Arnold Is Back for Terminator 5 - Part 1

[Doc Ock]

I actually liked Salvation but T3 is okay by me to be forgotten.

 

[MrMaooz]

I hated TS, but T3 was a decent, entertaining movie. I laughed at the funny bits.

Alright, even if you hated it, at least tell me you thought that the destructive car chase was awesome?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I hated TS, but T3 was a decent, entertaining movie. I laughed at the funny bits.

Alright, even if you hated it, at least tell me you thought that the destructive car chase was awesome?

Agreed, TS is the worst of the franchise to me.

Both T3 and T4 pale in comparison to T2 and especially T1 for me, both are masterpieces to this day.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I still think it's a reboot along the lines of the JJ's Star Trek. Different continuity but not a hard reboot.

Agreed.


It'll likely be different in that when The Terminators, Kyle Reese, and possibly Future John Connor travel back in time (perhaps to a time earlier than the original 1984 date), they'll create a whole new timeline; an alternate reality, as in Abrams Star Trek.

And this makes sense, when you think back on he films.

Already, the current timeline is an alternate reality to the one before it. For example:

1. New date for Judgement Day

2. The way the Terminators and Skynet came to be is different (actually changes twice in the current timeline)

3. The future is different. The future we see in T1, T2, and even T3, is vastly different than that in Salvation. John even mentions this in Salvation, that the future is different that what Sarah told him about and prepared him for.


So yeah, the idea of "alternate realities" and a sort of loop effect in terms of new timelines being created is already in place. I just expect this film to explore it more. Perhaps, with John and Kyle looking for a way to close it.

 

[Loki882]

T3 though had a number of issues, and I really think it's due to its director.

The story's fine though the TX felt contrived. Not because she's a woman, but more on her powers. It felt like they struggled to make her a threat despite the greatness of the almost invisible T-100.

Also the humor wasn't as clever as T2. AT all. Talk to the hand was already dated by 2003.

I actually like the TX. She wasn't a great villain like the T-1000, but she worked well enough. Plus, the sight of the brawny man himself getting his butt wooped by a woman less than a third of his size was just funny to me. My big problem with T3 was that it completely contradicted the idea of the first two films. Those movie made it very clear over and over and over again that the Skynet-controlled future was only one POSSIBLE future. That it could be prevented/changed. Then we get to T3 and all of a sudden, Judgment Day is inevitable/unavoidable, yeah no not buying it movie.

 

[Octoberist]

I actually like the TX. She wasn't a great villain like the T-1000, but she worked well enough. Plus, the sight of the brawny man himself getting his butt wooped by a woman less than a third of his size was just funny to me. My big problem with T3 was that it completely contradicted the idea of the first two films. Those movie made it very clear over and over and over again that the Skynet-controlled future was only one POSSIBLE future. That it could be prevented/changed. Then we get to T3 and all of a sudden, Judgment Day is inevitable/unavoidable, yeah no not buying it movie.

The idea of a female terminator isn't a bad one. It's that they were throwing darks at the board in terms of her powers. She can control machines? Check. She has a gun arm thing. Check.

But regarding T3's story problems:

With Linda Hamilton's narration in T2, it's always the assumption that the narrator is speaking in the NOW, and the story of T2 took place in the past. More or less, that tends to be the storytelling convention for centuries.

So you would assume that Linda's narration is from the future and Skynet was prevented. But nah, T3 is like 'Let's milk it'.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't get why some think this will be like nutrek.Arnold besides I think It's total
reboot.

It's been called part one of "Stand Alone" Trilogy.Plus I vew it more like Casino Royale than Trek 2009.Arnold Is like Judi dench.And like the bond reboot they may have things longtime fans can see and enjoy while it's not in same contunity.

There has been reports Arnold Is protecting Sarah Connor as she is growing up.Now if true that alone says total reboot.And big question Is what does that mean for Kyle Reece?He could very well be simply the present day love of sarah.
Now if Arnold was the villain that would be better but it doesn't look like that Is happening.Plus we know there will be more glimpses of future than In original films before salvation.

For a Trek 2009 like situation there would have to be time travel prior to first film's 1984 setting.I seriously doudt the "Past" here won't be present day.

 

[Octoberist]

Maybe..MAYBE.

It's just a guess. We don't know anything.

 

[DA_Champion]

It's really difficult to conceive of a movie better than the first Terminator.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's really difficult to conceive of a movie better than the first Terminator.

COnsidering how I think of Thor:The dark world it's hard to imagine director of that doing a film as good as james Cameron.While I may not love Titanic no doudt he Is heavyweight.But,then again maybe MS were to blame for some of
weaknesses of Thor:The Dark World.

Hopefully this will turn out better than total recall and Robocop reboots.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, Alan Taylor didn't write the script for TDW, and the movie was heavily messed with in editing. From what I've read/heard, most of the problems with that movie aren't really his fault.

 

[Daywalker89]

Good old studio interference which will most likely happen with this film , was it the case with Salvation or was that due to the writers strike at the time.

 

[Solidus]

No, actually not with this film. That's the one hope I have because of the Ellison siblings controlling it all. They are actually pretty damn good filmmakers and have quite the resume. I will say that's the least of my worries.

 

[Daywalker89]

No, actually not with this film. That's the one hope I have because of the Ellison siblings controlling it all. They are actually pretty damn good filmmakers and have quite the resume. I will say that's the least of my worries.

Nice, ok i didn't know that cheers for the heads up. This films build up will be on my timeline, i can't see where this film can tread in the Terminator series without hitting some sensitive nerves but it will be interesting as hell.

