BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 223

[jokesonm3]

Preach!

I don't particularly hate Mark Hughes but that other D-Bag Scott Mendelson of Forbes i hate for constantly bashing BvS!

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Both those guys are fanboys (one for and one against). I think it's hilarious that Forbes magazine has columns like those.

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That's the way I would have gone about it. It's not a huge thing but if you do think on I it sort of undercuts Superman's character. It makes him look a little foolish.

Well the whole world was just attacked and are looking for answers. To have Superman rob the world of that not be wise imo.

Plus, shouldn't Earth be learning about other worlds, possibly building up their defences against other alien worlds, etc? The government's scientists could probably do a lot more good with it than Clark could. Is it Clark's fault if a scared manipulated Senator Finch lands it in the hands of a man that she had no reason to believe was insane?

It is a tricky situation however, similar to the whole idea of whether or not to expose the world to the Kryptonians' existence in MOS. What is the greater good?

 

[morningmimosa]

I can't believe what I just read... Basically, a few people are saying WW is a rip off of Cap, she's using a shield, DC copying Marvel etc.

People are dumb as sheet (especially that special species that is lurking in YTs comments section), even more so since CBMs have become such a big thing. Everyone thinks he's/she's an expert now.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm beginning to wonder of where the spacship is will eventually become watchtower

 

[Angel0fDeath]

I think Alfred is not happy with Bruce's methods and this is him throwing the paper in front of Bruce like "What the hell is this ? Bat branding ?"

 

[jokesonm3]

Btw if you think the trailer for BvS was tone-wise off then remember that Batman Begins did the same thing too.

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[KRYPTON INC.]

I think Alfred is not happy with Bruce's methods and this is him throwing the paper in front of Bruce like "What the hell is this ? Bat branding ?"

Hmm... Yeah. Could be the moment when we get him talking abou men being cruel.

 

[Marz69]

Just a reminder everyone that this pic is out there. This really makes me think what we are seeing isn't the true Lex.

does anyone here know what the name of the artwork is? Is that the angel michael?

 

[dario2739]

I can't believe what I just read... Basically, a few people are saying WW is a rip off of Cap, she's using a shield, DC copying Marvel etc.

Shocking... and you know what Snyder's got form... I watched 300 recently and there were thousands of soldiers carrying shields... they were all ripping off Cap!

 

[AnneFan]

Hmm... Yeah. Could be the moment when we get him talking abou men being cruel.

Makes sense. Good thinking.

 

[nikdavies15]

Afternoon everyone. It's been a long time since I commented on anything on the boards, but I hope you all give me your thoughts.

I don't know if this has been brought up in the multitudes of pages after the last trailer was released, but I wanted to share a few thoughts based on all the sudden theories and criticisms - especially after watching soooo many YouTube vloggers and their reactions/reviews.

Some people have criticised the 'Who's that/you must be new' exchange at the start of the trailer, suggesting that Clark isn't that great a reporter if he doesn't know Bruce Wayne. This made me think of the film's timeline, and we know Synder isn't afraid to chop back and forth, or leap into the future. This got me thinking of the very early set photos we saw of Cavill in production with a beard filming new fortress of solitude scenes, which fuelled speculation about Superman going into hiding. This makes me believe that perhaps Supes and Bats duke it out on more than one occasion. Once around the time of the hearing, when he his blamed for the destruction of Metropolis, and Batman comes along to make sure he gets the picture that he's not wanted. Superman loses and goes into hiding.

Then, much later in the movie, and after some soul searching that involves the scene with Ma Kent, Supes comes back and this is when we see Batman shooting at him in the Batwing, and then Superman pulls the covers off the Batmobile...and they truce. This is backed (for me anyway) by the fact that we've only seen Kent in the clothes he wore when speaking to Perry White, and then at the party. No other Clark Kent mild mannered reporter images...but we have seen plenty of Bruce Wayne in a number of suits, etc.

