Answering script questions: DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPOIL THE WHOLE MOVIE

[Sarg92]

Personally, I think the Green Hulk persona got redundant when talking. You can sympathize with him by his child-like expressions when he's not going berserk and fear him when he IS going berserk. I believe he works more visually than verbally. the TV show, Ang and LL made a good choice IMO.

LL did say it would be hard making Hulk talk, they must have tried to see what it would look like and maybe it just didn't fit in so they went back for a mute Hulk.

Personally though, they are going for a dark movie and with Hulk running around shouting "Hulk smash!" and whatever wouldn't fit in well and may look kinda crap on the big screen. I think it is fine he says Betty in the film but surely some more one or two word phrases wouldn't be too bad.

 

[wobbly]

Personally, I think the Green Hulk persona got redundant when talking. You can sympathize with him by his child-like expressions when he's not going berserk and fear him when he IS going berserk. I believe he works more visually than verbally. the TV show, Ang and LL made a good choice IMO.

I disagree completely: That way of doing the Hulk leaves you feeling nothing for him. Yes, you can still sympathise, but only because he is an extension of Banner and not because his is a unique being in his own right.

 

[Gianakin_]

I disagree completely: That way of doing the Hulk leaves you feeling nothing for him. Yes, you can still sympathise, but only because he is an extension of Banner and not because his is a unique being in his own right.

Fair enough. I always saw Hulk as an extension of Banner, because he is Banner's repressed feelings. And for me, this fits. Let alone the ridicule factor. Even in Ang's Hulk, I cringe when I heard the "take it all" line.

 

[I.Bulk]

is anyone as curious as i am as to how some peole even actually GOT to read the script?

 

[Gianakin_]

Personally though, they are going for a dark movie and with Hulk running around shouting "Hulk smash!" and whatever wouldn't fit in well and may look kinda crap on the big screen. I think it is fine he says Betty in the film but surely some more one or two word phrases wouldn't be too bad.

Yes, agreed. As for 1-2 more phrases, I'd rather they didn't risk it.

 

[THUNDERCLAP316]

Yes, agreed. As for 1-2 more phrases, I'd rather they didn't risk it.

This is what I don't understand, risk what, the Hulk has always talked, it is a big part of what makes him unique. They went away from the orgin, there is no Rick Jones, it looks like they are changing the name of Doc Samson (last name to first name), and now he is talking less in this movie then is the last one, one line or better yet one word. The only way I can see this working is if it is at the end of the movie so that it is a shock for people see that the Green Goliath can talk and set up the next film for a more expanded dialogue.

 

[wobbly]

Fair enough. I always saw Hulk as an extension of Banner, because he is Banner's repressed feelings. And for me, this fits. Let alone the ridicule factor. Even in Ang's Hulk, I cringe when I heard the "take it all" line.

The "Take it All" and "Puny Human" were both poorly executed. The former was yelled from underwater for starters (not smart) and with the latter he sounded like Worf from Star Trek.
Neither should be taken as the only ways to do the voice, likewise the childish "Hulk Smash" persona does not have to be the one they can use. After all, the original Hulk was the 'Fixit' type: Smart, surly and downright nasty at times - Just as Stan Lee once described the Hulk, he was an atomic age 'Jekyll & Hyde'.

Another thing I think of regarding how giving the character a voice can change it's impact: Frankenstein's Monster (which is another classic the Hulk has been compared to). All the best movie or tv versions of the story I have seen are (imo) the ones that give him a voice (just as Shelly had intended). The only exception to this rule was 'Van Helsing', which did almost everything badly so that doesn't count.

 

[Sarg92]

Yes, agreed. As for 1-2 more phrases, I'd rather they didn't risk it.

"Puny human" could work like it did in the Ang's Hulk. It didn't sound cheesy at all.

Hulk could say it to Blonsky before he becomes Abomination, when Hulk breaks every bone in his body.

 

[Sarg92]

One question I would like answered.

Are there any sub-concsious battles between Hulk and Banner in the movie? I think it is a must that they should be in there, like when Banner is asleep, he has a dream about him and Hulk trying to get control.

 

[Gianakin_]

This is what I don't understand, risk what, the Hulk has always talked, it is a big part of what makes him unique.

Risk ridicule by having a ******ed giant talking. There's always a chance one could get it right, but LL wasn't satisfied, so they dropped it. Maybe another one will get it done with dignity. Until then, I stand by the opinion that it's a risk that really is unnecessary, IMO.

 

[Gianakin_]

The "Take it All" and "Puny Human" were both poorly executed. The former was yelled from underwater for starters (not smart) and with the latter he sounded like Worf from Star Trek.
Neither should be taken as the only ways to do the voice, likewise the childish "Hulk Smash" persona does not have to be the one they can use. After all, the original Hulk was the 'Fixit' type: Smart, surly and downright nasty at times - Just as Stan Lee once described the Hulk, he was an atomic age 'Jekyll & Hyde'.

