Comics Are you ready for the SECOND COMING of the Mutant Messiah?

[Havok83]

I love this panel bc I love Hope and well I hate Scott too

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[Specter313]

X-Men: Hellbound #2

Story by Chris Yost
Art by Harvey Tolibao
Cover by Marko Djurdjevic
Publisher Marvel Comics
Cover Price: $3.99
Release Date Wed, June 9th, 2010

It's the X-Men vs. DEATH-literally! With Bastion and his forces cutting through their teammates back on Earth, Cannonball and his team of X-Men know that they need to complete their mission and get back to the front fast. But that's easier said than done; a trip to Hell never quite goes as planned. With Magik still nowhere in sight, the X-Men's mission to retrieve her only becomes more complicated when one of their own is corrupted by Limbo's influence.

 

[Manic]

About Hope's reaction: She has every right to feel upset about losing her dad, so I don't blame her for that. She's still a useless brat who caused all this by coming home when she wasn't ready to, though.

About Hellbound: Looking forward to this issue. I've given up on people remembering that Pixie's hair is black striped, though.

 

[Manic]

Not really. Bastion has opened a time-portal that's unleashing an army of Nimrod Sentinels. In order to shut it down, Cable and a few other people have used Cable's time-sliding tech to go to the future to shut the portal down. Cable's time-slider only had enough power for one last jump, meaning they're all likely stuck in the future. Cyclops sent them on a mission they can never come back from, so they're essentially "dead."

Except there's a portal from the future in the middle of San Francisco. They'll probably use it to come back, after they've shut down the sentinels.


What I want to know is, if they knew Cable only had enough power for one jump, why didn't they give him more power? It was one thing when Cable was in the middle of a future wasteland with no resources; Beast is around (and Charles & Erik/Max ain't too shabby with technology), and they have the resources of Utopia's lab. If the portal extends into the Marin Headlands, they might even have access to whatever tech they might've left behind in the X-Center.

 

[OutcryX]

Manic!! Hush yo mouth!! quit making so much sense!

 

[Marvin]

I don't read xbooks ever, but this event is really compelling.
I'm expecially enjoying how unlike most marvel events it is, ala bendis people sit around on a couch with pete/cage/logan makeing jokes and drinking, and then a big splash page of these cool character mashups...

this is just awesome, there are teams made and stragems concieved I really am curious where it is all going.

QQ, where is magneto, wouldn't he be a big help in the face of this new threat?
and why haven't the xmen called on other marvel heroes, I mean they are dying...

 

[javi1024]

QQ, where is magneto, wouldn't he be a big help in the face of this new threat?
and why haven't the xmen called on other marvel heroes, I mean they are dying...

just before this event started Magneto used every ounce of his strength to bring back Kitty Pryde whos been lost in space for the passed 2 yrs trapped in a planet-sized flying bullet (sounds corny but the story was awesome). hes been in ICU since Second Coming started and he just woke up like 3 issues ago.

as far as the heroes are concerned, the X-Men have always been treated as the outcasts of the superhero community (by writers and narrative). they have a good standing with Iron Man and Cap and such, but they work best in their own little world. plus with Norman Osborn's past reign he pretty much forced Scott's decision to move them all to their mutant island Utopia. that being said, the Avengers have come to try and bust them out of their dome, and this coming issue shows the Fantastic Four lending a hand as well.

 

[Marvin]

oh right, i remember reading about pryde in whedons run(yes, i read the popular books). guess that explains magneto.

there is still a narrative flaw in that there are moments when cyclops has is back literally against the wall(against AI) and his numbers are literaly dying and it never occurs to him to call for tony/reed/ and or Thor...just seems a little contrived in this great big world of continuity.

thanks for the info

 

[javi1024]

oh right, i remember reading about pryde in whedons run(yes, i read the popular books). guess that explains magneto.

there is still a narrative flaw in that there are moments when cyclops has is back literally against the wall(against AI) and his numbers are literaly dying and it never occurs to him to call for tony/reed/ and or Thor...just seems a little contrived in this great big world of continuity.

thanks for the info

well i think its better (and easier) that each book stays in its own pocket of the grander marvel universe. yeah they all live like a block away from each other but they dont need to be coming over each other's houses every day.

