The Amazing Spider-Man Amazing Spidey Video Game Thread. - - - - - Part 14

[spida-man]

...Still a lie.

And do you think casual movie goers knew about his fate?

It was a very stupid move on their behalf. They couldn't wait to make their profit, so they released it earlier than they should have.

Agreed. And even as a hardcore fan I wasn't sure if Captain Stacy was actually gonna die, but the game spoiled that for me

Not a lie.

Honestly casual movie goers don't even know that there is a game and most likely probably don't even give a damn.

this day in age, casual movie goers are idiots and need things spelled out for them.

Also how can u claim to be a hardcore fan ant NOT know that Captain Stacy was gonna die for sure. There are set pics of his death AND if u know anything about the death of the Stacys u should know he is gonna die. That's liek the equevalant of saying u don't know for sure if Gwen is gonna die in the film series or not.

Also funny how you guys are whining about spoilers in a SPOILER thread....

 

[spida-man]

the logic of some ppl on the hype...seriously

 

[Anno_Domini]

"Casual movie goers are idiots".

Yah....that explains why Avatar, the Transformers films and Spider-Man 3 made so much money

 

[AF3619]

"Casual movie goers are idiots".

Yah....that explains why Avatar, the Transformers films and Spider-Man 3 made so much money

 

[Troy_Parker]

Not a lie.

Honestly casual movie goers don't even know that there is a game and most likely probably don't even give a damn.

this day in age, casual movie goers are idiots and need things spelled out for them.

Also how can u claim to be a hardcore fan ant NOT know that Captain Stacy was gonna die for sure. There are set pics of his death AND if u know anything about the death of the Stacys u should know he is gonna die. That's liek the equevalant of saying u don't know for sure if Gwen is gonna die in the film series or not.

Also funny how you guys are whining about spoilers in a SPOILER thread....

the logic of some ppl on the hype...seriously

Jesus Christ, we're not whining.

I've been following this movie since day one, I knew about Stacy's faith the second we saw set pics of Gwen at a funeral... and the leaked pic of a very beat up looking Captain Stacy.

Why do you jump to conclusions so quickly? This isn't the first time I've seen you do this either, it's like talking to a child. You can't have your way, so everyone else must be stupid. Right, right?

It doesn't matter whether or not casual moviegoers care about the spoilers, the fact remains that they lied when they said that there weren't any major spoilers/any spoilers.

Within the first 10 minutes of the game you find out that Connors is in a cell and Connors killed Stacy as the Lizard. That's basically the ending of the movie.

If I tell you that the sky is green and you don't care, does that change the fact that I'm lying to you?

No.

 

[spida-man]

"Casual movie goers are idiots".

Yah....that explains why Avatar, the Transformers films and Spider-Man 3 made so much money

Sure does!

 

[spida-man]

Jesus Christ, we're not whining.

I've been following this movie since day one, I knew about Stacy's faith the second we saw set pics of Gwen at a funeral... and the leaked pic of a very beat up looking Captain Stacy.

Why do you jump to conclusions so quickly? This isn't the first time I've seen you do this either, it's like talking to a child. You can't have your way, so everyone else must be stupid. Right, right?

It doesn't matter whether or not casual moviegoers care about the spoilers, the fact remains that they lied when they said that there weren't any major spoilers/any spoilers.

Within the first 10 minutes of the game you find out that Connors is in a cell and Connors killed Stacy as the Lizard. That's basically the ending of the movie.

If I tell you that the sky is green and you don't care, does that change the fact that I'm lying to you?

No.

You need to stop getting so butt hurt over ever comment I make.

Like I said if you've been following this film since day one there is no point in whining about "spoilers" in the game.

Those of us smart enough to pay attention around here already realized That Connors was gonna be locked up and that Captain Stacy died from viewing set pics and trailers.

So again: lie or no lie, why the freck should we as hard core fans wh already knew what was going to happen and already knew that TASM game was a SEQUEL to the film and willing chose to view SPOILERS in a SPOILER THREAD and willing chose to play the game BEFORE seeing the film, whine and moan "whaaaaa TASM game spoiled stuff, Beenox lied! blah blah blah"?

