Arnold Is Back for Terminator 5 - Part 1

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yup. Im an intuitive person and I can kinda tell when someone isn't the up to it.

Though I was wrong with Channan Tatum. The key to his success was that he befriended and worked with the right people. (Soderbergh, Lord/Miller)

I like Tatum in comedies and think he's fine in side roles in action films. I don't know if I buy him as lead action guy yet.

Anyway I'm not asking for Courtney to be amazing because competent is fine with me. If we are talking about young aussie actors I'll say I hope he is more Chris Hemsworth and less Sam Worthington. I'm not taking the Terminator fans word for it this time though.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Spidey I don't know what Terminator fans you're talking about the majority of the reactions I've seen online or in person were people hating the idea of Courtney as Kyle, including myself.

 

[dude stannis]

My issue if anything is Courtney is too masculine for Kyle Reese.

He's too much a stereotypical brawny action hero. Kyle Reese isn't like that.

Well Corporal Hicks, Lt. Coffey and Johnny Ringo where very masculine characters, the difference with Resse wasn't that he was brawny or masculine, it was that he was vulnerable. If Courtney can display that vulnerability, then I'm happy.

 

[Dave McFly]

I always thought those S. M. Stirling Terminator novels would have made great adaptations.

I agree they are mostly set in current day but years after 97 judgement day and you meet a guy who Skynet based the model 101 terminator off of (the Arnold model) who Sarah at first mistakes for a terminator and then becomes a friend and helper to the Connors.

 

[dude stannis]

The amazingly named Dieter Von Rossbach.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well Corporal Hicks, Lt. Coffey and Johnny Ringo where very masculine characters, the difference with Resse wasn't that he was brawny or masculine, it was that he was vulnerable. If Courtney can display that vulnerability, then I'm happy.

Not to mention being a warrior and a survivor, all of this together is Reese in a nutshell, no matter what he looks like.

I think people forget that Biehn was an action hero in the 80's.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Spidey I don't know what Terminator fans you're talking about the majority of the reactions I've seen online or in person were people hating the idea of Courtney as Kyle, including myself.

I mean the fans who are sure this casting will be okay. I acknowledge that a lot of people don't like this choice. I wouldn't go as far as hate on my end but I certainly don't care for it. Of course I will leave all those feelings at the door and fairly judge him based on what he does on screen.

 

[Schlosser85]

I know Michael Biehn was an '80s action hero, but he wasn't a stereotypical brawny hardass, he looked like a regular guy and his characters were vulnerable.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not even a fan of MB but I liked that he looked vulnerable. I know it's the in thing to do I just don't think every character in a sci fi action film should have to look like a Superhero. The contrast between Reese and the Terminator was interesting to me. Cameron turned that on it's head in the sequel to nice effect of course.

I'm not saying not having that is going to kill the film because it won't but it's another annoying reminder of how everything has to be the same now or days.

 

[titansupes]

I know Michael Biehn was an '80s action hero, but he wasn't a stereotypical brawny hardass, he looked like a regular guy and his characters were vulnerable.

Agreed...

I'm not even a fan of MB but I liked that he looked vulnerable. I know it's the in thing to do I just don't think every character in a sci fi action film should have to look like a Superhero. The contrast between Reese and the Terminator was interesting to me. Cameron turned that on it's head in the sequel to nice effect of course.

I'm not saying not having that is going to kill the film because it won't but it's another annoying reminder of how everything has to be the same now or days.

... and again.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know Michael Biehn was an '80s action hero, but he wasn't a stereotypical brawny hardass, he looked like a regular guy and his characters were vulnerable.

The guy was just good in certain roles, he wasnt an amazing actor (though I do think he was under-rated) and he always delivered when playing certain roles.

I dont see why Courtney cant do that, Courtney could always lose some muscle and weight for the role as well.

As I have said before, he is possible my favourite character of all time, certainly my favourite hero, but Reese was a warrior and survivor who showed vulnerability at times and then steeliness at others, the guy took on a T-800 with a metal bar while having a bullet inside of him.

If Courtney can portray that, which any competent actor should be able too, I think he will be good in the role.

 

[DA_Champion]

Michael Biehn may not have looked like Lundgren, but he did not look like a regular guy.

 

[Schlosser85]

Why? He wasn't extremely muscular or anything. Maybe a little better-looking than the average guy, but that's Hollywood for you.

It wasn't just his appearance anyway. As someone said above, I don't think Biehn was (is) an amazing actor, he doesn't have that much range, but his strength was playing the "sensitive soldier" like Kyle Reese or Hicks in Aliens, and he had a vulnerability about him that you don't get with a lot of action heroes and made him more sympathetic and interesting (IMO).

