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Everything was right except the tools set thing. And he forgot to say that someone using one of the Atom's old suits goes into your brain and gives you a massive aneurysm and THEN torches you and your unborn child.:o

What a dick!

I know, I was just making it clearer for Colossal. And sadder. I wanted to see if he'd cry like Cap.:(

I was about to until I read this. Now I gotta man up :cmad:



Feelings: Almost Caught
 
Eyes POPPING OUT OF MY FREAKING HEAD. :woot:

Now THIS is the spidey I've longed to see...cutting loose after "the Other." I also think its good Marvel is being vague on his new strength levels...adds to the mystery, along with his other abilities.

Little confused about the sequence, tho...is that Peter in the guard uniform next to Kingpins' cell? If he's smiling he's a d*** fool.

*has picture of fatso being skewered with the stingers or at least poisoned.*

If Petey does get the symbiote I thinks its gonna be a beyootiful friendship this time around! Altho I suspect it may be the stark costume Pete may have altered.

Peter "effing" Parker. :heart:
 
The art looks great and its good to see Spidey with a spine now. Throwing a jeep and fighting out of costume is a good sign.
 
It feels so good to see that. I remember the old Spider-Man games on Playstation where you could switch the costumes. I always played as regular Peter Parker.
 
It feels so good to see that. I remember the old Spider-Man games on Playstation where you could switch the costumes. I always played as regular Peter Parker.

My favorite costume on the older games was the amazing bag man.
 
Because being shot is the same thing as being raped and then later on being torched to death, and being tortured to death with your dad's old tool set.

ITS THE SAME EXACT THING!

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

I see. I just found it funny that Dread would actually compare this "death" to those other two deaths. Talk about ****ing ridiculous.

In an attempt to mock me you missed my point entirely. My point was that when Aunt May died in the mid 90's, it was NOT from something violent and ugly, but it was from the rigors of old age (her heart, which had been weak for years as this was before USM so May was usually depicted as being in her 80's by then; nowdays most writers have unanimously depicted her maybe 20 years younger, how else could she survive donning BATTLE ARMOR with MJ 1-2 years ago!?). It was poingant as she gave a long, farewell speach to Peter that included knowing about his identity as Spider-Man and being proud. Unfortunately, this was in the middle of the Clone Saga (immediately afterward, Peter was arrested for murders Kaine committed, as they both had the same fingerprints, and Scarlet Spidey helped clear him), a story that Marvel branded as ix-nay and everything from it has to be omitted, retconned, erased, "fixed" or forgotten...even any of the rare bits that were interesting or should matter (like the fact that Peter & MJ had a child that was stillborn; you'd think that a guy who STILL obsesses about the death of his college fiance would maybe even recall the death of a first child, but F that, it "makes him seem older", as one writer or editor justified omitting it put it, much like how FF writers ignore that Johnny Storm was faithfully married to "Alicia Masters" for years IRL before she was exposed as a Skrull, putting to bed the running joke that he can never commit seriously to a relationship).

Okay, tangent alert. My point was that nowadays NO CHARACTER'S DEATH is allowed to be of natural causes and be as poingnant, least of all a supporting non-superhero. Deaths nowadays always have to be over-the-top and violent. May can't die of old age. She has to be gunned down by a hitman hired by the Kingpin, who is already in jail and really has nothing to lose and no possible recourse taken against. Probably the only character in recent memory I could recall who didn't face an ugly, violent death was The Question, who simply succumbed to cancer (and that was DC, who ironically revigorated the trend of shocking, over-the-top mutilating death to beloved characters with IDENTITY CRISIS, although to be fair, killing off Aunt May is more ballsy than killing off the wife of a character who then was an F-Lister who only had a small fanbase; having Ma Kent get shot would be compariable). We have people who claim that her death in ASM #400 was a great comic years later, who still are miffed at the "actress" baloney that Mackie came up with to revive her (and that all but abandoned her character anyway). Maybe JMS feels he has "earned the right" as he easily is the only writer who's done anything major with Aunt May as a character beyond the "doting old bitty" stereotype in maybe 20 years, but it still feels like a decision you'd make if you wanted to parody a current trend, like turning Speedball into Penance.

