Animals Are Not Ours To Wear

[jaguarr]

Plants have no brains, which means they do not have nervous systems, which means they can't feel pain.

Yes, plants can "sense" where the sun is, and venus fly traps can "sense" an insect is on them, but there is a difference between "sensing" and actually feeling pain.

Regards....you're a moron.
ven

Define "pain". Using the experience of having to endure your logic, or lack thereof, as an example is not an admissible usage.

(Hint: Your definition of pain is extremely limited.)

Regards,
jag

 

[Venice]

It's sad that you don't have the ability to admit you're wrong and immediatly rebound with weak verbal insults.

Keep hiding behind your big words and slick remarks, it's easy on the Internet, unfortuantly i'm sure that's the extent of your life.

 

[jaguarr]

It's sad that you don't have the ability to admit you're wrong and immediatly rebound with weak verbal insults.

Keep hiding behind your big words and slick remarks, it's easy on the Internet, unfortuantly i'm sure that's the extent of your life.

It's sad that you cannot back up your opinions and assertions with factual evidence and resort to ineffective slander in a feeble attempt to draw attention away from that fact.

Regards,
jag

 

[Master Blaster]

why is this stupid thread still here

That's what I'm wondering.

 

[Venice]

You don't need to wonder anymore, I have the answer. The thread is still alive because people like debating about this topic, and, people like yourself continue posting useless posts that bump the thread.

 

[Wolverazio]

People feel passionate about the subject...but I'm a little hurt. You tried to tear down others' arguments but not mine. Here, I'll repost it here just so I KNOW you see it.

Way back when man had no preconceptions, why did we start on the path of killing and eating animals? There was no one there to teach us then.

Since you say that we don't HAVE to eat animals, but we CHOOSE to, why did the first man make that choice?

 

[strike-hard]

Since you say that we don't HAVE to eat animals, but we CHOOSE to, why did the first man make that choice?

He probably saw other animals eating each other and joined in on the fun .

 

[cryptic name]

Where do you live? I'll come and crucify you.

wow...just wow.


i can't believe this thread is still going.

 

[bluejake01]

Plants have no brains, which means they do not have nervous systems, which means they can't feel pain.

Yes, plants can "sense" where the sun is, and venus fly traps can "sense" an insect is on them, but there is a difference between "sensing" and actually feeling pain.

Regards....you're a moron.
ven

How would you know that? Are you a plant? Plants are alive and respond to external stimuli. They are fundamentally and biologically different than animals. There is no basis for you to compare the feelings of a plant and animal. Just because biologists don't understand the process for which a plant feels things doesn't mean they don't feel. You are right, they have nothing we can see that is akin to a brain, or a nervous system...but by that thinking they also don't have flesh or bone. They are different, their cels all act together as one. Plants can feel emotions, and in fact have emotional responses. In study after study it is proven that merely yelling at a plant can kill it. How can you make such lofty claims, having never been a plant? How do you know what the sensation of having your limbs cut off or to be plucked and eaten while your cels are still alive? Plants give off radio waves and communicate as well...something previously thought to only occur in animals. There is much we don't know about plants and the way their biological LIVING systems all work together. A brain cell is just a cell, and not drastically different than other cells in your body, they are meat cells, and we understand those.

 

[bluejake01]

It's sad that you don't have the ability to admit you're wrong and immediatly rebound with weak verbal insults.

Keep hiding behind your big words and slick remarks, it's easy on the Internet, unfortuantly i'm sure that's the extent of your life.

That's rich...you called him an idiot and he responded with a logic based question you couldn't answer...how is that a "weak verbal insult"? Seriously, stating the obvious that your logic is almost painful is not an insult, calling people that you can't converse with because they are more equiped to deal with a debate than you is insulting. It is you that resorts to name calling and insults when you are backed into a corner. You seem incapable of holding a civil conversation with anyone as, if not more intelligent than yourself. It rather easy for you claim moral superiority while you throw your own verbal, or in this case written, excrement around. Go on little monkey, throw your ****.

 

[cryptic name]

"With so many wonderful alternatives to wool, fur, and leather, there's simply no need to use animal skins to cover your own skin. For every wool sweater, leather belt or jacket, or bit of fur trim, animals are tortured and mutilated in ways that would make any compassionate person's skin crawl. Sheep, cows, foxes, rabbits, minks, and other animals used for their fleece, fur, or skins feel pain and suffer just like the dogs and cats in our own homes, yet chunks of their flesh are hacked off, they are electrocuted, their necks are snapped, and their throats are slit open, often without any painkillers. Join kind people everywhere and shed your skins-wear only compassionate, animal-free clothing." - PETA

Wearing animal fur is disgusting. Here's some more gross information: http://www.furisdead.com/animals.html

I didn't want to post any pictures because they're nauseating.

it occurs to me that from this very first post you never had a good argument, just a condemning demeanor and arrogant self servance. you just want to say it's bad and have people accept it. why do you care if i or anyone else wears fur or eat something that had parents? why can't you be content living by your own standards?