 

[DA_Champion]

Yeah, Alan Taylor didn't write the script for TDW, and the movie was heavily messed with in editing. From what I've read/heard, most of the problems with that movie aren't really his fault.

That is what Taylor claims, is it actually true?

 

[Warhammer]

Agreed.


It'll likely be different in that when The Terminators, Kyle Reese, and possibly Future John Connor travel back in time (perhaps to a time earlier than the original 1984 date), they'll create a whole new timeline; an alternate reality, as in Abrams Star Trek.

And this makes sense, when you think back on he films.

Already, the current timeline is an alternate reality to the one before it. For example:

1. New date for Judgement Day

2. The way the Terminators and Skynet came to be is different (actually changes twice in the current timeline)

3. The future is different. The future we see in T1, T2, and even T3, is vastly different than that in Salvation. John even mentions this in Salvation, that the future is different that what Sarah told him about and prepared him for.


So yeah, the idea of "alternate realities" and a sort of loop effect in terms of new timelines being created is already in place. I just expect this film to explore it more. Perhaps, with John and Kyle looking for a way to close it.

I agree. Oh man, this post reminds me of the massive flamewars that took place in the Terminator Salvation thread prior to release. Good times.

 

[DA_Champion]

Re: Alan Taylor

WRT Thor 2: The Dark World, the only thing he *****ed about that I'm aware of is the after-the-credits scene for Guardians of the Galaxy. He did not want it in the movie.

If that's all there was in terms of studio interference, then I'm not impressed. That was really the least of the problems with the movie.

 

[-JKR-]

@DA_Champion: It seems like Marvel Studios basically took over the film in post-production. They fired his composer, scheduled re-shoots to lighten it up, and pretty much edited it to their own liking. Of course it was never officially confirmed (even though I expect Taylor to open up about it some time in the future, when he's not supposed to sell Thor: TDW anymore), but these rumors came from the same source that claimed that the original composer had been fired... and in fact, a couple of days later it was confirmed and Brian Tyler was brought on board to do it.

To this day, I'm ****ing grateful that Marvel Stuidos more or less left Shane Black alone to make the movie he wanted on Iron Man 3. And I guess that's due to Robert Downey jr.'s star power. After the dissapointment of Iron Man 2 he probably made sure they wouldn't tinker with the director's vision this time around. THANK. EFFIN'. GOD.

 

[Loki882]

Also, the original director for TDW (Patty Jenkins) left the project because she had disagreements with Marvel over how the movie was going, and of course Kenneth Branagh didn't come back either. Taylor and Christopher Eccleston also talked about how they had all of this background/character stuff to further flesh out the villain Malekith/explain his motivations better, and it was removed from the movie. Basically, all of Malekith's backstory and character-building scenes were removed, which neither the director or actor were particularly happy about.

 

[Loki882]

@DA_Champion: It seems like Marvel Studios basically took over the film in post-production. They fired his composer, scheduled re-shoots to lighten it up, and pretty much edited it to their own liking. Of course it was never officially confirmed (even though I expect Taylor to open up about it some time in the future, when he's not supposed to sell Thor: TDW anymore), but these rumors came from the same source that claimed that the original composer had been fired... and in fact, a couple of days later it was confirmed and Brian Tyler was brought on board to do it.

To this day, I'm ****ing grateful that Marvel Stuidos more or less left Shane Black alone to make the movie he wanted on Iron Man 3. And I guess that's due to Robert Downey jr.'s star power. After the dissapointment of Iron Man 2 he probably made sure they wouldn't tinker with the director's vision this time around. THANK. EFFIN'. GOD.

I personally didn't really care for IM 3, it was really disappointing to me.

 

[-JKR-]

Yeah, I know it's not very popular with fans (I'm one myself, but whatever). What I find sad about the whole uproar about Iron Man 3 is that Shane Black has always been very open to discuss the movie with the fans. But didn't even get a chance.

Personally, I think it's the only really worthwhile movie produced by the Marvel Studios together with Jon Favreau's Iron Man. The Avengers was kinda nice and cute, but that's pretty much about it. It plays too safe. It barely has a plot, or any bold or suprising (creative) decisions.

 

[marvelrobbins]

My probelms with Thor the dark world were very little about villain stayed in final film,and the earth scenes.Bringing back darcy was bad enough but giving her
an intern My Issues with thor films have always been I roll my eyes on
earth scenes while I generly like the Asgard parts of film.

This film Is going to depend how the script and direction.Arnold as the terminator again alone Isn't a gurantee.With this as reboot It's going to depend how much respect they show to the Cameron Terminator films.

 

[DA_Champion]

Yeah, I know it's not very popular with fans (I'm one myself, but whatever). What I find sad about the whole uproar about Iron Man 3 is that Shane Black has always been very open to discuss the movie with the fans. But didn't even get a chance.

Personally, I think it's the only really worthwhile movie produced by the Marvel Studios together with Jon Favreau's Iron Man. The Avengers was kinda nice and cute, but that's pretty much about it. It plays too safe. It barely has a plot, or any bold or suprising (creative) decisions.

Wow, I'm not the only person alive who sees the avengers plot as too vanilla.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Marvel also demanded that Taylor put more jokes in in TDW and this was a big problem in the movie, especially in the final battle.

Again its why I am willing to give Taylor a chance with this Terminator re-boot. His work on GoT is sublime, and on Thor 2 they clearly didnt let him do his thing.

 

[marvelrobbins]

His work on games of thrones Is reason why I have any hope for his work on terminator.
Plus Terminator should be completly different film than Thor.

And if they copy any terminator films please not T3 and only Terminator and T2.