I think that the Ang's lines were the most serious limit that can be achieved with the voice... and it wasn't nowhere near good IMO. As for Fixit, sure, but go look for a thread that suggested this, and you'll see we'd have a rebellion from the fans and a confusion from the audience (as the Hulk is mostly recognizable as green). I love Fixit, for the record. He's way more interesting than the green Hulk.

Another thing I think of regarding how giving the character a voice can change it's impact: Frankenstein's Monster (which is another classic the Hulk has been compared to). All the best movie or tv versions of the story I have seen are (imo) the ones that give him a voice (just as Shelly had intended). The only exception to this rule was 'Van Helsing', which did almost everything badly so that doesn't count.

I will most definately give you Frankenstein, I had not thought of that.
I will say, however, that Frankenstein was never an action piece, but a deep engaging drama (when Ang tried to turn the Hulk into drama, it wasn't received very well. That was just to prevent from any comments of the "Then Hulk can be a drama too" type. Although, I suppose it could work eventually through stages of experimentation, the luxury of which we don't have).
As a drama, then, you were (supposedly) so submerged into the story, that a ******ed corpse talking like a baby doesn't have such a ridiculous impact. But in an action film, I think it would.

 

[wobbly]

Risk ridicule by having a ******ed giant talking. There's always a chance one could get it right, but LL wasn't satisfied, so they dropped it. Maybe another one will get it done with dignity. Until then, I stand by the opinion that it's a risk that really is unnecessary, IMO.

When you describe him as a '******ed giant talking' that is over simplifying it. You may as well say putting Superman in bright red & blue tights and a cape is risking ridicule. It doesnt matter: If that is what the character is, you take that 'risk' or you may as well not bother at all.

 

[Gianakin_]

When you describe him as a '******ed giant talking' that is over simplifying it. You may as well say putting Superman in bright red & blue tights and a cape is risking ridicule. It doesnt matter: If that is what the character is, you take that 'risk' or you may as well not bother at all.

You have a point, but now we're going to faithfulness to material. For which I don't really care anymore. Just keep the core and feeling and put your own spin to the material (which I think the script does so far).

 

[Gotham]

One question I would like answered.

Are there any sub-concsious battles between Hulk and Banner in the movie? I think it is a must that they should be in there, like when Banner is asleep, he has a dream about him and Hulk trying to get control.

Spoiler

Yes. The start of the script is somewhat like that.

Q: Does Banner utter the famous lingo, "You don't like it when I'm angry.."

Spoiler

Yes. One time.

 

[Gotham]

That sounds crap alright. But how does this movie not betray the comic book origin?

Isn't this film based on something at least? Hesleigh made up everything as he went along and had no basis for the story. I think at one point he introduced Blonsky and then we never see him again. He vanished from the story and the reader is left wondering; "What the heck?"

 

[Gianakin_]

How is the characterization of Bruce Banner? Plus, how did you find the humor? Were there too much? And finally, can you say if the humor was similar to that of some other film you've seen? Just to know what style of it to expect.

 

[James T. Kirk]

Isn't this film based on something at least?

Yes, the Ultimate version, which is a betrayal in my opinion.

 

[Gotham]

How is the characterization of Bruce Banner? Plus, how did you find the humor? Were there too much? And finally, can you say if the humor was similar to that of some other film you've seen? Just to know what style of it to expect.

A:

Spoiler

Yes, the humour is definitely a bright spot. There wasn't too much and wasn't too little, just enough. And I would say Batman Begins-esque type humour.

 

[Gianakin_]

I see. That's not bad, however BB had 2-3 bad one-liners. Tell me, did you like the "nice coat", "I gotta get me one of those" and "Nice ride" jokes from Batman Begins?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

So I tried reading through most of these and I couldn't find anyone asking this so forgive me if you've answered it

What is the role of Sterns, or the Leader in the picture? Do we get to see the Leader? Does he fight?

 

[Gianakin_]

Judging from the synopsis, the LEader doesn't appear, only Sterns and he betrays Bruce. After that, Blonsky threatens him and gets the serum to become Abomination.

 

[Gotham]

Judging from the synopsis, the LEader doesn't appear, only Sterns and he betrays Bruce. After that, Blonsky threatens him and gets the serum to become Abomination.

Spoiler

He doesn't betray Bruce whatsoever. Bruce is on the run from everyone and Mr. Blue, Sterns, finally meets him at his laboratory. Sterns gives him an antidote and then everything turns into complete chaos. Sterns then dies from an explosion.

 

[Gianakin_]

He WHAT? Boy, did they make a poopoo, unless they leave it open.
How about Banner's characterization aside from the humor? Is he well written? Did you feel his torture at all?

 

[Cracker Jack]

What I would like to know is; is this the first draft, final, the shooting script or somewhere in between? In other words, and maybe EB or AD can answer this, is it possible that there will be changes to the script you have?

 

[James T. Kirk]

is it possible that there will be changes to the script you have?

I, for one, f***ing hope so.