Ant-Man Ant-man's reviews thread

[TeeKay]

Actually Moridin the [blackout]signal jammer was mentioned in the scene after and used in the Pym technology heist.[/blackout]

 

[C. Lee]

Actually Moridin the [blackout]signal jammer was mentioned in the scene after and used in the Pym technology heist.[/blackout]

We don't be needing facts when someone is ranting!!!!!!

 

[AlmightyWho]

7/10

Great fun with some of the most impressive and creative visuals of any superhero film. The characters had more heft and nuance to them than I was expecting, especially Hank and Hope. I appreciated it's modest scope and it felt more old school in it's execution than most Marvel films, kinda timeless if you catch my meaning. It stands with GOTG as a film that could be totally enjoyed completely separate from the rest of the MCU, even though it has connections and cameo's to it.

Michael Pena, on the other hand, annoyed the PISS out of me. I usually like 95% of the humor in the MCU, but this character just irked me something fierce and legit brought the score down a whole point.

 

[Heretic]

7/10
Michael Pena, on the other hand, annoyed the PISS out of me. I usually like 95% of the humor in the MCU, but this character just irked me something fierce and legit brought the score down a whole point.

I agree. Practically every review claims that he stole the movie...but...oh yeah...he's Mexican...so his van horn is obviously "La Cucaracha"...and that isn't a cheap and tired race joke...in fact...NOTICING that it's a race joke makes you racist.

I thought the effect of having his voice speak for others during his stories was kind of fun...but the character itself (and his friends) were maybe my least favorite parts of the movie.

 

[Sean of Justice]

I agree. Practically every review claims that he stole the movie...but...oh yeah...he's Mexican...so his van horn is obviously "La Cucaracha"...and that isn't a cheap and tired race joke...in fact...NOTICING that it's a race joke makes you racist.

I thought the effect of having his voice speak for others during his stories was kind of fun...but the character itself (and his friends) were maybe my least favorite parts of the movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

I thought Pena was hilarious.

 

[Guard82]

Regarding the villain...I have heard some say that he's WORSE than Malekith. I don't agree with that. In fact, I thought he was better than Ultron (which isn't saying much, Ultron wasn't very good). I do think he teetered too far to "Evil because I'm evil" territory and wish that his story had been developed a bit beyond some lines about his previous mentorship...but I thought he looked a lot cooler on the big screen than I imagined he would.

Yeah, Cross was definitely better than Malekith. First and foremost, Cross actually had a distinct, discernible personality. In TDW, Malekith was just sort of there to act evil and angry. Furthermore, Cross had some memorable moments in his scenes. In TDW, Malekith had a few decent scenes, but none that really stood out a lot.

I didn't feel that Cross was an "evil because I'm evil" type of villain. Again, Malekith was more that type of villain. With Cross, I got the impression that his villainy was because he was overly adventurous and enthusiastic about expanding this exciting new scientific breakthrough. His motives were further explained by the fact that he was resentful that Pym, his old mentor whom he had looked up to, refused to endorse or assist his ideas for expanding the new technology. Cross seemed to feel personally hurt by this rejection, and combined with his overzealousness regarding Pym's research, this helped drive him over the edge.

Was Cross the most unique or complex villain? No, of course not. But he still served as a pretty good antagonist, in my opinion, and had some memorable moments.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think the problem that some have is that most of the backstory with Cross and Pym is told through exposition in the dialogue. The film maybe could have benefited with a flashback scene with Cross and Pym, but the problem is you don't want to fill the whole movie with flashback scenes, or it can ruin the pacing. There's really only two flashbacks in the film, and they both deal with Pym directly, and they are both pretty short.

 

[seriesofdreams]

Yeah, Cross was definitely better than Malekith. First and foremost, Cross actually had a distinct, discernible personality. In TDW, Malekith was just sort of there to act evil and angry. Furthermore, Cross had some memorable moments in his scenes. In TDW, Malekith had a few decent scenes, but none that really stood out a lot.

I didn't feel that Cross was an "evil because I'm evil" type of villain. Again, Malekith was more that type of villain. With Cross, I got the impression that his villainy was because he was overly adventurous and enthusiastic about expanding this exciting new scientific breakthrough. His motives were further explained by the fact that he was resentful that Pym, his old mentor whom he had looked up to, refused to endorse or assist his ideas for expanding the new technology. Cross seemed to feel personally hurt by this rejection, and combined with his overzealousness regarding Pym's research, this helped drive him over the edge.

Was Cross the most unique or complex villain? No, of course not. But he still served as a pretty good antagonist, in my opinion, and had some memorable moments.

Strong, valid points about Cross here. He is no way weaker an antagonist then Malekith, Whiplash or Abomination. I did appreciate the mentor/father/surrogate son dynamic to go along with the dual father/daughter parallel in this film. It is a family film in more than one sense.

With all of that rejection he does have a good motive, but as a character he's far more interesting. I think that they could have given him more screen time. Maybe cut the Baskin Robbins bit. Overall, solid villain.

 

[Leenie]

I don't think Pena "stole" the movie (Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas are my favorites in this movie), but I thought he was really funny.

