BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - Part 151

[Picard Stewart]

lol are you talking about Tom Hardy? I hope not bc he's not 5'5 lol

He's 5'5". Like Tom Cruise. I could post a bunch of pics of him standing next to short actors but I'm not going to.

 

[RadioSha]

i watched it. I was trying my hardest to avoid it until the hd version came up. I gave in. Nice teaser.

hd?!?!?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I actually agree with all of this. Even the Daredevil part.

This trailer is exactly what I was hoping to see (aside from the robobatsuit, but I could live with it if everything else is on point).

Netflix's Daredevil is unlike anything that Marvel and even DC has ever done before. It's insanely good.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Batman: Tell me, does your hair grow back?

*Superman lands in front of Batman and throws his wig at him*

Such a drastic change of tone

 

[LiveTreacherous]

The overreactions on this board never cease to floor me. How a two-minute, bootleg video of a handful of scenes you can't even see clearly CONFIRMS that this movie "looks like it's set in a different world" than its predecessor is beyond me.

But please, tell me more about how WB "can't seem to ever get it right."

Seems to be a contingency of people who feel that Superman should only be presented in a certain way, and anything deviating from that is infringing on Superman as a character.

Superman being depicted in any thing other than a virtually utopian Metropolis with sunshine and bright colors where he is accepted unconditionally by the masses while also rocking a spit curl is considered a crime to certain people.

Some are only able to see the character in this light or their body will outright reject it.

Not to mention the fact that you get fans who feel like Batman is bogarding his way into what is supposed Superman's spotlight and making what is supposed to be Supe's solo film into a Batman film.

Mix all of that up in a pot and you get these kind of reactions we're seeing.

It's just different worldviews. There are those who want to escape into a world full of hope where it's never dark, never dreary, where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad. This kind of tone doesn't really jive with them.

Then there's people like us who just think it's badass and cool and can't wait to see the two most iconic heroes on big screen.

 

[TheBuzz]

Yeah. But I would assume that both Batman and Supes are clever enough to find out each other's identity... ala Lois Lane.

So having a voice modulator throughout the movie wouldn't work I would think.

If the modulator is built into the suit, it's not likely something he'll turn on and off. The concern isn't Superman but someone in an alley with a phonecam. Current events should tell you how easy it is for a slip up to end up on a recording.

 

[Monochron]

Yeah I know a lot of people still prefer the light fluffy-ness of Marvel, and I like it too, but my jam is always going to be the dark gritty moody stuff, regardless of how people THINK that's it's a crutch for real drama. When Daredevil came out last week, it resonated with me far more than anything coming from the MCU (Winter Solder being the closest). So this stuff right here, the whole false god stuff, the demonic batman stuff...all of it. Right up my alley, and i know it's going to be too much for some cbm fans to handle, and i like it that way to be honest.

I would argue that Daredevil is dark in aesthetic only but that's another discussion.

 

[MrsKent26]

Netflix's Daredevil is unlike anything that Marvel and even DC has ever done before. It's insanely good.

I've only watched two episodes, but so far, I love it.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Another thing to consider here... a lot of teasers for sequels take a dark tone to play up the threat to the central character. Best example I can think of is the Star Trek Into Darkness teaser, which had a lot of people concerned that the movie was going to be uber dark and ultraviolent. I even heard people say they thought Abrams was trying to be Nolan or something.

Ultimately, the movie wasn't as dark (or as good, IMO) as that teaser indicated. So people might be jumping the gun a bit here just because tonally, this teaser is different from the trailers we got for MOS. Also, most of the scenes show here appear to be night scenes (which makes sense since Batman is involved). MOS had very few night scenes.

 

[enquencle]

I find the contrast in tone very interesting. MoS was all about Supes as a beacon of hope, as a saviour. And it showed, frome the very first trailer and comic-con footage.

This seems to be completely the opposite. About his downfall, and how he's really seen as a threat. Wondering if we'll get back to the hopeful tone at some point. I really, really loved that aspect from MoS.

 

[king666]

So, the powerlessness speech... Who was that?

 

[Sharkboy]

Yeah. But I would assume that both Batman and Supes are clever enough to find out each other's identity... ala Lois Lane.

So having a voice modulator throughout the movie wouldn't work I would think.

Yeah but I understand what craig is getting at though, he makes a valid point, nothing to be overly concerned about this early in the game with what little we've seen, but the fear is still present in that if that is his entire voice throughout his batman run...then that's a part of Afflecks pure performance that we are missing. At least with Bale's voice, despite it reportedly being modified in post, you can still hear it was Bale growling, and it was part of his own take on the character. If Affleck is doing a voice, only to have it mutated by some guy on a computer, it takes away from what he's being paid to do.

and you'd be forgiven for not realising this considering a lot of people on this entire forum...but these are FILMS, not moving comic books with sound, acting is KINDA important in these things.


....but yeah I think the voice is kinda cool

 

[Rapunzel]

Another thing to consider here... a lot of teasers for sequels take a dark tone to play up the threat to the central character. Best example I can think of is the Star Trek Into Darkness teaser, which had a lot of people concerned that the movie was going to be uber dark and ultraviolent. I even heard people say they thought Abrams was trying to be Nolan or something.