Seriously...you knew this stuff already. Why even whine.

And you are blaming Beenox as a whole for a mistake like 2 reps made.

When the head of Beenox himself said for hardcore fans it won't spoil too much but if you don't want anythign spoiled watch the film first.

Dee Brown himself said that in one of the vids from like 2 months ago.

Now true it sucks for "casual" movie goers. But honestly Why would we care when we are the fans, the REAL ppl that matter. (not saying causal ppl don't)

And honestly i doubt there are as many movie goers that are all "ERMIGAWD THERE IS A VIDEO GAME I WANTZ TO PLAY IT"

Heck there are still plenty of movie goers who either A: think this is SM4

or B: don't want to see it cause in their mind the only films that matter are Raimi's

 

[spida-man]

"Casual movie goers are idiots".

Yah....that explains why Avatar, the Transformers films and Spider-Man 3 made so much money

Not to mention Nolan's Batman films!

 

[Anno_Domini]

Sure does!

Not to mention Nolan's Batman films!

So you replied once....than tried to think of some snarky comeback 20 minutes later.

I could bring up the newest Spidey film now, but...no need to start some argument on here

 

[Arun1910]

Don't you hate it when you start reading a sentence and it doesn't end how you think it's testicles.

 

[SpiderMarvelite]

Don't you hate it when you start reading a sentence and it doesn't end how you think it's testicles.

 

[Troy_Parker]

You need to stop getting so butt hurt over ever comment I make.

Like I said if you've been following this film since day one there is no point in whining about "spoilers" in the game.

Those of us smart enough to pay attention around here already realized That Connors was gonna be locked up and that Captain Stacy died from viewing set pics and trailers.

So again: lie or no lie, why the freck should we as hard core fans wh already knew what was going to happen and already knew that TASM game was a SEQUEL to the film and willing chose to view SPOILERS in a SPOILER THREAD and willing chose to play the game BEFORE seeing the film, whine and moan "whaaaaa TASM game spoiled stuff, Beenox lied! blah blah blah"?

Seriously...you knew this stuff already. Why even whine.

And you are blaming Beenox as a whole for a mistake like 2 reps made.

When the head of Beenox himself said for hardcore fans it won't spoil too much but if you don't want anythign spoiled watch the film first.

Dee Brown himself said that in one of the vids from like 2 months ago.

Now true it sucks for "casual" movie goers. But honestly Why would we care when we are the fans, the REAL ppl that matter. (not saying causal ppl don't)

And honestly i doubt there are as many movie goers that are all "ERMIGAWD THERE IS A VIDEO GAME I WANTZ TO PLAY IT"

Heck there are still plenty of movie goers who either A: think this is SM4

or B: don't want to see it cause in their mind the only films that matter are Raimi's

I'm not getting ******** (and what are you, 12?, you're seriously using "********"? )...

But you're going waay off track now, my point was that they did lie and ruined the movie for some people. Don't think that everyone's a hardcore fan, has followed every single spoiler/piece of news, etc.

A good example is TheWallCrawler, he's been on the TASM board for a long time, has mentioned he is a fan, but the game still ruined something for him.

There are people who don't want to know certain things until they actually see the movie itself and while I do think that such people should be cautious before they play a game that's set after the movie, I think Beenox/the guys over at Beenox have some responsibility and should have said that the game DOES contain some pretty big spoilers about the movie. And if their reps made a mistake, it's Beenox's moral obligation to rectify that mistake, not choice, responsibility. :P

If the lair scene in TASM wasn't cut out (the scene where Ratha dies)... that's another thing that the game would have spoilt.

See what I mean?

EDIT: And again, I'm not whining, I'm not sure why you think I am. I've known what was going to happen to Stacy, etc and I pretty much figured out that the scene of Connors in a cell was from the end of the movie too (when I saw it in the trailer)...

I'm just saying that Beenox should take a little more responsibility.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Not a lie.

