BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - Part 216

[wnjcwjkk]

He's afraid of what Superman COULD do and doesn't want to wait to find out. I don't think this particular nightmare is what inspires Bruce to act against Supes, and we don't know at which point of the film this sequence will come.

But this nightmare is essentially the manifestation of Bruce's greatest fear, which is being completely powerless to save someone or stop someone from doing something terrible. It all boils down to his parents' death in Crime Alley when he was a boy and completely powerless to stop their killer, Joe Chill. As Batman, he's trained himself to be able to tackle nearly any obstacle or opponent, and to make sure that he would never be powerless to save someone again.

Superman, however, is something that I'm sure he feels powerless against, having seen what he is and what he can do. He recognizes and admits that Superman possesses the power to wipe out the entire human race. In this case, the entire planet is Crime Alley and Superman is Joe Chill.

Great post man. Didn't really think about it from that angle.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The teaser in reverse just because

Loves how he just looks at the other guys shackled up after superman flies away

Brilliant

 

[Rapunzel]

My thoughts on the teaser-- I think the "knightmare Batman" stuff is a dream. The desert stuff doesn't jive with the rest of the film visually.

As for the other expressions, I think Supes is just mad at Lex in that kneeling scene. I suspect Lex thinks he's got Supes beat, then angry Supes takes Lex down, without killing him like he did Zod, which would prove he can master his powers and be a trustworthy person Bats can team with.

And the expression at the hearing is probably anger that he's been called to a hearing, probably cause of a Lex frameup.

Alll in all, I just don't see the desert stuff being real at all. And if it is, I hope it's the real Supes, not a clone or mind control. Perhaps Lex kidnaps Lois and makes Supes think Bats did it?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't think I want to see a Superman vs Superman or v Superman lead up battle. We saw Zod already with same powers. Now a Bizarro/duplicate of same powers again?? Man I just don't know what to think of that now!

If it were Doomsday or Metallo or anything else... It wouldn't be that different now would it? Even the OMAC thing... Flight, super strength, a lazer eye, invulnerability... These are pretty common to most of the suggested villains. I don't see much variety of powers if that's a sticking point.

Plus... We have Zod's body and we know Lex is the one that has access to the Krypton tech, which includes the birthing tech. Just saying that there are pieces that can fit pretty well.

 

[jokesonm3]

Loves how he just looks at the other guys shackled up after superman flies away

Brilliant

"Did y'all see that?

 

[Herolee10]

He's afraid of what Superman COULD do and doesn't want to wait to find out. I don't think this particular nightmare is what inspires Bruce to act against Supes, and we don't know at which point of the film this sequence will come.

But this nightmare is essentially the manifestation of Bruce's greatest fear, which is being completely powerless to save someone or stop someone from doing something terrible. It all boils down to his parents' death in Crime Alley when he was a boy and completely powerless to stop their killer, Joe Chill. As Batman, he's trained himself to be able to tackle nearly any obstacle or opponent, and to make sure that he would never be powerless to save someone again.

Superman, however, is something that I'm sure he feels powerless against, having seen what he is and what he can do. He recognizes and admits that Superman possesses the power to wipe out the entire human race. In this case, the entire planet is Crime Alley and Superman is Joe Chill.

That's definitely a great way to summarize it all up.

I'd also imagine that the idea of what Superman could possibly do must bother the hell out of Batman, to the point where he's possibly willing to break his one rule of taking someone's life, more so than he's ever done with the Joker.

 

[Question]

Ok first off, THAT WAS F**KING AWESOME

Secondly, here are my thoughts on all this Bizarro/Mind Control/Dream stuff.

Now I do believe the sequence shown in the trailer is some kind of dream or vision, otherwise the movie would be too fricken bloated trying to explain how Superman or a Superman clone recruited an army and all this was somehow resolved by the end of the movie, I'm very sure it's not real.

I do think the shot of Superman kneeling in the trailer is because he's unable to fight against Lex because of Kryptonite or some kind of leverage.

And the look he has in the Senate Hearing is stern but nowhere near the rage he has in the teaser and that scene in the trailer. Plus there's no way regular Superman would just let an impostor stroll on in to the Senate Hearing. Setting up Lex somehow gaining Superman's DNA, making a clone, and somehow disabling Superman only for Superman to go free and then have to fight Batman would again bloat the film. The same goes for any kind of mind control plot.

So again, this sequence in the teaser is a dream or vision, the real Superman and Batman will fight not fake Superman vs Batman, and the likelihood of it being a clone or mind controlled Superman is low. I find Doomsday, OMAC, and Zod!Bizarro much more likely.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Was this a clue of evil Superman?

Thy bidding?

 

[fake]

"Did y'all see that?

"Did you see that? Anyone? No? Ok, I am off to sleep"

 

[jokesonm3]

"Did you see that? Anyone? No? Ok, I am off to sleep"

"Hey guys let's all go to sleep and pretend that we didn't just see that Bruce Wayne is Batman, ok? Cool."

 

[Black Narcissus]

lol

I'm glad I went back and kept my hype on check.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=32516215&postcount=664

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Lowkey wish the desert scenes were real.

 

[Micromind]

Red K ?

 

[Binker]

I really want this new trailer to have this: Superman centric, Superman dialogue, if the last one was more Batman than Superman, this one HAS TO BE more Superman than Batman. It is only fair.

Agree?

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Mark that time all!

I won't be able to catch it live like I didn't when he debuted the Civil War teaser.

 

[matt47]

I really want this new trailer to have this: Superman centric, Superman dialogue, if the last one was more Batman than Superman, this one HAS TO BE more Superman than Batman. It is only fair.

Agree?

Agreed. I hope this next trailer turns the tides and makes Batman look like the ass hat

 

[jokesonm3]

I won't be able to catch it live like I didn't when he debuted the Civil War teaser.

It's premiering at 5:35AM on a thursday in London.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I really want this new trailer to have this: Superman centric, Superman dialogue, if the last one was more Batman than Superman, this one HAS TO BE more Superman than Batman. It is only fair.

Agree?

Agreed. I hope this next trailer turns the tides and makes Batman look like the ass hat

Were the previous trailers "centric" to either? Outside of some wanting more Superman dialog I don't see the teaser or the first trailer as being more about one over the other at all.

 

[matt47]

Were the previous trailers "centric" to either? Outside of some wanting more Superman dialog I don't see the teaser or the first trailer as being more about one over the other at all.

I agree that they weren't centric, they both were extremely even in imagery. But I'd like for Superman to have as much dialogue as Bruce did in the last trailer.

 

[DaJanksta]

I loved it thought it looked cool. Made a mistake and went to neogaf. So much negativity. Jesus I can't stand people.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Smokes from gandalf pipe.

What if that was metallo?

 

[matt47]

I loved it thought it looked cool. Made a mistake and went to neogaf. So much negativity. Jesus I can't stand people.

Stay here my friend...stay here..

 

[Clark-Kent]

The red capes are coming. Lex discussing that there is more than one Superman?

 

[Tensor]

The full trailer is gonna be continuing on from the scene in this sneak peek. You know what would be funny? Right after Supes drops the mask he proceeds to snap Batsy's neck, thus continuing the tradition of necksnapping. XD

 

[Black Narcissus]

I agree that they weren't centric, they both were extremely even in imagery. But I'd like for Superman to have as much dialogue as Bruce did in the last trailer.

Bruce Wayne: Twenty years in Gotham... how many good guys are left? How many stay that way?He has the power to wipe out the entire human race. I have to destroy him.

Clark Kent: This bat vigilante, he's like a one man reign of terror.

Eh, not by much.