And you thought the crap marvel have been spouting so far was bad

[Doc Destruction]

Damn, I rule.

 

[The Red Skull]

For a comic shop to "need" the sales of CW on a particular day to survive simply means they are running their business badly. Simple as that.

If you've been following the sales charts over the past few years you'll notice the about 5 years ago the top selling books where around 100000 to get to the top of the charts. Now days everybook in the top 15 or so sells these number as such retailers are in a much stronger position.

Sure civil war is the money pot for them but If you rely on big sellers like that coming along then you're a bad business man (ie what if civil war flopped in sales?)

Well, if you're talking about Glaswegian comic book stores (y'know, both of them) it's not as if a sizeable amount of cash doesn't come from the myriad other products they sell. Every time I walk into Forbidden Planet or A-1 Comics on a busy day I'm forever amazed at how few people are actually buying the comics. Especially the kids: I daresay it's the Yu-Gi-Oh! trading cards, movie memorabilia and action figures/sculptures that give them any kind of financial security. Forbidden Planet has a few pretty neat deals on DVDs as well.

And while I love both stores dearly, it's pretty clear that a sizeable portion of their clientele just ain't interested in picking up monthly comics. Especially as an individual monthly can cost up to 3 quid (nearly 6 dollars). The fact of the matter is that our hobby is niche even in dedicated specialty stores.

From that perspective, those comic book stores that solely sell comics (and New York's taught me that there's still a couple) probably do find themselves depending on the big events.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Most comic shops can't survive by selling only comics anyway. Lateness doesn't have anything to do with it. Comics could come out on time every month and they still wouldn't make as much money as card games or all the other crap comic shops have started selling.

 

[Morg]

Most comic shops can't survive by selling only comics anyway. Lateness doesn't have anything to do with it. Comics could come out on time every month and they still wouldn't make as much money as card games or all the other crap comic shops have started selling.

True, I seen comic stores expand and sell other stuff from renting videos and games and more

 

[Doc Destruction]

Damn that avatar anyway. I can't ever leave a thread that has a Morg post in it for like 15 minutes.

 

[Morg]

Guess a pic of her in bed and in panties wouldn't help?

 

[GNR]

That's hot!

 

[Doc Destruction]

For the love of God...

 

[Morg]

*wags finger* look but don't touch, she's mine

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

To be honest, I didn't see anything geatly offensive about what Hitch said. I think you're going a little to over the top, or reading too hard into his words.

He's just kind of saying stuff, and they're all truths. He's basically saying,

"A bunch of comics are late because Marvel WANTED to wait for Millar and McNiven to tell their story. And seeing as Marvel are getting them to restructure the ENTIRE Marvel universe, and the book is only a month late, is impressive. It's not the worst thing going on in the world."

You know, he saw his friends, (Millar and McNiven,) apologise immensely, only to find his friends still being insulted by loads of whiny fans. So lashed back on behalf of his friends, seeing as they didn't want to.

To be honest, I'm kind of on his side here. I've collected comics for donkeys, and have been in the comic store every week since I was like, 9. I wait for issues, and have something like 3000 comics. I dislike rude creators, but I dislike incredibly rude fan boys/girls more so. Some people can be really disgusting. I think he's aiming his comments more at those people, not people like us.

The fact of it is, yeah, some people need to get a life, and stop wishing bad things on people, just 'cause their book is running late. Go watch the news, go focus your negative energy on people who are ruining our countries, not people trying to entertain us

'nuff said!

 

[Darthphere]

If only it was that easy. Since you know, we get comic books for free and all.

 

[hippy fascist]

ha ha

http://forums.millarworld.tv/

the forums are "down for repairs"

are you americans perhaps familiar with jimmy hill?

 

[SpideyInATree]

I know this is a rant but for god's sake have some respect for your fans and let them voice their opinions

He's not stopping you from voicing your opinion.

So, you can voice your opinion but Hitch isn't allowed to voice his?

 

[Darthphere]

He's not stopping you from voicing your opinion.

So, you can voice your opinion but Hitch isn't allowed to voice his?

Exactly.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Hitch isn't buying OUR product. Nice try, though.

 

[Darthphere]

I tell my customers all the time to go out and lose their virginity, but hey I was only joking.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Hitch isn't buying OUR product. Nice try, though.

No, he isn't. But does that still mean he's not allowed to have an opinion on something?

