BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - Part 160

[Citadel30]

Not really no. IMO it's clear they wanted a Director who was passionate about the source material, who knew the source material well, who has a track record of decent->good films (even with a few blips along the way, like most Directors) and Snyder ticks those boxes. The fact that he has an amazing eye for visuals is the cherry on top for these effects and visual-heavy superhero properties. He is very much to WB what Whedon is to Marvel.

MOS had a critically mixed response probably because, despite the fact it was fairly faithful to the source material, it also went in some new directions - the neck break, the slightly more closeguarded Pa Kent, etc. But I think that's part of the appeal of Snyder - he was willing to bend convention slightly, take a few risks, and move the Superman mythos into the modern day and away from the Donner interpretations which have pervaded public consciousness for the last 30+ yrs.

Put it like this - Singer chose to try and emulate/continue the Donner universe, and look how that worked out.

Dawn of Justice is the origin of a new DC universe on film, and Snyder seems to be the right man to build that universe. I'm sure he wasn't just handed the reins that easily in any event - he must have had some ideas which impressed WB.

 

[steve4991]

Yeah the shot of Batman overlooking the city in the DoJ trailer did look funny. It looked like the cape and cowl were sitting on a coat hanger display. You couldn't really tell if it was a person on the other side. I also felt like the rifle silhouette was just tacked on there in post-production. If anything that shot should've been him on one knee over looking the city from more of a side angle with maybe the rifle slung around his back.

 

[matt47]

Thats what make it sad.It should have been addressesd in MOS.As such MOS remains incomplete because of that.


The avengers movie showed the heroes saving civilians during the Alien invasion and showed the worlds reaction to the invasion.It did not sweep it under the carpet


So because I agree that MOS has flaws I am a hater?Wow.Fanboy logic



There was mininimal civilain casulaties because the Avengers took measures to MINIMISE civilian casualty something Superman didnt do.Thats the complaint

But didn't you feel that the "measures" were a bit too convinient ? Like how

Spoiler

Fury came in at the last minute to save all the civilians on the city?

 

[steve4991]

Also, I read that today is Joker's official 75th anniversary?

"Hey, Mr. David Ayer......."

 

[Captain Shazam]

Well no, AOU did have mass destruction but pretty much no civilian was killed because they either magically missed the falling building or gun fire by an inch or they were all saved at the last second.

Stark vs Hulk alone might have squashed dozens of civillians and Stark cracked a joke over the dead bodies at some moment. Neither seemed to care about them (although I know the Hulk was being controled).

Don't see how this is 'addressing destruction instead of sweeping under the carpet.'

 

[ThePreface]

Fanboys aside, I think MoS will be one of those films that critics look back at and say "Damn, we were pretty harsh. This film stumbles and falls, but in time it will it be regarded as an important moment in cinematic history."

As an example look at The Shinning. Back when it was released it took a beating because critics were split. Today it's considered a classic.

 

[BatFan1979]

Yeah the shot of Batman overlooking the city in the DoJ trailer did look funny. It looked like the cape and cowl were sitting on a coat hanger display. You couldn't really tell if it was a person on the other side. I also felt like the rifle silhouette was just tacked on there in post-production. If anything that shot should've been him on one knee over looking the city from more of a side angle with maybe the rifle slung around his back.

Honestly, at first viewing of the teaser, I didn't notice that it was a rifle he was holding in that shot - I thought it was the antenna at the top of the tower and he was just standing next to it.

 

[WBwins]

But didn't you feel that the "measures" were a bit too convinient ? Like how

Spoiler

Fury came in at the last minute to save all the civilians on the city?

True.Ill give you that

 

[DarkKnight]

Honestly, at first viewing of the teaser, I didn't notice that it was a rifle he was holding in that shot - I thought it was the antenna at the top of the tower and he was just standing next to it.

I thought the same thing. I didn't notice any different until someone made a gif off it.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Also, I read that today is Joker's official 75th anniversary?

"Hey, Mr. David Ayer......."

It is also Selina Kyle/Catwoman's.

 

[WoodyROM]

Fanboys aside, I think MoS will be one of those films that critics look back at and say "Damn, we were pretty harsh. This film stumbles and falls, but in time it will it be regarded as an important moment in cinematic history."

As an example look at The Shinning. Back when it was released it took a beating because critics were split. Today it's considered a classic.

