American Media Bias - Siding with Israel

[jaguarr]

If you stop to think about it logically, we have nothing to talk about, and nothing can come of pathetically posting 5 paragraph long arguments about absolutely nothing. I've said all I have to say to you when I said you're just sore because I mocked you.

Now stop talking.

I'm not sore about anything. It's just the friggin' internet. And I'm sorry that you are incapable of reading and digesting a simple paragraph or commentary, but thank you for coming to the same conclusion I came to in that it's pointless to argue with you.

jag

 

[C. Lee]

Who said I wasn't moved by the death of thousands on live TV??

Just seems strange to mention being moved by a comic book about the event than about the actual event itself. I've heard many people talk about how they felt watching that....none have brought up Spidey first. Just an observation.....I'm heading out for some supper.

 

[Alpha and Omega]

Of course the media is going to take one side or another, but the fact is that both sides are to blame for this conflict.

Every time one of the two make a movement towards peace, something more violent/more tragic happens to avoid that or undo that advancement toward a more stable area.

I think that the Israelis receive a bit more understanding (at least in the States) because they're an American ally and more American citizens can identify w/ Israel. This isn't necessarily a correct view, and it's pretty hard to explain why a country would violate a UN peace treaty set up to stop the killing of their citizens and another countries (Usually, they're the ones who pay the highest price), but that's the reality of things. Personally, I think that Hezbollah and other militant groups have Israel in a fearful state of paranoia because they're not necessarily attached to one destination. They can strike from multiple locations. It seems as if more progress in that region is erased day by day; I seriously wonder if both sides even really ponder on why they still fight? (original land issues and the alleged divine right, blood wars, blah, blah, blah,)

Kaine's probably right to a certain extent in the sense that most news channels have little or no objectivity, but as people have mentioned, a lot of his views are skewered. All of our views probably are to a certain extent.

 

[kainedamo]

Just seems strange to mention being moved by a comic book about the event than about the actual event itself. I've heard many people talk about how they felt watching that....none have brought up Spidey first. Just an observation.....I'm heading out for some supper.

It was a moving piece of literature based on the event. What can I say?

 

[hippie_hunter]

For example?

You're support of Hezbollah and the Palestinians, your support for an increase in the minimum wage, your support for nationalized health care in the United States, you obsession with Vicki, etc.

 

[hippie_hunter]

hippie_hunter, you in particular would benifit greatly from watching the documentary.

Many of the favourite arguments of the pro-Israel camp are contradicted in the documentary. "The Palestinians have been given a chance to have their own land and they didn't take it", "all the Palestinians have to do is accept Israel's right to exist and all will be fine", etc etc.

I will watch the video when I do have the time. However, the Palestinians have to accept Israel's right to exist in order for there to be peace. Just like Israel must pull out of the occupied territories and stop commiting their attrocities on the Palestinian people.

They both must do things to commit to the peace process. Not just Israel. Not just the United States. Not just the European Union. And especially not just the useless United Nations.

 

[kainedamo]

You're support of Hezbollah and the Palestinians, your support for an increase in the minimum wage, your support for nationalized health care in the United States, you obsession with Vicki, etc.

Hardly extremist views. You're really reaching.

 

[kainedamo]

I will watch the video when I do have the time. However, the Palestinians have to accept Israel's right to exist in order for there to be peace. Just like Israel must pull out of the occupied territories and stop commiting their attrocities on the Palestinian people.

Well, yeah. Several times, the UN has come up with resolutions to end the conflict, and the US vetoed those resolutions. I blame Israel and the US' support of Israel for the continuing conflict. They won't pull out ot the occupied territories and won't give the Palestinians a state.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hardly extremist views. You're really reaching.

I didn't say you were an extremist. I said some things that you support tend to make you look extremist. The things you support tend to be to the left and I have seen no things that you support that lean to the right. Your views tend to lean into definete left territory instead of balancing out. Also if someone does show you evidence that something you support isn't exactly what you see it as, you tend to ignore it.

The Vicki thing was a joke.

However, you support of the Palestinians is definetly extremist.

 

[kainedamo]

I didn't say you were an extremist. I said some things that you support tend to make you look extremist. The things you support tend to be to the left and I have seen no things that you support that lean to the right. Your views tend to lean into definete left territory instead of balancing out. Also if someone does show you evidence that something you support isn't exactly what you see it as, you tend to ignore it.

You can't say that just because a person's opinions lean to the left that that person seems extremist. You can't take a middle ground on some issues. Sometimes, you have to take a side. Having a safe, middle ground opinon is fine only in certain situations. In other situations, it's not helpful at all to do that, and you must stand up and say "I believe that is wrong, or I believe that is right". Besides, look at my opinions on plastic surgery. They could be considered "right wing". I don't like labels of left and right anyway, it's too restricting.

However, you support of the Palestinians is definetly extremist.

Then I guess most Britains are extremists.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, yeah. Several times, the UN has come up with resolutions to end the conflict, and the US vetoed those resolutions. I blame Israel and the US' support of Israel for the continuing conflict. They won't pull out ot the occupied territories and won't give the Palestinians a state.