 

[terry78]

Basically it's hard to feel someone is an underdog when they're built like a tank. Stupid it may be, that is the long and short of it.

 

[Octoberist]

I think Michael Biehn just had a certain je ne sais quoin that makes him relatable and a bit of an underdog. He's like a Harrison Ford-lite, hehe.

 

[flickchick85]

Honestly, with all the bellyaching over Courtney, I'm FAR more worried about Emilia Clarke being able to pull off Sarah Connor. She and Kit Harington are easily the weakest links in GoT to me, and I can't help but suspect that her Alan Taylor/GoT connection had a lot to do with her getting the role. Especially considering that she was up against two actresses who could normally act circles around her, imo.

 

[dark_b]

Honestly, with all the bellyaching over Courtney, I'm FAR more worried about Emilia Clarke being able to pull off Sarah Connor. She and Kit Harington are easily the weakest links in GoT to me, and I can't help but suspect that her Alan Taylor/GoT connection had a lot to do with her getting the role. Especially considering that she was up against two actresses who could normally act circles around her, imo.

GOT is popular and Clarke was nude many times. promoting Sarah Connor will be piece of cake. promotion will be on autopilot. hollywood knows what its doing hahahahahahahaha t:

 

[Evil Twin]

It's interesting to me that the nerdosphere is up in arms over Robocop and Terminator getting rebooted, but is excited about Godzilla being rebooted.

I saw the original Godzilla at a Japanese Film Festival in 2011 or so. It's still a great movie. It also doesn't "need" a reboot.

Considering there are something like 30-some Godzilla movies, what's one more? The original is also head and shoulders over what came afterwards and, my impression, is that "what came afterwards" is more likely the inspiration.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why? He wasn't extremely muscular or anything. Maybe a little better-looking than the average guy, but that's Hollywood for you.

It wasn't just his appearance anyway. As someone said above, I don't think Biehn was (is) an amazing actor, he doesn't have that much range, but his strength was playing the "sensitive soldier" like Kyle Reese or Hicks in Aliens, and he had a vulnerability about him that you don't get with a lot of action heroes and made him more sympathetic and interesting (IMO).

I say was more muscular and fit than the average guy in the movie. He wasnt huge but he was in damn good shape.

Basically it's hard to feel someone is an underdog when they're built like a tank. Stupid it may be, that is the long and short of it.

But Courtney will be going up against Arnold, who through training will probably dwarf Courtney in all aspects, I think people are forgetting this.

 

[Solidus]

Honestly, with all the bellyaching over Courtney, I'm FAR more worried about Emilia Clarke being able to pull off Sarah Connor. She and Kit Harington are easily the weakest links in GoT to me, and I can't help but suspect that her Alan Taylor/GoT connection had a lot to do with her getting the role. Especially considering that she was up against two actresses who could normally act circles around her, imo.

One of the few times 100% disagree with you. Emilia out of the casting is one of the few things I feel confident about. I think it had to do with her acting, not just because they were "buds".

 

[Schlosser85]

Arnold is an old man, he's not going to be buff in this like he was in the '80s.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Arnold is an old man, he's not going to be buff in this like he was in the '80s.

He got pretty damn buff for Terminator 3, granted that was 10 years ago, but your body remembers when it comes to training, look at the shape Sly got in for the Expendables movies and he was never as big as Arnold.

I am sure Arnold will be in great shape in the movie.

 

[Octoberist]

AveItWithjamon, I think you're a valued member of the board but do you hate any thing? It seems like you support every movie. it's not meant to be offensive but just an observation.

 

[jacobed]

That's way different. Sly continued to work out throughout his career. Ahhhnald just quit and got gross. He won't be anywhere near to good shape.

I'm curious what exactly is this movie?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Honestly, with all the bellyaching over Courtney, I'm FAR more worried about Emilia Clarke being able to pull off Sarah Connor. She and Kit Harington are easily the weakest links in GoT to me, and I can't help but suspect that her Alan Taylor/GoT connection had a lot to do with her getting the role. Especially considering that she was up against two actresses who could normally act circles around her, imo.

I'm not thrilled with her either. I've only seen a little of both Emilia Clarke and Brie Larson and my impression was that Larson is the better actress and would be a good fit, thus I was rooting on her to get the role. And I haven't even see Short Term 12 yet for which she got rave reviews.

Actors get roles all the time because they are buds with the director. I have no issue with it 95% of the time and I expect it. Of course she got a leg up on her competition because of her previous involvement with the director, I don't see how that can be denied? Hopefully she does a good job in the role.