 

[jaguarr]

That's rich...you called him an idiot and he responded with a logic based question you couldn't answer...how is that a "weak verbal insult"? Seriously, stating the obvious that your logic is almost painful is not an insult, calling people that you can't converse with because they are more equiped to deal with a debate than you is insulting. It is you that resorts to name calling and insults when you are backed into a corner. You seem incapable of holding a civil conversation with anyone as, if not more intelligent than yourself. It rather easy for you claim moral superiority while you throw your own verbal, or in this case written, excrement around. Go on little monkey, throw your ****.

Don't worry. She completely undermines her own arguments when she behaves in such a manner. Then again, most zealot-trolls do. I like the monkey comment, though. Very appropriate imagery.

jag

 

[Zev]

Visiting this thread is like bathing in a cesspool of human ignorance. A few people are trying to pour in some bubble mix, but it's still a cesspool of human ignorance, because Venice keeps coming back and ****ting in it. Only the **** comes out of her mouth, spills onto her keyboard, and is then uploaded onto the Internet.

 

[Corinthian™]

Organics..reminds me a long no-so-dead discussion...

Organics sucks


they never did justice to the high intellect of Peter Parker

I'mma gonna boycott that movie

 

[Kroc1138]

You don't need to wonder anymore, I have the answer. The thread is still alive because people like debating about this topic, and, people like yourself continue posting useless posts that bump the thread.

I've read all of your posts. Yours are the only ones that have no point. Where are your arguement point defending your stance??? Oh there aren't any. You are just trolling! Just shut the hell up and give it a rest.

 

[Atrax robustus]

Plants have no nerves and no central nervous system, they don't feel pain.

Actually, you are wrong.

I watched a documentary on this. Plants can feel pain. When they are strokes, a small electrical signal is generated in the leaves. These signals prove that plants can feel and hence can feel pain.

I wish I remember which documentary I was watching so that I could prove it to you... but I cant.

But........Plants regenerate, animals dont.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

Actually, you are wrong.

I watched a documentary on this. Plants can feel pain. When they are strokes, a small electrical signal is generated in the leaves. These signals prove that plants can feel and hence can feel pain.

I wish I remember which documentary I was watching so that I could prove it to you... but I cant.

But........Plants regenerate, animals dont.

They don't feel anything. They react. They can't be tortured or tormented. They have no mental capacity whatsoever. Plants don't feel. Feeling requires a brain of some kind.

 

[Atrax robustus]

They don't feel anything. They react. They can't be tortured or tormented. They have no mental capacity whatsoever. Plants don't feel. Feeling requires a brain of some kind.

Not according to the documentary I was watching

 

[Outsiderzedge]

Not according to the documentary I was watching

Think about it. How can they feel pain if they have no mind? Pain is a construct of the mind.

 

[Atrax robustus]

Think about it. How can they feel pain if they have no mind? Pain is a construct of the mind.

I honestly cant remember.
Im not going to debate this as I cant remember enough of the facts from the documentary.

All I can remember is that the scientists concluded that plants could actually feel... Im gonna have to try and look it out again. It was quite interesting.

 

[bluejake01]

Think about it. How can they feel pain if they have no mind? Pain is a construct of the mind.

Prove they have no mind. Prove that their cells aren't as reactive as ours. Why would a plant have a brain cell, when they don't have meat cells either. Plants and animals are so vastly different you can't compare, nor know what their cells sense, or process.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

Reaction means nothing. Inanimate objects can react. It doesn't mean its sentient.

It isn't self-aware. It does not think. It does not feel. All it does is react.

When it senses light, it reacts. When it senses touch, it reacts. When its cut in half, it reacts. None of this requires thinking or feeling. Reaction means nothing. Stop using reaction as proof that it can feel. It means nothing.

 

[bluejake01]

Reaction means nothing. Inanimate objects can react. It doesn't mean its sentient.

It isn't self-aware. It does not think. It does not feel. All it does is react.

When it senses light, it reacts. When it senses touch, it reacts. When its cut in half, it reacts. None of this requires thinking or feeling. Reaction means nothing. Stop using reaction as proof that it can feel. It means nothing.

Stop using lack of what you comprehend as sentience as a basis for comparrison. The fact is that we don't understand plants. They are built differently than animals. We are only now discovering what their different cells, and biological systems are capable of. Ever heard of cellular memory? Co-location? Do you really think that because you don't understand something that it doesn't exist? Just because we need a brain to think and feel, don't presume that other types of life need the same thing. They also don't need lungs to brathe, and yet plants still breathe. They don't need muscle and bone to move, but they do move in response to stimuli. Why would they need a "brain" to think and feel?

 

[Outsiderzedge]

Cellular memory is just information stored in a cell. It's not sentience. Cells do not think. They only react how they are programmed to. They do not feel pain, torment or anything else. Cells do not go insane. Cells do not feel sad. Cells do not feel.

The idea is so stupid, I have a headache knowing someone actually thinks it could be true.

 

[jaguarr]

Cellular memory is just information stored in a cell. It's not sentience. Cells do not think. They only react how they are programmed to. They do not feel pain, torment or anything else. Cells do not go insane. Cells do not feel sad. Cells do not feel.

The idea is so stupid, I have a headache knowing someone actually thinks it could be true.

So, you're saying that capability of emotion is the deliniating factor in determining whether something can "feel" or not, then?

jag