Honestly casual movie goers don't even know that there is a game and most likely probably don't even give a damn.

this day in age, casual movie goers are idiots and need things spelled out for them.

Also how can u claim to be a hardcore fan ant NOT know that Captain Stacy was gonna die for sure. There are set pics of his death AND if u know anything about the death of the Stacys u should know he is gonna die. That's liek the equevalant of saying u don't know for sure if Gwen is gonna die in the film series or not.

Also funny how you guys are whining about spoilers in a SPOILER thread....

There were pics of hurt Captain Stacy, but that could've possibly been just an injury. Besides, I didn't want him to die, I liked his character and I haven't read that specific comic where Stacy died, but I know he died in a battle with Doc Ock.

I'm not the most hard core fan, but way beyond a casual one for sure. I have read a LOT of Spider-man comics and also done research about Spidey issues I haven't had a chance to read yet

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I'm not getting ******** (and what are you, 12?, you're seriously using "********"? )...

But you're going waay off track now, my point was that they did lie and ruined the movie for some people. Don't think that everyone's a hardcore fan, has followed every single spoiler/piece of news, etc.

A good example is TheWallCrawler, he's been on the TASM board for a long time, has mentioned he is a fan, but the game still ruined something for him.

There are people who don't want to know certain things until they actually see the movie itself and while I do think that such people should be cautious before they play a game that's set after the movie, I think Beenox/the guys over at Beenox have some responsibility and should have said that the game DOES contain some pretty big spoilers about the movie. And if their reps made a mistake, it's Beenox's moral obligation to rectify that mistake, not choice, responsibility. :P

If the lair scene in TASM wasn't cut out (the scene where Ratha dies)... that's another thing that the game would have spoilt.

See what I mean?

EDIT: And again, I'm not whining, I'm not sure why you think I am. I've known what was going to happen to Stacy, etc and I pretty much figured out that the scene of Connors in a cell was from the end of the movie too (when I saw it in the trailer)...

I'm just saying that Beenox should take a little more responsibility.

Agreed it's one thing to leave spoilers in order to make the story make sense, but why did they lie about it? I don't know about spida-man, but it's a pretty big spoiler when it tells you exactly how the movie ends...

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

There were pics of hurt Captain Stacy, but that could've possibly been just an injury. Besides, I didn't want him to die, I liked his character and I haven't read that specific comic where Stacy died, but I know he died in a battle with Doc Ock.

I'm not the most hard core fan, but way beyond a casual one for sure. I have read a LOT of Spider-man comics and also done research about Spidey issues I haven't had a chance to read yet

I'm that kind of fan too. I love Spider-man and I watch/play every movie, tv show, or video game that comes out and I read just every bio about Spider-man and his history and yet I almost never follow his books. Shame, isn't it?

 

[spida-man]

So you replied once....than tried to think of some snarky comeback 20 minutes later.

I could bring up the newest Spidey film now, but...no need to start some argument on here

I love how ppl always want to analyze how long it took for someone to comment something.

first of all i was attending to something else and then came back tot he thread and decided to mess with u a bit.

tis a joke my friend. chillax

 

[spida-man]

I'm not getting ******** (and what are you, 12?, you're seriously using "********"? )...

But you're going waay off track now, my point was that they did lie and ruined the movie for some people. Don't think that everyone's a hardcore fan, has followed every single spoiler/piece of news, etc.

A good example is TheWallCrawler, he's been on the TASM board for a long time, has mentioned he is a fan, but the game still ruined something for him.

There are people who don't want to know certain things until they actually see the movie itself and while I do think that such people should be cautious before they play a game that's set after the movie, I think Beenox/the guys over at Beenox have some responsibility and should have said that the game DOES contain some pretty big spoilers about the movie. And if their reps made a mistake, it's Beenox's moral obligation to rectify that mistake, not choice, responsibility. :P

If the lair scene in TASM wasn't cut out (the scene where Ratha dies)... that's another thing that the game would have spoilt.

See what I mean?

