Apocalypse Archangel - the Horseman Death

[JP]

Should we merge this thread with the Ben hardy one, or?

 

[flickchick85]

Is he officially Archangel now?

 

[JP]

If you believe Jeff Sneider of TheWrap.com!

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah...I'm gonna need more to go on than that, lol.

Also, re-posting this for the new page:

That's just OT die hards clinging to the last bits of hope from their timeline

Weren't you already warned by the mods?

You all were, so here it is: cool it with the talk of timelines/continuity/old casts etc. in this thread, unless it DIRECTLY relates to Archangel, because those conversations are not only off-topic, but also seem to have the magical power of instantly turning everyone into children.

Should anyone choose to continue that line of discussion in here after this warning, I will assume they are looking for some time off.

 

[JP]

Yeah...I'm gonna need more to go on than that, lol.

Well, he was the one who said Hardy was in the film in the first place. Haha... But, fair enough.

 

[flickchick85]

Don't get me wrong, I think he's probably on the level as he's usually a pretty solid source, but I just don't want to merge the threads 'til we know for sure.

 

[JP]

Oh no, I understand. Haha.

 

[def28]

I think his skin should be gray, like in Rise of Apocalypse. We already have 3 blue mutants already.

Yeah, a more greyish or even very pale blue would be better. Maybe along with dark armor that's blue, black and silver.

 

[Mad Ones]

Please no smurf blue.

 

[kasjan]

She had powers of persuasion, not telepathy.

Xavier is telepath and can do same, all telepaths can do this, so it's connected to telepathion.

And bring on blue Archangel!

 

[ciscostudent561]

I doubt it
Nothing says death like a pale grey Angel

 

[X-Maniac]

Angel/Archangel is just the latest example of a duplicate character within the franchise (others so far being Jubilee, Moira, Emma, Sabretooth, Toad, Deadpool, Psylocke). There is a weird tendency for re-imagining characters, and this is partly because many of them weren't done right the first time (they were shoehorned into minor roles or were poorly depicted).

In fact, this new Angel will be the third incarnation considering Vaughn was daft enough to put a female Angel in First Class.

On the one hand, maybe they will do more justice to these characters than was done previously. They're definitely not trying hard to adhere to what the previous films have done - Singer even contradicted his own X1 hints of Magneto/Xavier origins when he wrote First Class.

Yes, all this recasting and whatnot means the franchise timeline/continuity is a little messy and convoluted. Our main film writer at work commented on that after seeing The Wolverine and DoFP. He felt the films leap about in time too much and are not simple to follow.

The mainstream won't care about a new Jubilee or Psylocke because those were very minor roles they won't remember, and I never heard any mainstream viewers (non-geek friends, people at work, etc) make complaints about duplicates of Emma, Moira, Sabretooth or Toad. Whether they remember X3's Angel more clearly and are thrown by this new version is difficult to say at this point.

I've no doubt Singer couldn't resist the contrasting elements of angel/demon in putting Angel in DoFP alongside Nightcrawler. He loves his elemental opposites (fire/ice with Sunspot/Iceman and Iceman/Pyro and Azazel/Emma Frost... and beauty/beast with Storm/Nightcrawler in X2). We could have waited to get Archangel in the next movie, but since when have they ever waited? Deathbird would have been good (and a great set-up for Shi'ar) but to fans might seem like an odd substitute for Archangel, so why not just put him in where he belongs in comic book terms.

X-Men Apocalypse could still be a great film but the threads of continuity are fairly thin and tattered by now that you either create constructs of fanboy logic or just kick back and go with it and treat each film on its merits.

I hope they make it so Angel deserves to be in the film and that it isn't too much of a head-scratcher for casual viewers who remember the version in X3.

 

[psylockolussus]

Xavier is telepath and can do same, all telepaths can do this, so it's connected to telepathion.

Kalya Silverfox didn't read minds and as you can see in the film, when she used her powers, she had to talk. Not like what Xavier is doing when he's doing his mind tricks.

 

[psylockolussus]

Angel/Archangel is just the latest example of a duplicate character within the franchise (others so far being Jubilee, Moira, Emma, Sabretooth, Toad, Deadpool, Psylocke).

Include Trask and its a complete list.

Oh yeah Angel/Jubilee are the latest example of duplicate characters. Like I get kinda OCD when I think about this.. but if its gonna lead to a better version of Angel, Jubilee, Psylocke.. why not I guess and a full reboot is not happening anytime soon.

And its interesting for me that Jubilee, Nightcrawler and Angel are already confirmed for Apocalypse because I wanted them to be in DOFP and replaced Blink, Sunspot and Warpath.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I found it odd that they included Toad in DOFP at all. It was such a tiny part, and they didn't improve the character. Seemed like a pointless inconsistency.

 

[psylockolussus]

Who knows, that Toad could have been connected to X1 Toad. Like maybe he rejoined Mystique after Magneto got out of prison. Anyway, its interesting that the four Brotherhood members from X1 got their younger version or appeared in the past period.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[X-Maniac]

Include Trask and its a complete list.

Oh yeah Angel/Jubilee are the latest example of duplicate characters. Like I get kinda OCD when I think about this.. but if its gonna lead to a better version of Angel, Jubilee, Psylocke.. why not I guess and a full reboot is not happening anytime soon.

And its interesting for me that Jubilee, Nightcrawler and Angel are already confirmed for Apocalypse because I wanted them to be in DOFP and replaced Blink, Sunspot and Warpath.

Oh yes, Trask - another reimagined/recast character!

I agree, it's easy to get OCD about it. But they are sort of trying to do little reboots here and there but still keep the feel of a franchise and keep the best of the cast, it's quite sneaky... Trying to have their cake and eat it!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Bryan singer of all people isn't afraid to retcon if it means he gets to tell the story he wants