Then we have Doomsday. I know opinion is split and I also hope, like many others, that the rendering/design will improve before the movie hits our screens. I also believe that he's not the biggest reveal, and I also believe this interpretation leans on the New 52 version of Doomsday...who was put in the Phantom Zone originally by Zod. This Doomsday never killed Superman, involves Supergirl in his origin story (remember we're missing a Kryptonian from the scout ship too) was revealed on earth for the first time to Wonder Woman, and was released from the Phantom Zone by Brainiac...who I think is the movie's big reveal for the formation of The Justice League.

So, in short, I think Superman and Batman fight twice, with Batman winning at first, and then calling a truce in the second fight after Superman returns from exile. During his exile, other 'heroes' start to show up (just like Waller hints at in Suicide Squad about Superman being a 'beacon'), and Superman returns (ahem) when all starts to break loose thanks to Luthor opening the Phantom Zone, and Brainiac releasing Doomsday on the world.

Any thoughts?

 

[rogbngp]

I think for sure it is. I think it's been kept where it crashed, and Luthor has access to it. NOW... Why the hell Superman allowed that? That I can't say. I think it's sloppy to have it that Superman didn't have the foresight to see how we as a species aren't ready for that kind of technology. C'mon Supes... You ain't ever seen Star Trek? Prime Directive man!

Joking aside, I have no problem thinking Superman couldn't recover every last scrap of K-tech, but just leaving the ship there? No. That's sloppy writing to me, but I think for sure that's what we are getting and there's no good explanation for it, so far, that I can think of. Plus... His father told him to help guide Earth AWAY from Krypton's destiny. Leaving all that K-tech, ESPECIALLY the Birthing Chamber, is just tempting fate. I get the need for such a contrivance but... It's not at all what I would have done. It makes Superman look very short sighted.

Man, I could not agree more with this! Following the Black Zero event, the first order of business for Supes would be to get that scout ship out of there--and imo not just to keep it out of the military's hands but also to make it into his own Fortress of Solitude. Kal had (nearly) cut the ship in half with his heat vision, but it is shown at the end of the Man of Steel Prequel comic that Kryptonian scout ships have the ability to heal or repair themselves via advanced bio-tech. The very scout ship that we see in MoS has in fact repaired itself following catastrophic damage that forced it to crash land. That comic is directly tied to the film.

The film is going to have to provide a satisfying explanation for why Superman has allowed the military to commandeer the scout ship!

 

[rogbngp]

There are several reasons why the Scout Ship couldn't be or wasn't hauled away by Supes.

First and foremost is that it being in U.S. territory, the military must have classified it under the property of U.S. government. I know, Supes could easily ignore all of it but that would go against him trying to make the government trust him.

Second reason is that the laws of physics would not allow Supes to lift and carry it off into another location. Not because I'm implying he doesn't have the raw strength to do so but that kind of massive structure itself would collapse and break apart under its own weight. Refer to the oil rig scene where many people idiotically come to the conclusion that Supes wasn't strong enough to keep it from falling when the truth is, it would've fallen anyway because the structure on which Supes was standing on wouldn't (and as we saw, didn't) bear that much disproportionate weight.

According to the prequel comic for the film the ship has once already self-repaired (it has Kryptonian 'self-healing' bio-tech) following catastrophic damage when it crashed on earth 18,000 years ago.

And in this scene shortly after the Black Zero disaster it seems that Supes isn't particularly interested in cooperating with the military. However maybe he does soon thereafter strike a deal of some sort with them (foolishly) that allows them access to the scout ship. I'll be very disappointed if that's what happened though. I know he's still green as a superhero then, but come on Supes!

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[dario2739]

Man, I could not agree more with this! Following the Black Zero event, the first order of business for Supes would be to get that scout ship out of there--and imo not just to keep it out of the military's hands but also to make it into his own Fortress of Solitude. Kal had (nearly) cut the ship in half with his heat vision, but it is shown at the end of the Man of Steel Prequel comic that Kryptonian scout ships have the ability to heal or repair themselves via advanced bio-tech. The very scout ship that we see in MoS has in fact repaired itself following catastrophic damage that forced it to crash land. That comic is directly tied to the film.