I agree with this. Down the road, most of these CBM's won't be discussed or remembered, but I think MOS most certainly will.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I'll never live to see the day the "Everything wrong with MOS" discussion seizes. Are you guys never bored of repeating the same points every f'n time just to make the same damn conclusions? It's a never ending, nightmarish cycle of Deja vu with MOS in these threads. It's enough to make someone go mad.

 

[steve4991]

I think the "MoS sucks" debates will never end because it's the one comic book movie everyone was hoping to be perfect.

 

[DarkKnight]

I'll never live to see the day the "Everything wrong with MOS" discussion seizes. Are you guys never bored of repeating the same points every f'n time just to make the same damn conclusions? It's a never ending, nightmarish cycle of Deja vu with MOS in these threads. It's enough to make someone go mad.

I started out just making a joke with a Haters gonna hate comment. Then it turned into the MOS bashing ad Marvel vs. DC thing again.

Like I said originally, I enjoy both films. and MOS is one of my top 5 Superhero films.

So to get back on track. Yes, I'm looking forward to BVS. I'm excited to see he story continued, how and where Batman come into play with the destruction left after MOS. I think this movie has the potential to have a lot of heart. Cannot wait.

 

[Micromind]

Difference between the shot in TDKR and BvS, is that the first one was filmed on the location in a real City whereas the second one inside a studio in front of a green screen, it feels less grand.

Snyder should have filmed more Batman shots on the location.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Difference between the shot in TDKR and BvS, is that the first one was filmed on the location in a real City whereas the second one inside a studio in front of a green screen, it feels less grand.

Snyder should have filmed more Batman shots on the location.

Not confirmed, but I think we can all agree that the scene with batman holding the rifle is based off of frank millers dkr, in which case batman will be firing a grappling hook to get inside the talk show building (like in the story). The concern of course is that joker won't make an appearance in the movie, so where is he grappling to?
Id also like to point out that recent leaks showed Leto in make up dressed in the iconic white suit he wore in dkr, the same suit he wore when he went on that talk show and gased everyone. You see where I'm going with this so I'll just shut up now

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Not really no. IMO it's clear they wanted a Director who was passionate about the source material, who knew the source material well, who has a track record of decent->good films (even with a few blips along the way, like most Directors) and Snyder ticks those boxes. The fact that he has an amazing eye for visuals is the cherry on top for these effects and visual-heavy superhero properties. He is very much to WB what Whedon is to Marvel.

MOS had a critically mixed response probably because, despite the fact it was fairly faithful to the source material, it also went in some new directions - the neck break, the slightly more closeguarded Pa Kent, etc. But I think that's part of the appeal of Snyder - he was willing to bend convention slightly, take a few risks, and move the Superman mythos into the modern day and away from the Donner interpretations which have pervaded public consciousness for the last 30+ yrs.

Put it like this - Singer chose to try and emulate/continue the Donner universe, and look how that worked out.

Dawn of Justice is the origin of a new DC universe on film, and Snyder seems to be the right man to build that universe. I'm sure he wasn't just handed the reins that easily in any event - he must have had some ideas which impressed WB.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't know, I think both shots look cool.

This is the problem with releasing trailers on the internet. People dissect ever minuscule thing. I'm certainly not above it either; I think that slow motion jump scene in the Avengers AOU trailer looks stupid as hell. But that thought probably wouldn't have crossed my mind if I hadn't seen it 5 million times in gif format.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I like the shot from the BvS trailer more.

 

[elgaz]

I love these shots, but am I the only one who watched them in Nolan's films and thought to myself ................ it must taken him ages to get up onto that tiny little precipice just so he can ........... y'know, look cool.

 

[Gee]

Oh, I see WBloseswins is back here.

 

[BatFan1979]

Difference between the shot in TDKR and BvS, is that the first one was filmed on the location in a real City whereas the second one inside a studio in front of a green screen, it feels less grand.

Snyder should have filmed more Batman shots on the location.

Yeah, I don't know about that. There is nothing about that BvS scene that screams "green screen" to me...I mean the lighting on the suit is better for sure, but that could have easily been accomplished on set with a helicopter light and camera.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I love these shots, but am I the only one who watched them in Nolan's films and thought to myself ................ it must taken him ages to get up onto that tiny little precipice just so he can ........... y'know, look cool.

 

[Guts]

I just realized that the thing that Holly Hunter said in the teaser about Power corrupts, is a paraphrase of this quote.
“Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.”

 

[WBwins]

Oh, I see WBloseswins is back here.

Sup tard.