EDIT: And again, I'm not whining, I'm not sure why you think I am. I've known what was going to happen to Stacy, etc and I pretty much figured out that the scene of Connors in a cell was from the end of the movie too (when I saw it in the trailer)...

I'm just saying that Beenox should take a little more responsibility.

I didn't mean to single you out a s whiner so sorry if it seemed that way, i mean in general ppl on here complaining about it.

I mean yeah sure Beenox did kinda eff up in the spoiler department (and actually the game does mention Dr. Ratha's death lol)

But again at the end of the day, this is a SPOILER thread, and the game is set AFTER the movie, and its not hard to realize that connors got jailed, stacy died, and so did dr. ratha.

I'm sorry but I see NO reason to complain. in terms of casual folks? Yeah.

But us fans? No i'm sorry, I really don't see why any of us should complain. I think its just silly for the reasons I already stated.

Its like use common sense: Ur in a SPOILER thread, we discussed spoilers that are obvious in the last trailer, and the game is a sequel.

Not only that its like even if Beenox never said "oh there are no spoilers"

The game obviously is gonna reference stuff that happened in the film

So I also feel like in that department there is no excuse.

again that's just me

 

[Anno_Domini]

I love how ppl always want to analyze how long it took for someone to comment something.

first of all i was attending to something else and then came back tot he thread and decided to mess with u a bit.

tis a joke my friend. chillax

Nothing to chill about. I was calm as a cucumber when I replied t:

And, if I could chime in for a bit...perhaps it was a major spoiler and people didn't want to be spoiled because as in the 616 comics, or even Ultimate, it's not Lizard that kills Captain Stacy, so I could understand how something like that could be a major thing to be spoiled. If Webb plans on killing Gwen Stacy the right way by Green Goblin, it could be really major that Stacy is killed already. Just a weird thought.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I didn't mean to single you out a s whiner so sorry if it seemed that way, i mean in general ppl on here complaining about it.

I mean yeah sure Beenox did kinda eff up in the spoiler department (and actually the game does mention Dr. Ratha's death lol)

But again at the end of the day, this is a SPOILER thread, and the game is set AFTER the movie, and its not hard to realize that connors got jailed, stacy died, and so did dr. ratha.

I'm sorry but I see NO reason to complain. in terms of casual folks? Yeah.

But us fans? No i'm sorry, I really don't see why any of us should complain. I think its just silly for the reasons I already stated.

Its like use common sense: Ur in a SPOILER thread, we discussed spoilers that are obvious in the last trailer, and the game is a sequel.

Not only that its like even if Beenox never said "oh there are no spoilers"

The game obviously is gonna reference stuff that happened in the film

So I also feel like in that department there is no excuse.

again that's just me

But I didn't get the spoiler from this thread, I got it from the game I don't know why you keep bringing that up again and again

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Nothing to chill about. I was calm as a cucumber when I replied t:

And, if I could chime in for a bit...perhaps it was a major spoiler and people didn't want to be spoiled because as in the 616 comics, or even Ultimate, it's not Lizard that kills Captain Stacy, so I could understand how something like that could be a major thing to be spoiled. If Webb plans on killing Gwen Stacy the right way by Green Goblin, it could be really major that Stacy is killed already. Just a weird thought.

I don't know why, but I have this weird feeling that Webb isn't planning anything Spider-Man related right now. In fact, I kinda feel that he wont return for the sequel, though I'm ok with that.

I kinda feel that he is being a little moddest and was kinda pushed around by Sony. I never felt he was that confident in interviews, like for example Nolan is when people asked about The Dark Knight Rises (I am NOT a Nolanite!! But you probably already know that)

If it was anyone else that directed this film, he probably would've been furious about the changes they made. I wouldn't mind a more confident director to back up the sequel, even when Marc did a phenomenal job with the chemistry between the characters. I just wish that the sequel would put this reboot series in a better light... with the right push, potentially it could be even on par with TDK, even you can't deny that

 

[Arun1910]

GIESE STOP FITING EACH OTTA.

Also, Benox suck. Where is my DLC. Might as well sell the game.