The film is going to have to provide a satisfying explanation for why Superman has allowed the military to commandeer the scout ship!

From the glimpses we see in the trailer, it looks like a structure has been built around the ship, so it's probably there on display as part of the memorial. Superman has probably left it in situ as a sign of good faith, to prove to humanity that he's not a threat, but there to help.
Also in regard to Luthor having access to the ship –*the we already know that he's being portrayed as a 'Mark Zuckerberg' type, young, forward thinking entrepaneur – Superman/Clark will probably only find out the evil behind the facade during the movie.

 

[jfurioso]

Lex losing his hair.

For all we know, Lex is the one who becomes Doomsday.

 

[matt47]

Hmm... Yeah. Could be the moment when we get him talking abou men being cruel.

Oh course! I really hope that's the case.

 

[rogbngp]

Btw, if Superman has made some sort of poorly considered deal with the military, that would for me fuel my speculation that a big part of Batman's motivation to take down Superman might be based in concerns about Superman's alliance with the military industrial complex. It seems from the mock Fortune magazine interview with Lex that Wayne Industries cut ties with the military about a decade before the start of BvS. If this Batman was like the Batman in the Nolanverse (e.g., Lucius Fox heading a secret R&D division for the military), anyway, Bruce got out of the game. Otherwise he's steered clear of weapons development for the military. I guess he has seen all too often that power invariably corrupts. I'm thinking also that Batman must be aware of Cadmus and Amanda Waller's program, and he could be imagining what bad things the government could do with a weaponized Superman. I had thought that Lex would create an evil clone that would do bad things and provide the tipping point for Batman to "go to war." But if we're going to see a Franken-ZodDoomsday then that is probably going to the cloning well a bit too often. But then again, Kryptonian tech is all about cloning. So viewed that way it might not be considered overuse, I guess. It's just illustrating the really bad stuff that can result from that tech falling into the wrong hands.

All of this btw drives home why the JL needs to come into existence. It is not just to defend against inter-dimensional and extra-terrestrial threats. It is also to place a check on how earthly governmental forces will use such technology in their own right. The threats are both internal and external. And there's probably nobody better equipped to handle the internal threats than Batman. Which is also a reason that I expect to see Jena Malone as Oracle in BvS.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Man, I could not agree more with this! Following the Black Zero event, the first order of business for Supes would be to get that scout ship out of there--and imo not just to keep it out of the military's hands but also to make it into his own Fortress of Solitude. Kal had (nearly) cut the ship in half with his heat vision, but it is shown at the end of the Man of Steel Prequel comic that Kryptonian scout ships have the ability to heal or repair themselves via advanced bio-tech. The very scout ship that we see in MoS has in fact repaired itself following catastrophic damage that forced it to crash land. That comic is directly tied to the film.

The film is going to have to provide a satisfying explanation for why Superman has allowed the military to commandeer the scout ship!

Just because he doesn't want the government to know his identity doesn't mean he doesn't trust them with anything.

Besides, the world already has the power to destroy itself in an instant. Kryptonian technology isn't going to change that.

If he took away the Kryptonian technology and robbed the people of Earth's chance of learning more about their invaders, all it would do is create more fear towards his own presence on Earth.

 

[KillerWolf]

I think Alfred is not happy with Bruce's methods and this is him throwing the paper in front of Bruce like "What the hell is this ? Bat branding ?"

I think you may be right.

 

[Knightfall]

Btw if you think the trailer for BvS was tone-wise off then remember that Batman Begins did the same thing too.

[YT]yM3_e6o6p3I[/YT]

This is a very good point. The BvS trailer wasn't great but at least it wasn't shown as some sappy romance being played to nickleback..... Yeesh

 

[Citadel30]

Afternoon everyone. It's been a long time since I commented on anything on the boards, but I hope you all give me your thoughts.

I don't know if this has been brought up in the multitudes of pages after the last trailer was released, but I wanted to share a few thoughts based on all the sudden theories and criticisms - especially after watching soooo many YouTube vloggers and their reactions/reviews.

