BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 229

[rogbngp]

Nah. He goes out of the way to call her out every chance he gets.

His comment the last time I checked about her having her own poster. He's worried that Wonder Woman is taking away from the Batman v Superman aspect of the movie, but on the same token goes on about being extremely worried that WB is keeping Gal Gadot in the shadows by not showing us any of her dialogue from the movie because they lack confidence in Gal Gadot.

?! She has her own damn poster and they're shooting her movie right at this very second. It's obviously not because of lack of confidence. She might not have dialogue because her role might be integral to the last act of the film (ironically would show too much if they do) and WB needs to capitalize on finally having WW on the big screen. I won't criticize WB for that. I want that WW poster.

When they showed the BvS trailer at the showing of TFA that I attended, there were literally spontaneous gasps of excitement at the sight of WW in that epic money shot. There was no reaction to ST: Beyond, CA:CW, XM: Apocalypse, Tarzan, Jungle Book--but that scene really seemed to excite the audience. If Gal Gadot pulls this off I think she will fill the void left by Xena, but at a whole new level of popularity.

It almost feels like Campea is having trouble letting go of his disappointment that the person he wanted for the role wasn't chosen. I do think he'll sack up though, assuming that Gal really knocks it.

 

[rogbngp]

Agree with Radiosha in wondering if we'll learn on the 19th about who will be cast as GL. That would rock.

 

[MaceB]

Campea's criticisms of the trailer are flawed because he is criticizing the film for not fulfilling his expectations of it being a Batman vs Superman strictly, when that is not the whole point of the film. It would be like criticizing Avengers Age of Ultron for focusing on Ultron in the marketing and not the Avengers, despite Ultron being a clear key point of the film.

Agreed. You take and critique a movie based on its own goals and what it wants to be. But when it comes to MOS and BvS, a lot of people criticize because it's not what they wanted or how they would have done it. Well that falls into the tough s*** category. When you walk into the theatre, expectation goes out the door, and you allow the filmmakers to tell you the story that they want to tell. If that means a zod doomsday satellite controlled monster, then so be it. If it's done well, I'll take it.

 

[RadioSha]

When they showed the BvS trailer at the showing of TFA that I attended, there were literally spontaneous gasps of excitement at seeing WW in that epic money shot. There was no reaction to ST: Beyond, CA:CW, XM: Apocalypse, Tarzan, Jungle Book--but that scene really seemed to excite the audience. If Gal Gadot pulls this off I think she will fill the void left by Xena, but at a whole new level of fandom.

It almost feels like Campea is having trouble letting go of his disappointment that the person he wanted for the role wasn't chosen. I do think he'll sack up though, assuming that Gal really knocks it.

Same in my first viewing of TFA. No applause though (why would they?), but some audible "that's what I'm talking about" and "oh yeah" in the crowd. Oh and I was too young when Hercules and Xena was a thing

Campea's not a bad guy and he'll mostly own up to some misconceptions (unlike some Hollywood Heroics). But at this moment, no more Campea for me. It just doesn't point to the direction that Gal will be a disaster that some thinks she will be. I'll wait and see.

 

[Neonzel]

Anyways, back to Batman v Superman. Do you think they'll announce Green Lantern actor in the 2 hour special?

Man I hope, that along with concept art for the JL (just a group shot). So we have an idea how Flash, GL and the others look.

 

[jmc]

Campea's criticisms of the trailer are flawed because he is criticizing the film for not fulfilling his expectations of it being a Batman vs Superman strictly, when that is not the whole point of the film. It would be like criticizing Avengers Age of Ultron for focusing on Ultron in the marketing and not the Avengers, despite Ultron being a clear key point of the film.

Campea likes nothing more than the sound of his own voice, however I think where he's coming from is that the film is sending two different messages regarding what it's about. This leads to a potential problem in terms of what the film's focus actually is. Is this meant to be a Batman/Superman story or a Justice League story? If it's both then the question has to be asked is that going to affect how the narrative flows, because on paper if you're got more than one storyline the potential exists for both storylines to not reach their full potential, basically leaving you with a film that is overstuffed with content, none of which is 100% satisfying.

 

[rogbngp]

I want definitive confirmation that the entire plot leak story is a hoax so I can go read it for s***s and giggles.

 

[Neonzel]

When they showed the BvS trailer at the showing of TFA that I attended, there were literally spontaneous gasps of excitement at the sight of WW in that epic money shot. There was no reaction to ST: Beyond, CA:CW, XM: Apocalypse, Tarzan, Jungle Book--but that scene really seemed to excite the audience. If Gal Gadot pulls this off I think she will fill the void left by Xena, but at a whole new level of popularity.

It almost feels like Campea is having trouble letting go of his disappointment that the person he wanted for the role wasn't chosen. I do think he'll sack up though, assuming that Gal really knocks it.

Yeah I think still a little angry about Jamie Alexander not being WW, especially after how hard he was campaigning for her.

 

[Captain Shazam]

I want definitive confirmation that the entire plot leak story is a hoax so I can go read it for s***s and giggles.

I don't think it will happen.

 

[rogbngp]

Campea likes nothing more than the sound of his own voice, however I think where he's coming from is that the film is sending two different messages regarding what it's about. This leads to a potential problem in terms of what the film's focus actually is. Is this meant to be a Batman/Superman story or a Justice League story? If it's both then the question has to be asked is that going to affect how the narrative flows, because on paper if you're got more than one storyline the potential exists for both storylines to not reach their full potential, basically leaving you with a film that is overstuffed with content, none of which is 100% satisfying.

