you seem to now be IGNORING, I did state that bringing up the old racial implications of boy was a digression, but it is an example of the word and usage of "boy" being demeaning. If you are unaware of this historical fact, I have to ask how old you are, since it should be fairly common knowledge? And again, I admit it was a digression though one that shows that, yes, as a term, in context it can indeed be demeaning. How's about this as a real world experiment. Go around to any and all businesses and call any employee clearly over the age of 30 whom you have never met beforehand "boy" every chance you get. See how that works out for you. Most People don't do that as a matter of common sense, but perhaps the real world is indeed the best teacher.

2. I don't have a problem with the name SUPERGIRL. I do have a problem in a live action adaptation (quite different from comics and animated programming, and even then...) in which the character is specifically well over the age of adolescence and has been cast as such, that said character is still being referred to as a "Girl". It is not the name, but again to drive it home, THE CONTEXT. It's a pet peeve of mine, one I am betting a good number of fans of every stripe may share. Not all of course but it's an opinion I have indeed encountered and agreed with in my time as a fan of this material quite a number of times. So... Nope. It's far from just being little ole me.

3. Your position on Hawkgirl and Hawkwoman does not match up with the history of the character in the least. Please go to any history of the character to understand that of which you speak because you were TOTALLY incorrect in your statement that Hawkgirl and Hawkwoman were not one and the same. They have been (and in the future probably will be again) one and the same, the reasoning has indeed often been in these cases that the name change was due to respect for the character not to be called "girl" and the connotations that go along with it. Thus, AGAIN, why Sue Storm-Richards went from Invisible Girl to Invisible WOMAN (She was a mother whom had knocked out the Hulk... She deserved to not be thought of as "immature" or in need of guidance, connotations of the moniker, "girl"). Have you ever wondered why Marvel through the 90's did not return Jean Grey to her original code name? Even in the widely seen animated show? She was not known as Marvel Girl despite being separated from the Phoenix during that period (The X-Men Blue/Gold team era). They did so because she was no longer even close to being a "girl" (and perhaps deciding it's a cheesy moniker to begin with, especially for the "extreme" 1990's, though that is debatable). Now yes, there have been various versions of Hawkgirl, from the Saunders version to the Timm show, and guess what? There were people that voiced opinions on those versions ( versions whose existence doesn't somehow negate the character of Hawkgirl that then BECAME Hawkwoman in some sort of zero-sum iteration of logic.) that were the same as my own, both male and female.


In closing, let me say... Enjoy the new SUPERGIRL show. I hope it is good, and that despite my misgivings it does turn out to be something I too will be proud to have associated with the Superman franchise and general mythology. But, yes indeed, myself and others find some of the choices we are hearing about now to be ones that we just don't like, and yes, that includes the the decision to name the show SUPERGIRL when it's about a version of Kara that has long since passed over into maturity and womanhood.
 
tumblr_n9ee9gIODd1sxwyufo2_250.gif
tumblr_n9ee9gIODd1sxwyufo4_r1_250.gif
tumblr_n9ee9gIODd1sxwyufo1_r1_250.gif


tumblr_nfe1weVlnF1tbnwo0o1_500.jpg
Fixed :o
 
umm... My friend... No.

1. As i mentioned and you seem to now be ignoring, i did state that bringing up the old racial implications of boy was a digression, but it is an example of the word and usage of "boy" being demeaning. If you are unaware of this historical fact, i have to ask how old you are, since it should be fairly common knowledge? And again, i admit it was a digression though one that shows that, yes, as a term, in context it can indeed be demeaning. How's about this as a real world experiment. Go around to any and all businesses and call any employee clearly over the age of 30 whom you have never met beforehand "boy" every chance you get. See how that works out for you. Most people don't do that as a matter of common sense, but perhaps the real world is indeed the best teacher.

2. I don't have a problem with the name supergirl. I do have a problem in a live action adaptation (quite different from comics and animated programming, and even then...) in which the character is specifically well over the age of adolescence and has been cast as such, that said character is still being referred to as a "girl". It is not the name, but again to drive it home, the context. It's a pet peeve of mine, one i am betting a good number of fans of every stripe may share. Not all of course but it's an opinion i have indeed encountered and agreed with in my time as a fan of this material quite a number of times. So... Nope. It's far from just being little ole me.