EDIT: Ebay ---> SOLD ------> £25 --------> Not Bad!

 

[Jick]

Its like use common sense: Ur in a SPOILER thread, we discussed spoilers that are obvious in the last trailer, and the game is a sequel.

THIS is a spoiler thread. The thread about the game in the Games forum isn't and I was following the game mainly through that.

It doesn't matter, anyway. Trailers and pics spoiled things that shouldn't have been.

Not only that its like even if Beenox never said "oh there are no spoilers"

The game obviously is gonna reference stuff that happened in the film

Which is why it should have come after the movie.
It didn't probably because they wanted something else to help on the marketing of the film.

 

[20glyphs]

This game ended up being okay for me. It's disappointing, but not in the way that past Spider-Man games have been for me, so I did get a lot of enjoyment out of it. It just feels like Beenox is a middle of the road developer, and still has a long way to go when it comes to game design, presentation, and the technology that runs everything. This may be their first "open world" game, but Spider-Man 2 was Treyarch's first open world game and that open world was much more satisfying.

The best element of the game was Web Rush, which was nicely integrated into most areas of the game. It could use some more variety with the types of navigation moves that it lets you pull off and smoother integration with other movement, but it was a lot of fun. Spider-Man's character model looks really nice. Giving the option to use stealth was a big plus for the game that gave much needed variety. But stealth needs more options and more AI tweaks to make it feel tighter and more fun. The combat was interesting and fun, but it's lacking variety and the timing of it just feels a bit off and awkward. I feel like it needs a few more moves, a better dodge/roll mechanic, more web attack variety and tighter timing, but it's a good base to start from.

As for my disappointments, there are many. The closer camera angle was a good idea, but they just took it too far to the extreme. It's fine for when you're just standing around, gets way too close when you're perched on something, and stays too close when you're moving or fighting. And what's the deal with the camera angle often being slightly diagonal when you're standing around? It's very disorienting. If they were going to copy this from the Arkham games, they should have taken note that the camera in those games pulls back while you're running/gliding and fighting. They could have made the camera pull back to a wider angle that still kept Spidey bigger on the screen than past games have. Something more like the Assassin's Creed camera angle, where the character model is slightly taller than half the height of the screen. It feels like this was an idea they had for the game, and they just pushed the vision so far without stopping to look at the things it affected negatively.

The web swinging is disappointing yet again. I still don't understand how a first stab at a physics-based swinging system 8 years ago still stands as the best swinging mechanic for so many people. No other game in the series feels like they took that same system and refined it. It just feels like everyone wants to start over completely every time, and as a result nothing comes close to the fun of the SM2 system. Web of Shadows was my second favorite swinging system, but TASM's swinging is just pretty forgettable. At least it feels faster and more fluid than a few other games in the series, but at the end of the day it's not that fun or satisfying. Making you automatically jump off the web line at the same point every time really takes away a lot of the fun. There's just no variety in this system. Without Web Rush, it would suffer even more.

Even general movement is very clunky. Running and jumping were so much better in SM2. In TASM, running is clunky and jumping has no forward momentum, not to mention having clunky controls by happening on button push instead of when you let go. I wish Spidey could free-run with a decent amount of smoothness. Imagine how fun it would be to be free-running on rooftops and jumping from roof to roof, jumping off, swinging with great physics, and then Web Rushing somewhere. Arkham City has a great, simple running mechanic that adds a lot to the navigation when you combine it with gliding and grappling. TASM's running and jumping is very clunky.

The open world was disappointing. As some of their reps pointed out while presenting it at E3, it's not really an open world game, but a game with a hub world. That concept worked much better in Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, but it comes off as dull here. The side missions are all static and there is no randomness to the world. Even Arkham City, which I always felt didn't do enough in its hub world to give a lot of replayable variety, is still a better hub world because at least the bad guys regenerate so you can have fun with stealth and combat whenever you want. I feel like Beenox just isn't technically savvy enough to pull this off, which is disappointing. This is more evident when you notice how the game always fades out and resets Spidey to a location after completing side missions if you don't immediately move out of the area where the mission ended. This seems like a technical limit of their engine, which needs to reinitialize the world after missions.

