BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 186

[GL's Light]

If there's a nightmare vision of the future the most likely means seem to me to be either Lex uses the holodeck-style Kryptonian technology to scare someone, maybe Holly Hunter's character, about what the future could hold, or Wonder Woman has a vision of the future that will unfold if she doesn't bring peace between Superman and Batman.

I can't see Bruce Wayne having a spontaneous vision at the start of the film.

 

[McbrideMike]

If there's a nightmare vision of the future the most likely means seem to me to be either Lex uses the holodeck-style Kryptonian technology to scare someone, maybe Holly Hunter's character, about what the future could hold, or Wonder Woman has a vision of the future that will unfold if she doesn't bring peace between Superman and Batman.

I can't see Bruce Wayne having a spontaneous vision at the start of the film.

That would actually make sense, and would explain her surfacing as WW in this film. Although I am not to sure how Supes and Bats fight would bring about Superman becoming a tyrant.

And it would be pretty out there for Lex to somehow create that whole vision and implant it in someone's mind. So it has to be either real life or a vision?

 

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[DaveMoral]

You will have your new angle in Batman v Superman. I´m just saying that we could balance things with some solo movies that was a little more centered in human criminality.

We had three movies. Two face and Scarecrow weren´t even fully explored. There are a lot of things that a new movie could do that the Nolan ones didn´t without having to make Batman fight supernatural beings.

Or, they could do Clay face and Man-Bat type horror stories starring Batman.

 

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I'm not seeing what that's supposed to be.

 

[GL's Light]

And it would be pretty out there for Lex to somehow create that whole vision and implant it in someone's mind.

Not if he had access to the Kryptonian technology Zod used in the first film. And it didn't seem to work on implanting visions into the mind. It was more like holodeck projections.

 

[SuperSanchez]

I'm not seeing what that's supposed to be.

I've created a monster D:

 

[McbrideMike]

Not if he had access to the Kryptonian technology Zod used in the first film. And it didn't seem to work on implanting visions into the mind. It was more like holodeck projections.

But does Lex have the ship or just the kryptonian body? Maybe even superman has this vision in the Fortress to warn him about his actions (fighting superman and his part destruction of the city)? It is just strange that the "vision" seems to focus mainly on batman and superman (at least to what we can tell from the trailer). So I would assume it would be one of them who sees it. If Lex showed it to someone else, it would not be so personally involved with batman, it would be on a more personal level if he wanted to scar that person.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

If there's a nightmare vision of the future the most likely means seem to me to be either Lex uses the holodeck-style Kryptonian technology to scare someone, maybe Holly Hunter's character, about what the future could hold, or Wonder Woman has a vision of the future that will unfold if she doesn't bring peace between Superman and Batman.

I can't see Bruce Wayne having a spontaneous vision at the start of the film.

This.

 

[GL's Light]

But does Lex have the ship or just the kryptonian body?

Dunno. Just spitballing the possibilities.

 

[Rapunzel]

Couldn't Bruce just have a good old fashioned regular nightmare about Supes? Clean and simple.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

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More???

 

[GL's Light]

Couldn't Bruce just have a good old fashioned regular nightmare about Supes? Clean and simple.

Doubt it. Not when the vision would be that elaborate.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

We know that Superman knows of the Hope Militia, that they are in some underground place in a desert environment. Superman doesn't seem too thrilled with their existence. His reaction when they bow seems to put a monkey wrench in the "future evil Superman vision" idea. Seems like the same Superman we've always seen. Humble. Borderline embarrassed for the praise...

Batman is dressed conspicuously. Gaslight Batman in the desert fighting for his life against the "Hope" Militia.. If it is a vision, it's likely being told to Bruce or it is Bruce's since I can't imagine Batman comes up in a vision about Superman's dictatorship if Bruce isn't in the conversation. So maybe Dianna shows him this or this is his fears envisioned for us... I think Batman's involvement rules out a scenario where Lex is telling this to the Senator. Even if Lex was talking about superheroes in general (the red capes) why would they be fighting each other? You'd want that I'd think from lex's pov... hence the actual events in the movie, segwaying to...


... the idea that it's live and part of the story and maybe Lex is behind the Hope Militia to drive a wedge in public opinion and as a cover to keep him clean. They seem to be truly devoted to Superman, but what could they be guarding in the desert that would lure both Supes and Bats there? Is that where they are holding Zod? In any event, if the Hope Militia are known in the world, perhaps this is what is driving the congressional hearings...

 

[Napoleon]

I can't believe I actually read an article that put WB/DC in the losers category of SDCC. They say it's because they didn't bring the whole Justice League or didn't announce anything big and because apparently fans thought Leto's Joker was a bust.

I guess some people will always find something to complain about when it comes to DC.

For the record, in the leaked footage I saw of Suicide Squad, everybody went ape**** over Leto.

 

[SuperSanchez]

Couldn't Bruce just have a good old fashioned regular nightmare about Supes? Clean and simple.

Come on, this is Hollywood we're talking about!

 

[craigdbfan]

Ben teasing that more BvS stuff is coming our way!

 

[Sam Kaczka]

Could Michael Shannon come back as a resurrected Zod?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

For the record, in the leaked footage I saw of Suicide Squad, everybody went ape**** over Leto.

I've seen nothing but positive reaction to SS and it was basically just a sizzle reel.

 

[Sam Kaczka]

Ben teasing that more BvS stuff is coming our way!

When/where/what are you talking about?

 

[craigdbfan]

When/where/what are you talking about?

Ben Affleck's twitter account.

 

[McbrideMike]

Couldn't Bruce just have a good old fashioned regular nightmare about Supes? Clean and simple.

That's kind of what I mean by vision. Although, many people seem to be against the idea.

Someone did mention to me a alternate possibility. Maybe it is a real life seen. Maybe Superman is not the one to join the militia group. Maybe in the seen of him walking through the hall of soldiers sporting his emblem is Superman coming to confront the leader, the one who banded them together. Maybe someone took it upon themselves to join the fraction and just maybe that fraction actually kills people in the name of superman, thinking they re helping them (similar to the costumed guys dressed as batman in TDK). And maybe the seen is after Batman and Superman have come together and went on a search to stop the leader. This is by far the wildest theory, but thought I would share nonetheless.

 

[GL's Light]

Could Michael Shannon come back as a resurrected Zod?

I don't think he'll be back as a live action performer, but if there's some kind of Frankenstein creation made from Zod's remains, whether it's Doomsday or something else, then he might provide the mo-cap performance for it.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Could Michael Shannon come back as a resurrected Zod?

Thomas Wayne's actor was a secret. Wasn't there some report that Shannon was onset at some point when they were in Michigan? Maybe it could be that he lay in a body bag. Wonder if he had more to do. I bet he does. Why report for that one shot? If he stays in that bag and isn't recognizable as "doomsday/bizzarro" that you'd never need to bring him in. Hmmmm

 

[Sam Kaczka]

Ben Affleck's twitter account.