You expect me to have faith in JMS pulling off a story when he's dropped the ball rather recently with a few stories, and without CW, it would have become apparent he was clearly out of ideas.

JMS wants us to have some gasping emotional reaction to May getting shot, but I just feel numb. She's been killed off before in more dignified fashion, and it's become a bad joke to have death after death after death after death in comics. I literally read that panel and thought, "Oh, AGAIN!?"

I'm just wondering whether or not that jeep actually hits the guy. Pete doesn't seem so concerned about his life when he tosses that thing through the window and even then he's not even sure if the guy has powers that would allow him to withstand it. So, I still think he might wind up accidentally killing someone. You know, just like he accidentally hit MJ?

Perhaps. Heat of the moment and all that, like when he attempted to kill Osborn in REVELATIONS, or even earlier, when DD had to stop him from finishing off Sin-Eater after he killed Jean DeWolfe and almost iced Betty (S-E actually suffered some sort of permanent nerve damage from the beating Spidey gave him, I think).

I'm not saying it is impossible for this to be handled well. I'm just skeptical after blunders with it in the past and some recent Spidey blunders from JMS. When the batter is down 0-2, do you really expect the next swing to be a HR?
 
I'm not saying it is impossible for this to be handled well. I'm just skeptical after blunders with it in the past and some recent Spidey blunders from JMS. When the batter is down 0-2, do you really expect the next swing to be a HR?

I do if it looks like the batter is up. The job JMS did on "Amazing" was great to me. There were some parts I could have done without, like Sins Past (definitely should have been HIS kids) and the drawn out "Other" arc, which I can't say I flat out hated.
 
In an attempt to mock me you missed my point entirely. My point was that when Aunt May died in the mid 90's, it was NOT from something violent and ugly, but it was from the rigors of old age (her heart, which had been weak for years as this was before USM so May was usually depicted as being in her 80's by then; nowdays most writers have unanimously depicted her maybe 20 years younger, how else could she survive donning BATTLE ARMOR with MJ 1-2 years ago!?). It was poingant as she gave a long, farewell speach to Peter that included knowing about his identity as Spider-Man and being proud. Unfortunately, this was in the middle of the Clone Saga (immediately afterward, Peter was arrested for murders Kaine committed, as they both had the same fingerprints, and Scarlet Spidey helped clear him), a story that Marvel branded as ix-nay and everything from it has to be omitted, retconned, erased, "fixed" or forgotten...even any of the rare bits that were interesting or should matter (like the fact that Peter & MJ had a child that was stillborn; you'd think that a guy who STILL obsesses about the death of his college fiance would maybe even recall the death of a first child, but F that, it "makes him seem older", as one writer or editor justified omitting it put it, much like how FF writers ignore that Johnny Storm was faithfully married to "Alicia Masters" for years IRL before she was exposed as a Skrull, putting to bed the running joke that he can never commit seriously to a relationship).

Okay, tangent alert. My point was that nowadays NO CHARACTER'S DEATH is allowed to be of natural causes and be as poingnant, least of all a supporting non-superhero. Deaths nowadays always have to be over-the-top and violent. May can't die of old age. She has to be gunned down by a hitman hired by the Kingpin, who is already in jail and really has nothing to lose and no possible recourse taken against. Probably the only character in recent memory I could recall who didn't face an ugly, violent death was The Question, who simply succumbed to cancer (and that was DC, who ironically revigorated the trend of shocking, over-the-top mutilating death to beloved characters with IDENTITY CRISIS, although to be fair, killing off Aunt May is more ballsy than killing off the wife of a character who then was an F-Lister who only had a small fanbase; having Ma Kent get shot would be compariable). We have people who claim that her death in ASM #400 was a great comic years later, who still are miffed at the "actress" baloney that Mackie came up with to revive her (and that all but abandoned her character anyway). Maybe JMS feels he has "earned the right" as he easily is the only writer who's done anything major with Aunt May as a character beyond the "doting old bitty" stereotype in maybe 20 years, but it still feels like a decision you'd make if you wanted to parody a current trend, like turning Speedball into Penance.

You expect me to have faith in JMS pulling off a story when he's dropped the ball rather recently with a few stories, and without CW, it would have become apparent he was clearly out of ideas.