Some people have criticised the 'Who's that/you must be new' exchange at the start of the trailer, suggesting that Clark isn't that great a reporter if he doesn't know Bruce Wayne. This made me think of the film's timeline, and we know Synder isn't afraid to chop back and forth, or leap into the future. This got me thinking of the very early set photos we saw of Cavill in production with a beard filming new fortress of solitude scenes, which fuelled speculation about Superman going into hiding. This makes me believe that perhaps Supes and Bats duke it out on more than one occasion. Once around the time of the hearing, when he his blamed for the destruction of Metropolis, and Batman comes along to make sure he gets the picture that he's not wanted. Superman loses and goes into hiding.

Then, much later in the movie, and after some soul searching that involves the scene with Ma Kent, Supes comes back and this is when we see Batman shooting at him in the Batwing, and then Superman pulls the covers off the Batmobile...and they truce. This is backed (for me anyway) by the fact that we've only seen Kent in the clothes he wore when speaking to Perry White, and then at the party. No other Clark Kent mild mannered reporter images...but we have seen plenty of Bruce Wayne in a number of suits, etc.

Then we have Doomsday. I know opinion is split and I also hope, like many others, that the rendering/design will improve before the movie hits our screens. I also believe that he's not the biggest reveal, and I also believe this interpretation leans on the New 52 version of Doomsday...who was put in the Phantom Zone originally by Zod. This Doomsday never killed Superman, involves Supergirl in his origin story (remember we're missing a Kryptonian from the scout ship too) was revealed on earth for the first time to Wonder Woman, and was released from the Phantom Zone by Brainiac...who I think is the movie's big reveal for the formation of The Justice League.

So, in short, I think Superman and Batman fight twice, with Batman winning at first, and then calling a truce in the second fight after Superman returns from exile. During his exile, other 'heroes' start to show up (just like Waller hints at in Suicide Squad about Superman being a 'beacon'), and Superman returns (ahem) when all starts to break loose thanks to Luthor opening the Phantom Zone, and Brainiac releasing Doomsday on the world.

Any thoughts?

Nice post! Thats an interesting plot and if it plays out like this, i wouldnt be upset.

 

[Lily Adler]

I can't believe what I just read... Basically, a few people are saying WW is a rip off of Cap, she's using a shield, DC copying Marvel etc.

John Campea made a snarky comment about it as well. "Hey Wonder Woman, Captain America called he wants his shield back".

 

[rogbngp]

From the glimpses we see in the trailer, it looks like a structure has been built around the ship, so it's probably there on display as part of the memorial. Superman has probably left it in situ as a sign of good faith, to prove to humanity that he's not a threat, but there to help.
Also in regard to Luthor having access to the ship –*the we already know that he's being portrayed as a 'Mark Zuckerberg' type, young, forward thinking entrepaneur – Superman/Clark will probably only find out the evil behind the facade during the movie.

Yeah, it does appear that that's what has happened, but I'm just arguing that Superman would be an idiot for letting that take place. Maybe that helps illustrate why the Big Blue Boy Scout needs the cynical Batman as a counterweight.

 

[rogbngp]

Just because he doesn't want the government to know his identity doesn't mean he doesn't trust them with anything.

Besides, the world already has the power to destroy itself in an instant. Kryptonian technology isn't going to change that.

If he took away the Kryptonian technology and robbed the people of Earth's chance of learning more about their invaders, all it would do is create more fear towards his own presence on Earth.

I guess it can be rationalized that way. But I'll bet the film will show that in hindsight if that's what Superman did he was woefully mistaken.

Although, I disagree that Kryptonian tech falling into the government's hands doesn't increase the risk level for the planet. I think it does. We may have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[SuperKnight97]

John Campea made a snarky comment about it as well. "Hey Wonder Woman, Captain America called he wants his shield back".

Wow, because if any character from now on uses a shield then they are automatically a rip off of Captain America. #GivetherightsbacktoMarvel.