 

[Havok83]

oh right, i remember reading about pryde in whedons run(yes, i read the popular books). guess that explains magneto.

there is still a narrative flaw in that there are moments when cyclops has is back literally against the wall(against AI) and his numbers are literaly dying and it never occurs to him to call for tony/reed/ and or Thor...just seems a little contrived in this great big world of continuity.

thanks for the info

Why would Cyclops call Tony Starks? When Tony asked for his cooperation during Civil War, Scott and Emma pretty much told him to deal with it himself as they werent going to choose a side. Tony and Ms. Marvel appeared in New X-men when Jay was killed and after the children were slaughtered. Emma ripped into her good about them not being around to help. The last time Tony interacted with Scott was after the mansion was destroyed and Tony asked him whey he didnt go to him for help. Scott told him that mutants trouble tend to get worse when the gov't gets involves. They got into it pretty bad and Scott told him the Xmen werent going to register and become part of the Iniative which is what, Tony really came for. Scott not asking Tony for help isnt contrived...they dont have a good relationship

 

[Marvin]

I'm sure all that would apply if tony was still doing his evil gov't thing.

weighing dying xmen vs a rocky friend ship is classic comics I'll give them that.

 

[Manic]

Tony was a major dick during Civil War, though. The X-Men said they weren't taking any sides and had no business getting involved because of their dwindling numbers, but Tony left a message with the Neon Genesis Mobile Suit Sentinel Robo Squad (GO!!!) to take out the X-Men if they moved, anyway. Why did he even bother asking them to register with the SHRA if they were already registered with the government via the O*N*E?

 

[Havok83]

I'm sure all that would apply if tony was still doing his evil gov't thing.

weighing dying xmen vs a rocky friend ship is classic comics I'll give them that.

What friendship? Scott and Tony have never been portrayed as friends. Their teams have worked together in the past but that does not make them friends. You also have to rememebr that up until an few weeks ago, Norman Osborn was running things in the US. It was his battle with Osborn which led to Scott moving everyone to Utopia. Around this same time Iron Man became a fugitive with his own set of problems and ended up in a coma so recivin help from him wasnt even an option. Scott didnt feel he needed any outside help bc he was handling things. He didnt need the Avengers or FF. Your arugment is kind of a moot point now anyway bc the Avengers did show up in the last issue and the FF will be showing up in the next.

Tony was a major dick during Civil War, though. The X-Men said they weren't taking any sides and had no business getting involved because of their dwindling numbers, but Tony left a message with the Neon Genesis Mobile Suit Sentinel Robo Squad (GO!!!) to take out the X-Men if they moved, anyway. Why did he even bother asking them to register with the SHRA if they were already registered with the government via the O*N*E?

Exactly and he kept pursuing the issue even though Scott told him repeatedly to leave them alone. And I dont blame him bc the SHRA was very similar to the Mutant Registration Act which led to Days of Future Past and the sentinel program which Kelly tried to push for back in the 80s. Didnt work out too well for mutants then so I dont blame Scott for not trusting Tony or the government and handling his own situations among his group

 

[Marvin]

What friendship? Scott and Tony have never been portrayed as friends. Their teams have worked together in the past but that does not make them friends. You also have to rememebr that up until an few weeks ago, Norman Osborn was running things in the US. It was his battle with Osborn which led to Scott moving everyone to Utopia. Around this same time Iron Man became a fugitive with his own set of problems and ended up in a coma so recivin help from him wasnt even an option. Scott didnt feel he needed any outside help bc he was handling things. He didnt need the Avengers or FF. Your arugment is kind of a moot point now anyway bc the Avengers did show up in the last issue and the FF will be showing up in the next.

the point was and is why didn't scott ask for help from any of the other non mutant teams. Obviously the writers have a story to tell but the universe is full of characters that should be willing to help. especially when xmen start dying.

lets try this a different way. last i read(and it was a while ago) logan was a member of the "avengers" taking tony the "tyrant" out of the equation does it really make sense that no avengers would have helped out earlier or logan call his buds...same with beast.
funny enough, in secret invasion and in house of m and in probably some other books, the xmen and avengers are often seen working together to deal with threats of a powerful nature.
I believe that the xmen even asked "other marvel heroes" for help to save kitty pryde.

like i said, to me it just seems contrived that the writers would wait until now to have other characters present in the story.

 

[Havok83]

the point was and is why didn't scott ask for help from any of the other non mutant teams. Obviously the writers have a story to tell but the universe is full of characters that should be willing to help. especially when xmen start dying.

lets try this a different way. last i read(and it was a while ago) logan was a member of the "avengers" taking tony the "tyrant" out of the equation does it really make sense that no avengers would have helped out earlier or logan call his buds...same with beast.
funny enough, in secret invasion and in house of m and in probably some other books, the xmen and avengers are often seen working together to deal with threats of a powerful nature.
I believe that the xmen even asked "other marvel heroes" for help to save kitty pryde.

like i said, to me it just seems contrived that the writers would wait until now to have other characters present in the story.

The X-men and Avengers have mainly worked together when theres been a mutual threat that has affected both of them. Example, Onslaught, Secret Invasion, HoM. They dont generally just get involved in each other's business when it doesnt directly affect them and the Xmen's problems since going to San Francisco has nothad an affect on them.