That's a fair concern to raise but there is really no reason that I can see that, let's say, 2/3 of the film is focused pretty squarely on Batman v Superman, and the final third is about them joining forces with WW to defeat Doomsday and launch the JL. I trust Snyder to pull that off.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Campea likes nothing more than the sound of his own voice, however I think where he's coming from is that the film is sending two different messages regarding what it's about. This leads to a potential problem in terms of what the film's focus actually is. Is this meant to be a Batman/Superman story or a Justice League story? If it's both then the question has to be asked is that going to affect how the narrative flows, because on paper if you're got more than one storyline the potential exists for both storylines to not reach their full potential, basically leaving you with a film that is overstuffed with content, none of which is 100% satisfying.

I don't believe they are two separate stories, though. The "Dawn of Justice" can be a natural extension of the "Batman v Superman".

 

[Urich Leeds]

I unsubscribed from Collider Movie Talk because of Campea's constant unreasonable bashing on Gal Gadot.

But he's right here. No need to believe it's real... Having said that- the stuff in it makes me quite excited tbh

To bd fair, the leaker from today posted evidence (or what he claims is evidence) that he atrended a WB screening. We have no reason to doubt that he attended some sort of WB screening.

This guy has done more to prove his legitimacy than other so called leaks. And LR and Mayimbe say a screening did happen last night.

That said, I dont think anyone should take this as truth.

 

[RadioSha]

Campea likes nothing more than the sound of his own voice, however I think where he's coming from is that the film is sending two different messages regarding what it's about. This leads to a potential problem in terms of what the film's focus actually is. Is this meant to be a Batman/Superman story or a Justice League story? If it's both then the question has to be asked is that going to affect how the narrative flows, because on paper if you're got more than one storyline the potential exists for both storylines to not reach their full potential, basically leaving you with a film that is overstuffed with content, none of which is 100% satisfying.

It's gotta be both. For a two and a half hour film, that's definitely doable. Campea's said numerous times in his little editorial videos that if BvS is to succeed, it has to focus solely on the conflict between Bats and Supes- that's his opinion, not mine.

Right there he cornered himself. That's a lot of where his commentary stems from.

 

[jmc]

That's a fair concern to raise but there is really no reason that I can see that, let's say, 2/3 of the film is focused pretty squarely on Batman v Superman, and the final third is about them joining forces with WW to defeat Doomsday and launch the JL. I trust Snyder to pull that off.

The potential exists though that you could end up with what is essentially two movies crammed into one, neither of which fulfills their promise.

 

[rogbngp]

I don't believe they are two separate stories, though. The "Dawn of Justice" can be a natural extension of the "Batman v Superman".

Even moreso, perhaps the BvS part will be absolutely integral to the reason that JL forms.

 

[rogbngp]

The potential exists though that you could end up with what is essentially two movies crammed into one, neither of which fulfills their promise.

This is true, and it is a valid concern for sure.

I have my own theory about what's motivating both Batman and Superman (respectively), though, which puts them in conflict in addition to Lex's machinations, and which speaks directly to the reason that they will conclude that JL must form. That is, I'm expecting the BvS story to actually show why a JL needs to form.

 

[jokesonm3]

Really hope they show us some concept art of the Flash costume or Cyborg costume or even the GL casting.

 

[Marvin]

Classic case of expectation vs speculation.

The thing with Campea is that he has this platform where he can just spew these things on a daily basis. Which is contagious if you're an idiot. And there are a lot of idiots in this world.

Anyways, back to Batman v Superman. Do you think they'll announce Green Lantern actor in the 2 hour special?

It is pretty interesting watching things with platforms spread across the internet these days. Especially to those that aren't 'hip' enough to digest things as everyone else. You would hope the Randolph's and Campeas of the world would at least try and be more responsible with their rants and speculation. Grace would have us believe rdj really wants to punch evans teeth in? I suppose they can do as they please.

I was at work the other day and I heard the term Mary Sue come up several times. Crazy times we live in.
#The Internet.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Even moreso, perhaps the BvS part will be absolutely integral to the reason that JL forms.

Agreed. Confronting each other brings them face to face and also helps them realize that there are greater threats that are better faced together.

 

[jmc]

I don't believe they are two separate stories, though. The "Dawn of Justice" can be a natural extension of the "Batman v Superman".

An extension that could work in it's own right in another movie. The biggest obstacle, and I think this is where Campea is coming from, is that you need a smooth transition within the same film in order to pull that off. It's a natural step for Superman and Batman to work together in the third act of a BvS movie, but when you start putting in other characters that's where you've got to tread carefully. It becomes execution dependant because if you throw more characters in the final act who don't really service a purpose in the first two acts you end up with an Iron Man 2 situation where you've got a Black Widow type character who does nothing other than fight at the end.

 

[jokesonm3]

I still believe that Wonder Woman will be the bridge that ends the feud between Batman and Superman.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

The potential exists though that you could end up with what is essentially two movies crammed into one, neither of which fulfills their promise.

I don't think that will be the case, though. The Dawn of Justice will most likely just be the resolution of the film and the set up for the JL movie. Does anyone actually believe they're trying to make this a full fledged JL movie?

 

[rogbngp]

Really hope they show us some concept art of the Flash costume or Cyborg costume or even the GL casting.

One thing I would dearly love to see a poster of the entire JL for Justice league: Part 1. All of the actors in costume assembled together. But I don't think we'll get that until after BvS is released.

 

[jmc]

If you actually think about it the title of the film is somewhat contradictory. A 'vs' film that is also a team up movie.

 

[rogbngp]

I still believe that Wonder Woman will be the bridge that ends the feud between Batman and Superman.

Yup.