 

[Sean of Justice]

Strong, valid points about Cross here. He is no way weaker an antagonist then Malekith, Whiplash or Abomination. I did appreciate the mentor/father/surrogate son dynamic to go along with the dual father/daughter parallel in this film. It is a family film in more than one sense.

With all of that rejection he does have a good motive, but as a character he's far more interesting. I think that they could have given him more screen time. Maybe cut the Baskin Robbins bit. Overall, solid villain.

 

[Chris B]

I really liked this. I wasn't among those disappointed with AoU, but I'm tempted to say that I liked Ant-Man better.

It wasn't groundbreaking, but I think the plot was good and I really enjoyed the performances by Rudd, Douglass, Lilly, Stoll, and Pena. I'm looking forward to what Ant-Man will bring to the MCU. Hopefully the Giant-Man rumors are true for "Civil War."

 

[The Shape]

Yeah, Cross was definitely better than Malekith.

Pretty much every movie villain ever is.

 

[Lencho01]

I really liked the film. Second favorite of Phase 2.

EDIT: I will say that I enjoyed how much this film felt like a film taking place in the MCU rather than an MCU film, if that makes sense. Similar to how I felt about Daredevil's show.

 

[seriesofdreams]

EDIT: I will say that I enjoyed how much this film felt like a film taking place in the MCU rather than an MCU film, if that makes sense. Similar to how I felt about Daredevil's show.

Like, how it's a bit more nuanced than other LOUD MCU movies. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Feel the same way.

 

[Moridin]

After all of these years of "Why isn't Iron Man helping Captain America...even though the last time we saw Tony Stark he was having heart surgery...he should have healed up and been ready to know that Cap needed help, then fly across the country in time to do so" we are now getting people complaining about Falcon being exactly where Falcon was seen last time, in order to allow a cross-over.

If you are never, ever going to be happy with what they do, just stop watching.

Implying that I'm a constant critic of the MCU. Infact, I'm not. I'm a huge MCU fan, evidenced by the fact I post almost exclusively in MCU threads. Several MCU films are among my all time favourites (IM3, TA, TWS, IM).

And for the record I've never complained about IM not helping Cap in TWS or Thor not showing up in IM3 etc, because there was plenty in universe reasons for them not to. I'm not a fan of cameos for the sake of cameos, they need to be handled well too. Like Cap's "cameo" in TDW, clever, funny & made total sense in the context of the film & Loki's character.

The thing about the cameo in question is this:

Spoiler

The end-credits stinger strongly suggests that events in Ant-Man are happening simultaneously with Civil War, or at least at the start of it. Which may also explain why the Avengers facility is unmanned except for Falcon. The split may have already happened, or be in the process of happening, at the point where Scott drops in. I'm very interested to how this scene plays out from the other side in Civil War.

That doesn't really make sense though.

Spoiler

Falcon is home alone at HQ but also off on a mission with Cap?

Actually Moridin the [blackout]signal jammer was mentioned in the scene after and used in the Pym technology heist.[/blackout]

OK, thanks, I mentioned the following scene, but had forgotten the latter. [BLACKOUT]Couldn't Pym or Lang just build a new one though? Why did Pym just randomly hide a "signal jammer" in a Stark building?[/BLACKOUT] Makes no sense. Just an excuse to shoehorn in a cameo.

We don't be needing facts when someone is ranting!!!!!!

It was an actual question, not a statement. Thanks though, nice to be made out to be a nonsensical ranter with no ligitmate points by a mod. I've always wondered what it would be like, now I know.

 

[The Shape]

EDIT: I will say that I enjoyed how much this film felt like a film taking place in the MCU rather than an MCU film, if that makes sense. Similar to how I felt about Daredevil's show.

I love that about the Daredevil show and I was hoping for a similar approach here, but I disagree that this movie felt like that.

This could have had the same feel, but Falcon and Avengers HQ being shoe-horned into the center of the movie, along with the numerous name drops to the Avengers, kind of ruined the potential for nuanced MCU references and more of a stand-alone feel. It was definitely a smaller-scaled adventure which was a nice departure for a Marvel movie.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I really liked the film. Second favorite of Phase 2.

EDIT: I will say that I enjoyed how much this film felt like a film taking place in the MCU rather than an MCU film, if that makes sense. Similar to how I felt about Daredevil's show.

Agree with you about the smaller scope being sort of a nice change of pace after all the big action we've seen in Phase 2. I know some are knocking the film for seemingly being inconsequential to the larger MCU but I'm not sure that's going to be the case. We know Rudd is showing up in CW and Feige said that Wasp will play a part in either a single or multiple Phase 3 films.

 

[Lencho01]

Like, how it's a bit more nuanced than other LOUD MCU movies. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Feel the same way.

I love that about the Daredevil show and I was hoping for a similar approach here, but I disagree that this movie felt like that.

This could have had the same feel, but Falcon and Avengers HQ being shoe-horned into the center of the movie, along with the numerous name drops to the Avengers, kind of ruined the potential for nuanced MCU references and more of a stand-alone feel. It was definitely a smaller-scaled adventure which was a nice departure for a Marvel movie.