I also cannot understand why they don't have separate save slots, and force you to upgrade Spider-Man during a playthrough and then throw it all away when you start a new game. Again, it feels like this was a technical limitation of the studio instead of a smart design decision that anyone would actually want to make.

Then there's presentation, which I felt was pretty dull. The city itself has no character or life, with very few real-world landmarks. The same generic buildings are repeated everywhere. Again, it seems likely this is because of a technical limitation of trying to stream the open world. The Arkham games have great hub worlds with so much character that oozes atmosphere based off of the characters. Both Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 had a great Manhattan with some character, but this one feels like a generic city.

The cut scenes are pretty laughable, and I usually don't even care about that. But Beenox has this fascination with first-person sequences and the player "being" Spider-Man, so they have all these cut scenes where the camera angle stays fixed just behind Spidey and never changes, making them very boring. On top of that, the motions the actors do in these scenes are so terrible, consisting of mostly just moving their arms around in dorky, fake ways. The story felt really generic and cookie-cutter. I could care less about any of the characters or what was happening. It just didn't feel very much like Spider-Man. I want them to capture the character who I loved reading in the comics, not spit out this generic doomsday scenario, which the story really never made you feel anyway. I hate to keep comparing things to the Arkham games because I like Spider-Man more than Batman, but those games marry the story and gameplay so well. In TASM, the story barely exists as a reason to keep the game going. In the Arkham games, the experience is so integrated and the different elements feed off of each other so well.

I feel like Shattered Dimensions had such great presentation when it came to a lot of this. The overall story was lacking and didn't form a very coherent, meaningful narrative, but the presentation was a lot of fun and gameplay elements felt like they fit better at times. The bosses also had a good amount of interesting character, as well as being encountered throughout an entire level.

Even the decision to have no health bar was just odd. It feels like they went out of their way to explain all the "video gamey" elements away with things like the cell phone, etc., but again they just went too far. There's no reason they couldn't implement a health bar that only shows up when you lose health and fades out when it regenerates. Never knowing how much health you really have is incredibly frustrating. At the end of the day, I'm playing a game. I'd rather have too many "video gamey" elements than remove them for the sake of better presentation while the gameplay mechanics suffer.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Finally started with the game, finished chapter 3, and what I have to say about it based on what little I played of it is this:

1. It's FUN, about time we have another good Spider-Man game, last one was Spider-Man 3 from Treyarch, currently that 5 years old game is still my favorite Spider-Man game, it's too soon for me to prefer TASM over SM3
2. Combat is fun, more fun to play it than it is to watch it is one thing to say, framerate is not so shoddy in gameplay
3. Web rush is fun, but I don't try to depend on it, I walk more than I use it playing inside missions
4. It's good to be able to ascend in interior webswinging
5. Collected 3 comics, that's pretty cool
6. Whitney Chang is a moron, she's in a shooting gallery and stands in the line of fire to get Connors data, she was killed 2 or 3 times while I was trying to save her, Spidey died twice
7. Out of two boss fights (S-01 Spidey-Slayer and Rhino), Rhino is too basic in combat, S-01 is fun to fight, I see what they mean about Rhino's boss fight being too basic and mindless. I heard the same about SM3 boss fights, but after playing that game I can't believe this comment regarding SM3 boss fights, not even Rhino, that one has a good fight in SM3, but man is that comment believable when it comes to Rhino's fight in TASM, will need to wait and see how it goes with other bosses
8. Will hunt for costumes and more comic pages
9. I knew about the camera view and the forced slow walks long before playing the game, so I will not deduce points on that
10. Pressing attack followed by the jump button makes an auto combo, that was pretty surprising, and neat

[blackout]Oh, and Web of Shadows is not a Spider-Man game, it's a bad-mediocre game using his name, never considered it a Spider-Man game, I still want to make a video of the many ways to destroy that game[/blackout]

 

[Anno_Domini]

I had a blasty blast fighting that snake slayer.