I think he's allowed to say whatever he wants. Wolvie got offended and isn't buying his book anymore, I'm sure it's no sweat off of Hitch's sack.

 

[Darthphere]

No, he isn't. But does that still mean he's not allowed to have an opinion on something?

I think he's allowed to say whatever he wants. Wolvie got offended and isn't buying his book anymore, I'm sure it's no sweat off of Hitch's sack.

An opinion and insult, even jokingly are two different things. If you went to BK (assuming you eat BK) and ordered a burger with no pickles, and got pickles in your burger and complained to the guy at the register and have some other dude come and tell you, jokingly "Hey there are more importnat things in the world, why dont you go lose your virginity?" Ill assume by your responses so far that would be totally cool with you.

 

[hippy fascist]

An opinion and insult, even jokingly are two different things. If you went to BK (assuming you eat BK) and ordered a burger with no pickles, and got pickles in your burger and complained to the guy at the register and have some other dude come and tell you, jokingly "Hey there are more importnat things in the world, why dont you go lose your virginity?" Ill assume by your responses so far that would be totally cool with you.

Which is even further compounded in this case by the "simpson's comic book guy" stereotype that we as fans of this medium already have to contend with as it is. Also it wasn't just addressing fan's it was also the retailers posting there who have every right to ***** since their gonna lose both short-term trade over this and potential new customers who are just gonna lose interest now.

Also with regards the one person thing, I'm not buying ultimates anymore as a result of this comment either and I'm sure a lot of other people will feel the same.

 

[Darthphere]

Which is even further compunded in this case by the "simpson's comic book guy" stereotype that we as fans of this medium already have to contend with as it is. Also it wasn't just addressing fan's it was also the retailers posting there who have every right to ***** since their gonna lose both short-term trade over this and potential new customers who are just gonna lose interest now.

Also with regards the one person thing, I'm not buying ultimates anymore as a result of this comment either and I'm sure a lot of other people will feel the same.

Its not even that. these guys are supposed to be professionals. Comments like that are unnecessary and inexcusable. I didnt pick up Ultimates anyway but if his next project seems any good, ill buy it. I wont be a hypocrite and say I wont. It was pretty sad going to the comic book store this week and a guy was asking for the new issue of Civil War and the guy at the register had to explain to him what was going on. The guy said that he only got into Civil War because he read about it in the newspaper. Potential new Marvel reader possibly lost. Of course I stepped in and handed him the back issues of X-Factor.

 

[hippy fascist]

and that's why the industry survives to this day, people will rarely be drawn to this medium by ad's. It's usually someone offering friendly advice or through recomendation. If the writers of the books can't even take criticism (particularly when it's not even directed at them) then what kind of image does that present. As i've said many times in these threads, I don't have a problem with millar or mcniven because they were civil, had the decency to apologise and tried to deal with the angry fan's by answering their question and being completely open about what was going on. I do have a problem with Hitch lashing out at fans who are understandably upset about this. How long does it take you to read a comic book, me normally about 10-15 minutes. FOR THREE DOLLARS. Christ you can go see a three hour movie for ten bucks at the cinema. As entertainment medium's go this is a premium service and as a result fan's have the right to get pissy when said PREMIUM service fails to meet the standards that marvel advertised it as doing. Technically every time marvel delivers a book that was solicited as monthly late they are guilty of false advertising...a petty point perhaps but it's true

 

[Darthphere]

Ive actually mellowed out about the actual delays, the lies, spin and commentary on it however still gets me riled up.

 

[hippy fascist]

meh, I'm not happy about it but truth be told my anger kinda got solely directed at Hitch the moment he said what he said. Then I read brevoort comments in response to the newserama thread and the sheer politicians answers he was coming out with allowed to divert a little off his way. But Hitch is still number one on my **** list right now

 

[hippy fascist]

yet more bull**** about artistic integrity and for the love of god when are they gonna stop going on about "dark knight and watchmen". Each time I hear it it sounds more like an autocue

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays10.html

he actualy brings up issue #1 of Daredevil being late. Seriously joe are you even aware that you still have to finish your little pet project or are you just that stupid that you ***** about someone else who had a shorter delay on a book about the same character you are still failing to deliver yourself,

 

[Darthphere]

Really the best quote was this:

In the end, the decision was made that for the longevity and future of this project and looking way ahead at trade and hardcover collections, this was the best decision to make.

**** monthly readers, get all your **** in trades.