What other non-mutant teams would they have gone to? Logan is a New Avenger and that brings up its own continuity issues. They've been fugitives and outlaws in the eyes of the law since Civil War. They had their own issues with trying to stay underground. Scott never went to them bc again he took a neutral stance and working with the NA would be taking a side and make the Xmen a target.

The Fantastic Four? They were led by Reed Richards. Although not nearly as bad, he was one of the main backers behind the SHRA and suppoted Tony. Storm did bring in the FF to help for that Morlock arc when Reed wasnt apart of the group.

The Mighty Avengers? They were a group formed by Tony out of the aftermath of Civil War and later ran by another of his supporters, Hank Pym. Similar issues.

Thunderbolts? A team of villians who were run by Norman? Ditto for the Dark Avengers.

Runaways/Young Avengers? They are groups of kids and I couldnt have seen Scott bringing outside children into their mess.

Most of the other teams out there were part of the Initiative and following Secret Invasion, all operated under Norman Osborn, whom couldnt be trusted. Besides why would he have been going to them. I cant think of a time since the move to SF where they needed outside assistance. The worse things that have happened to them since that were the Utopia arc, Necrosha and now Second Coming. We are still in the middle of the latter, but the other 2 and all other problems, Scott has handled effectively. I may not have liked his methods but the X-men dealt with them internally.. This isnt like it was in the 90s and 80s. There are dozens of Xmen now. i dont have a count but I bet there are close to 100 mutants on that island. They have plenty of manpower and havent needed backup or help

Scott hasnt even trusted his own teammates with the truth and gone to them fo help. People like Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler among many others who he's known since he was a teen and young adult and who were among his closest friends and allies. If he's not going to go to them for help, what makes you think he'd go to other non-mutant groups which he's not that close with? Come on, lets be serious

 

[EvilClareToo]

Well put, Havok!

 

[OutcryX]

Tony was a major dick during Civil War, though. The X-Men said they weren't taking any sides and had no business getting involved because of their dwindling numbers, but Tony left a message with the Neon Genesis Mobile Suit Sentinel Robo Squad (GO!!!) to take out the X-Men if they moved, anyway. Why did he even bother asking them to register with the SHRA if they were already registered with the government via the O*N*E?

the the Neon Genesis Mobile Suit Sentinel Robo Squad....wow

 

[Manic]

You don't know how close I was to adding "MegaZord" in there.

 

[javi1024]

so we have some kind of confusion with Iceman. either K&Y forgot last issue that Bobby's body transforms into ice, making it impossible to receive third-degree burns in that form and needing to be hospitalized, or Fraction didn't read Bobby's condition in their script and kept him unharmed in the field.

 

[javi1024]

i was pretty surprised with Hellbound yesterday. i wasnt expecting much from list series, but i enjoyed it more than uncanny this week.

 

[Charlie Boy]

Sooo is Gambit, Northstar and Dazzler dead, or just possessed?

 

[Manic]

I think Limbo does something to a person's mind that kinda brings out a little of your dark side. As it is, Gambit was already struggling with his. So I think his Death persona just completely took over. What's totally weird is that Gambit has the ability to expand his Deathiness onto other people.

I think that's going to come in handy. If Gambit and his army of X-slaves can carve a bloody path to Magik first, they can set her free just before Pixie swoops in and fixes them with a few stabs from her Soul Dagger.

 

[Havok83]

so we have some kind of confusion with Iceman. either K&Y forgot last issue that Bobby's body transforms into ice, making it impossible to receive third-degree burns in that form and needing to be hospitalized, or Fraction didn't read Bobby's condition in their script and kept him unharmed in the field.

I was confused by that but Im taking it as Iceman healed. Really he shouldnt have been injured how he was in Xforce.

Overall I found UXM rather boring. In this crossover, Fraction's issues tended to be the weakest for me. Oh and Dodson draws a horrible rendition of X-force

I didnt think Hellbound did much for me. It was a whole lot of nothing. Unimpressed. I was initially interested bc I thought it was going to be a Magik mini, but 2 issues in and she's yet to appear. At least Gambit got some more focus

 

[Manic]

I did notice that nothing seemed to happen in Fraction's latest issue. It was just used to establish that all the stuff that happened before is still happening.

Yes, the sentinels are still attacking.
Yes, the rest of the Marvel Universe is still sitting outside the dome.
Yes, X-Force has been sent to a future where all of the mutants are dead, and here's them repeating their plan again.
Oh, and here's a setup for Rogue & Hope to do something in Legacy, and another setup for Charles & David to do something in New Mutants.


However, I did like Fantomex's shot at the Watchmen movie.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Fantomex calling The Dark Knight "stupid" made him my fav comic character of the week. With Mon-El coming in a close 2nd