See, there you go again. You are completely ignoring the other side of the problem. There are more to blame than just the United States and Israel.

- The United Kingdom is guilty for adopting an extremely Zionist position before and after World War II. This was rather problematic on account that Great Britain controlled Palestine and back then Palestine was nearly completely Arab.

- Germany, Russia, and other Eastern European nations are guilty of persecuting Jews before and during World War II. Because of this persecution, the plan for a Jewish state in Palestine was rushed and put out almost immediately after World War II, instead of being created smoothly that probally wouldn't have pissed off so many Arab nations.

- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq are guilty for pre-emptively invading Israel on numerous occasions. Because of these invasions, no Arab state was created in Palestine. Because of these invasions the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Golan Heights were occupied by Israel. Because of these invasions, Israel was able to annex East Jerusalem.

- The Palestinians are guilty of terrorist attacks upon the Israelis that have killed numerous innocent civilians. They are also guilty of supporting the corrupt and terrorist supporting Yasser Arafat and guilty of electing the terrorist group Hamas into power.

- Syria, Iraq, and Iran are guilty of supporting Palestinian suicide bombers and groups such as Hezbollah.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You can't say that just because a person's opinions lean to the left that that person seems extremist. You can't take a middle ground on some issues. Sometimes, you have to take a side. Having a safe, middle ground opinon is fine only in certain situations. In other situations, it's not helpful at all to do that, and you must stand up and say "I believe that is wrong, or I believe that is right". Besides, look at my opinions on plastic surgery. They could be considered "right wing". I don't like labels of left and right anyway, it's too restricting.

The way you support your positions are extremist. When people tell you that something would not work, you tend to ignore them and still act like your way is the right way (even though you aren't even an American). Your views just don't seem balanced. Your posts don't even make you look slightly liberal or moderately liberal. It seems like a full on left winged liberal.

Then I guess most Britains are extremists.

They support the Palestinians to the level you do?

 

[kainedamo]

See, there you go again. You are completely ignoring the other side of the problem. There are more to blame than just the United States and Israel.

- The United Kingdom is guilty for adopting an extremely Zionist position before and after World War II. This was rather problematic on account that Great Britain controlled Palestine and back then Palestine was nearly completely Arab.

Not to mention the pathetic British government these days. The British public deserves better. It's weird, being raised as a Catholic in Belfast, you would think I'd hate the British. But I think the British people kick ass. Their governent sucks balls. If they weren't so busy trying to please the American government, maybe they'd take a position over Israel that more closely resembles public opinion.

- Germany, Russia, and other Eastern European nations are guilty of persecuting Jews before and during World War II. Because of this persecution, the plan for a Jewish state in Palestine was rushed and put out almost immediately after World War II, instead of being created smoothly that probally wouldn't have pissed off so many Arab nations.

Agreed. But I'm talking about now, and why the conflict continues.

- Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq are guilty for pre-emptively invading Israel on numerous occasions. Because of these invasions, no Arab state was created in Palestine. Because of these invasions the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Golan Heights were occupied by Israel. Because of these invasions, Israel was able to annex East Jerusalem.

Honestly, I wouldn't know enough about these invasions to comment.

- The Palestinians are guilty of terrorist attacks upon the Israelis that have killed numerous innocent civilians. They are also guilty of supporting the corrupt and terrorist supporting Yasser Arafat and guilty of electing the terrorist group Hamas into power.

But that's what happens when your country is occupied and your people oppressed. See the IRA, and the people overwhelmingly voting for Sinn Fein.

- Syria, Iraq, and Iran are guilty of supporting Palestinian suicide bombers and groups such as Hezbollah.

Truely, their support for Hezbollah does not bother me. I'd be more ashamed if my country supported Israel. I don't like suicide bombers or support for suicide bombers though.

 

[kainedamo]

The way you support your positions are extremist. When people tell you that something would not work, you tend to ignore them and still act like your way is the right way (even though you aren't even an American). Your views just don't seem balanced. Your posts don't even make you look slightly liberal or moderately liberal. It seems like a full on left winged liberal.

This is the problem with your labels. You can't label people liberal, conservitive, etc, it's so restrictive and such a blanket statement of a person's entire personality. I watch the news fairly often, I watch the odd documentary here and there, and I have read many debates on message boards. So I have taken other peoples' views and opinions on board. Occasionally, an argument makes me stop and think about my own position. You say that my views aren't balanced, but that's only because I tend to stand for one position on a subject... and I really, truelly see nothing wrong with that. As long as I'm not ignorant and look at the views of others, there is nothing wrong with sticking to one side if you do believe that side is right. Never, ever have I said anything very extreme. If you think I'm a full on left winged liberal with extreme views, that says more about you than it does me. Maybe you've been conditioned to think of things in that way, I don't know. We live in different cultures.

They support the Palestinians to the level you do?

Yes. Most Britains that watch the news and have political opinions believe the Palestinians are in the right and they believe in it to the level that I do.