Ultimately, the movie wasn't as dark (or as good, IMO) as that teaser indicated. So people might be jumping the gun a bit here just because tonally, this teaser is different from the trailers we got for MOS. Also, most of the scenes show here appear to be night scenes (which makes sense since Batman is involved). MOS had very few night scenes.

Iron Man 3 is an excellent example of this as well. It's a very true point.

 

[Gee]

So, the powerlessness speech... Who was that?

Definitely [BLACKOUT]Alfred[/BLACKOUT]'s.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

once other prominent JL characters are introduced then we'll get a lighter tone

 

[Astro13Zombie]

So, the powerlessness speech... Who was that?

Alfred

 

[RadioSha]

This trailer is so pitch black dark and different that when it's played before Age of Ultron in the theaters, I would expect a few stupid, ignorant people to "boo" at it.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I find the contrast in tone very interesting. MoS was all about Supes as a beacon of hope, as a saviour. And it showed, frome the very first trailer and comic-con footage.

This seems to be completely the opposite. About his downfall, and how he's really seen as a threat. Wondering if we'll get back to the hopeful tone at some point. I really, really loved that aspect from MoS.

I think the them will still be present, but MOS didn't have much of the beacon of hope thing in regards to showing the world, it seemed much more about him coming to terms with himself and what he could be, this is gonna be him proving to the world that he is not someone they should fear, and gaining the world's trust.

 

[MrsKent26]

I find the contrast in tone very interesting. MoS was all about Supes as a beacon of hope, as a saviour. And it showed, frome the very first trailer and comic-con footage.

This seems to be completely the opposite. About his downfall, and how he's really seen as a threat. Wondering if we'll get back to the hopeful tone at some point. I really, really loved that aspect from MoS.

I find the tone of both very similar, even thought the themes are different MOS's themes of hope were presented in a manner that still felt serious/dramatic to me.

MOS was the rise and BvS is the fall, with both being "heavy."

I do see where people are coming from about the tone though.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Seems to be a contingency of people who feel that Superman should only be presented in a certain way, and anything deviating from that is infringing on Superman as a character.

Superman being depicted in any thing other than a virtually utopian Metropolis with sunshine and bright colors where he is accepted unconditionally by the masses while also rocking a spit curl is considered a crime to certain people.

Some are only able to see the character in this light or their body will outright reject it.

Not to mention the fact that you get fans who feel like Batman is bogarding his way into what is supposed Superman's spotlight and making what is supposed to be Supe's solo film into a Batman film.

Mix all of that up in a pot and you get these kind of reactions we're seeing.

It's just different worldviews. There are those who want to escape into a world full of hope where it's never dark, never dreary, where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad. This kind of tone doesn't really jive with them.

Then there's people like us who just think it's badass and cool and can't wait to see the two most iconic heroes on big screen.

Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. I'm just excited to see the two greatest superheroes of all time on the big screen together. As long as it's entertaining, I'll enjoy it. If it manages to also be inspiring or thought-provoking, then that's even better. But at the end of the day, it's like... these are superhero movies. They're not 12 Years a Slave or The Theory of Everything or Selma. They can try to be something more than genre pieces but even if they don't quite succeed at that, it doesn't make them bad.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I find the contrast in tone very interesting. MoS was all about Supes as a beacon of hope, as a saviour. And it showed, frome the very first trailer and comic-con footage.

This seems to be completely the opposite. About his downfall, and how he's really seen as a threat.

I think that's the point.

 

[Jekecy]

Another thing to consider here... a lot of teasers for sequels take a dark tone to play up the threat to the central character. Best example I can think of is the Star Trek Into Darkness teaser, which had a lot of people concerned that the movie was going to be uber dark and ultraviolent. I even heard people say they thought Abrams was trying to be Nolan or something.

Doesn't apply as well with Snyder, who's known for his grittier work. The "dark, more serious sequel" approach is definitely rampant in recent years for films which don't deserve it (Transformers 2, Thor 2, Iron Man 3), but I've a feeling it's going to be more accurate with this film than it is with those examples.

 

[Limonade]

If the modulator is built into the suit, it's not likely something he'll turn on and off. The concern isn't Superman but someone in an alley with a phonecam. Current events should tell you how easy it is for a slip up to end up on a recording.

Yeah. You got me there.

I guess if it's someone that was an educated and close personal friend with multibillionaire Bruce Wayne (like Dent). But Bruce doesn't have many of those... and even they could connect the dots who would really be able take him down on word alone?

 

[Monochron]

He's 5'5". Like Tom Cruise. I could post a bunch of pics of him standing next to short actors but I'm not going to.

So Joseph gordon-levitt is only 5'6 and Christian Bale only 5'10. Got it.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Iron Man 3 is an excellent example of this as well. It's a very true point.

Iron Man 3 was so incredibly different from its trailers, really caught me off guard. I expect BvS will be somewhat different tonally from this trailer, but I definitely wouldn't expect it to be different to the extent that IM3 was.