Agree with you about the smaller scope being sort of a nice change of pace after all the big action we've seen in Phase 2. I know some are knocking the film for seemingly being inconsequential to the larger MCU but I'm not sure that's going to be the case. We know Rudd is showing up in CW and Feige said that Wasp will play a part in either a single or multiple Phase 3 films.

Yeah, the Falcon and Avengers HQ aspect of the film goes against it. But, overall, I liked how far removed it was from everything else for the most part. Maybe if they left it to the Falcon bit at the end it would've worked better.

In some ways, it was what I liked about Guardians. Outside of Thanos and the Orb, it was pretty removed from everything else due to the fact that it was barely on Earth.

I'm hoping this what's done with the Marvey/Sony Spidey films other than the supposed rumored scene.

 

[jmc]

My thoughts on the inclusion of other Marvel characters in cameo roles in this and other Marvel movies....

I have been a member here since 2002 (13 years)...and in that time have read thousands of posts saying - Wouldn't it be cool if this giant Marvel character showed up in this other character's movie - Man I wish they had put this minor character that is connected to this character into the movie in some way - wouldn't it be cool if some other Marvel characters happened to walk through a Marvel movie....it is what everyone begged to happen.

Now....we have major marvel characters showing up for cameos in other marvel characters' movies...we have minor Marvel characters that are connected to a character being included and or referenced in their movies....we have various Marvel characters walking through Marvel movies......and people are complaining about it. I know this is a MARVEL forum....but I definately feel like I am in BIZZARO WORLD.

The comic books are chock full of characters appearing in other books for large roles in the storylines or for just a few panels for fun.

Maybe it's because these aren't comic books.

 

[conan69]

I enjoyed the hell out of this movie. IMHO, its one of the better Marvels films right behind CA:Winter Soldier and the first Iron Man film... way ahead of the Iron Man and Thor sequels and Age of Ultron.


Im also enjoying how well received this film has been considering that for years people had gone on and on about how uninteresting Ant-Man would be.

 

[AlmightyWho]

My thoughts on the inclusion of other Marvel characters in cameo roles in this and other Marvel movies....

I have been a member here since 2002 (13 years)...and in that time have read thousands of posts saying - Wouldn't it be cool if this giant Marvel character showed up in this other character's movie - Man I wish they had put this minor character that is connected to this character into the movie in some way - wouldn't it be cool if some other Marvel characters happened to walk through a Marvel movie....it is what everyone begged to happen.

Now....we have major marvel characters showing up for cameos in other marvel characters' movies...we have minor Marvel characters that are connected to a character being included and or referenced in their movies....we have various Marvel characters walking through Marvel movies......and people are complaining about it. I know this is a MARVEL forum....but I definately feel like I am in BIZZARO WORLD.

The comic books are chock full of characters appearing in other books for large roles in the storylines or for just a few panels for fun.

Yup. Pretty much.

 

[Heretic]

Implying that I'm a constant critic of the MCU. Infact, I'm not. I'm a huge MCU fan, evidenced by the fact I post almost exclusively in MCU threads. Several MCU films are among my all time favourites (IM3, TA, TWS, IM).

Believe me, I feel you. I am constantly labeled a "troll" and "hater" when I dare find ANY flaw in ANYTHING. Sure, 6 months later everyone can pretty much agree that maybe Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance wasn't a perfect movie...but anyone who finds ANY flaws on opening weekend must certainly be a troll. If you say "I loved this movie and here are 10,000 reasons why, but one scene felt a bit weak" there are certain people on this site who will ignore the good points and then treat your one complaint as if you were committing a grave sin against the comic movie gods. It's kind of childish.

If you didn't like that aspect and this is consistent with earlier comments, then that is fine.

 

[flickchick85]

Maybe it's because these aren't comic books.

They're comic books in motion. Brought to life as a bigger, louder and more immersive and expensive experiences. That's what Marvel's doing with the MCU. Anyone who's not on board with that best jump off the train, cuz they won't be changing directions anytime soon.

Anyway, just got back, and I kinda loved this. It was a nice change of pace from the increasingly huge spectacles of the MCU films. Rudd did a great job making Scott a lovable underdog, and I felt Reed did a surprisingly good job essentially directing someone else's movie. This one had a lot of heart. I like heart. It's probably my 2nd favorite origin film of the MCU, behind Iron Man and tied w/ GotG. 8/10.

 

[Sean of Justice]

They're comic books in motion. Brought to life as a bigger, louder and more immersive and expensive experience. That's what Marvel's doing with the MCU. Anyone who's not on board with that best jump off the train, cuz they won't be changing directions anytime soon.

Anyway, just got back, and I kinda loved this. It was a nice change of pace from the increasingly huge spectacles of the MCU films. Rudd did a great job making Scott a lovable underdog, and I felt Reed did a surprisingly good job essentially directing someone else's movie. This one had a lot of heart. I like heart. It's probably my 2nd favorite origin film of the MCU, behind Iron Man and tied w/ GotG. 8/10.

Who might that be?