3. Your position on hawkgirl and hawkwoman does not match up with the history of the character in the least. Please go to any history of the character to understand that of which you speak because you were totally incorrect in your statement that hawkgirl and hawkwoman were not one and the same. They have been (and in the future probably will be again) one and the same, the reasoning has indeed often been in these cases that the name change was due to respect for the character not to be called "girl" and the connotations that go along with it. Thus, again, why sue storm-richards went from invisible girl to invisible woman (she was a mother whom had knocked out the hulk... She deserved to not be thought of as "immature" or in need of guidance, connotations of the moniker, "girl"). Have you ever wondered why marvel through the 90's did not return jean grey to her original code name? Even in the widely seen animated show? She was not known as marvel girl despite being separated from the phoenix during that period (the x-men blue/gold team era). They did so because she was no longer even close to being a "girl" (and perhaps deciding it's a cheesy moniker to begin with, especially for the "extreme" 1990's, though that is debatable). Now yes, there have been various versions of hawkgirl, from the saunders version to the timm show, and guess what? There were people that voiced opinions on those versions ( versions whose existence doesn't somehow negate the character of hawkgirl that then became hawkwoman in some sort of zero-sum iteration of logic.) that were the same as my own, both male and female.


In closing, let me say... Enjoy the new supergirl show. I hope it is good, and that despite my misgivings it does turn out to be something i too will be proud to have associated with the superman franchise and general mythology. But, yes indeed, myself and others find some of the choices we are hearing about now to be ones that we just don't like, and yes, that includes the the decision to name the show supergirl when it's about a version of kara that has long since passed over into maturity and womanhood.

tl;dr

You're getting too caught up with convoluted nitpicking.
 
Oh, you read it. Please... That tl;dr jibber jabber is so much bovine excrement from everyone that uses it. And brother man... anyone that doesn't know about the history of characters but bandies about facts like they DO know, or who seems to be totally ignorant of how "boy" was used to demean grown men probably needs to do more reading in general. TTFN.
 
Umm... My friend... No.
2. I don't have a problem with the name SUPERGIRL. I do have a problem in a live action adaptation (quite different from comics and animated programming, and even then...) in which the character is specifically well over the age of adolescence and has been cast as such, that said character is still being referred to as a "Girl". It is not the name, but again to drive it home, THE CONTEXT. It's a pet peeve of mine, one I am betting a good number of fans of every stripe may share. Not all of course but it's an opinion I have indeed encountered and agreed with in my time as a fan of this material quite a number of times. So... Nope. It's far from just being little ole me.
What's the problem with referring to oneself "girl"? I'm old enough to understand that people from my parent's generation and before used approriate term, if somewhat old fashioned to address pre-teen, teen and yound adult, usually in the form of "Master" (as I was frequently in my younger day), "Miss", "Mister", "Mistress", "Herr", "Frau", etc., and informally "boy", and "girl". But I have also socialised with women over 30s in the 21st century using the term "girl" as a form of address and term of endearment.

Superwoman would implied a different character with different back story to one we're familiar with in Supergirl. The general audience does not care if she is being taken as a girl or an adult as long as they have a good 45 minutes of TV entertainment.

The fans will have to get on with the program!:cwink:

Including some people who thought that the Supergirl's suit looked bland and/or too muted. I thought that the Supergirl's suit is very good in its simplicity, and in keeping with the classic design. Unlike the one too many gears on the current Atom's suit. :whatever:

Wait 'till you'll see all hell will break loose with Leto's Joker. They will start screaming where's his "white face". Haha.
 
KRYPTON INC. is turning into kurosawa. :hehe:
 
KRYPTON INC. is not a fan of adults playing the role of the adolescent.
Case closed.


Who else wants to see Bizarro in a future Superman movie?
 
So for those that have seen the animated film "Public Enemies", how many films would we possibly need for Batman and Superman to star in with each other in order for people to believably buy that they are as close to each other like their animated counterparts?lol
 
Last edited:
Over a year out from release, no trailers, barely any hero pictures, and zero villain pictures and we've blown through 134 threads. I love this place.
 
It's going to be fun watching everyone's reaction when Superman wins. :o
 
Batman will beat Superman... when Wonder Woman beats Superman with him

TaphdiB.gif
 
KRYPTON INC. is not a fan of adults playing the role of the adolescent.
Case closed.


Who else wants to see Bizarro in a future Superman movie?

I would love to see him in a movie. I kind of hope the surprise villain for BvS is Bizarro.
 
David Ayer ‏@DavidAyerMovies 9 minil y a 9 minutes Voir la traduction
“@Doom1339: @DavidAyerMovies What's your favorite comic book character?” Tied between Superman and Batman
Afficher la conversation 0 réponse 1 Retweet 1 favoris

Interesting...
 
Interesting...

After seeing that tweet I kinda started thinking if Ayer does a great job with Suicide Squad maybe WB would offer him the Batman solo (if Ben doesn't wanna do it)

I don't think it would be completely far fetched.
 
Interesting...

The more I see and hear from Ayer the more I hope his Suicide Squad is legit. I want him to get more opportunities in the DC movieverse.
 
After seeing that tweet I kinda started thinking if Ayer does a great job with Suicide Squad maybe WB would offer him the Batman solo (if Ben doesn't wanna do it)

I don't think it would be completely far fetched.

Yup, that was my thought.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"