JMS wants us to have some gasping emotional reaction to May getting shot, but I just feel numb. She's been killed off before in more dignified fashion, and it's become a bad joke to have death after death after death after death in comics. I literally read that panel and thought, "Oh, AGAIN!?"

Thats nice, doesn't remove the fact that you made a horrible/bordering on idiotic comparison.
 
using one of the Atom's old suits goes into your brain and gives you a massive aneurysm and THEN torches you and your unborn child.:o

For once I'm excited about a Spidey book again, the previews put a smile on my face.
But now onto the quote:
Dude Are you serious?! That's disturbing and sadistic! :wow:
 
This is Spiderman that I know and love giving his opponents an ass whipping.
 
What a dick!
I was about to until I read this. Now I gotta man up :cmad:
Feelings: Almost Caught

Actually, it was a dickette that killed her, Atom's psycho ex-wife. One of Sue's b-day gifts to Ralph was one of those home pregnancy kits that said it was positive. It was like you got punched in the stomach and the person asks you if you're ok only to kick you in the nuts as they help you up.:(

For once I'm excited about a Spidey book again, the previews put a smile on my face.
But now onto the quote:
Dude Are you serious?! That's disturbing and sadistic! :wow:

Yeah. The rape happened years before she was killed but it still was pretty disturbing.
 
It's only taken about forever and a day to come out, but at least it looks pretty good. Spoilers ahead:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=103175

- First and foremost, Garney's art looks ****ing amazing. I'm very glad he's working on Spider-Man right now.
- Peter throwing a Jeep at the would-be assassin = awesome.
- The Kingpin being a smug bastard in jail = awesome.
- Peter kicking thugs' asses out of costume = awesome.

Actually, pretty much the only thing I don't like about the preview is the fact that Peter's using webs without webshooters, which reminded me that organic webbing is now an official canon thing after I tried so hard to forget. :( But, really, that's so minor at this point that I can overlook it. I'm actually looking forward to a Spider-Man issue again. :up:

- Peter throwing a Jeep at the would-be assassin + Peter kicking thugs' asses out of costume = Crazy Awesome.
 
I love it when Namor still bellows that at every opportunity. :cwink:

Me too. I have a bit of a man-crush on him myself. I was rooting for him the whole time during his fight with Golden Age Torch. Even though it WAS a few decades before my time.
 
Yeah, I like Garney's ASM work too, but mostly because his Spidey reminds me a lot of JRJr's. I likes me the slender Spidey

yep, and garney was pretty much the only artists that made the iron spidey costume actually look good. :up:
 
What I like about this is it's giving Peter his balls back, no longer is he going to whine and mope as he getting the crap beaten out of him and showing us that he needs the suit. He's spent years saving the world in a simple costume, things should've never gotten to the point whereas he's DEPENDANT on the suit for things he could handle for years without it.
 
Thats nice, doesn't remove the fact that you made a horrible/bordering on idiotic comparison.

Alright, I've posted long enough to know that debating you is impossible when you believe you're right. You, like most people really, never concede a point or admit to being wrong. I'll merely paraphrase a line from The Spleen from MYSTERY MEN:

"It's the same difference. She's STILL DEAD!"

I used Spoiler and Sue Dibney as comparisons because they fit the trend of the deaths of supporting female characters being violent and ugly. You want to pick at straws because DC's two were more mutilated while May has "merely" been shot with a sniper rifle, but a death is still a death. Ask anyone if they'd rather a relative be shot dead, or tortured and then killed, and they won't just pick the former because it sounds "cleaner". It's a devil's choice. It's still yet another violent end, and considering May sort of had a more dignified one, I just rolled my eyes at it. More violent melodrama. Shocking!

If she turns out to live, though, unlike most people I'd admit to being wrong. I just am not bloody interested. I'm numb to all this.
 
Alright, I've posted long enough to know that debating you is impossible when you believe you're right. You, like most people really, never concede a point or admit to being wrong. I'll merely paraphrase a line from The Spleen from MYSTERY MEN:

"It's the same difference. She's STILL DEAD!"

I used Spoiler and Sue Dibney as comparisons because they fit the trend of the deaths of supporting female characters being violent and ugly.

And again, being shot in the chest is nowhere near as ugly or violent as Spoiler and Sue Dibny's death.
 
It's about as ugly and violent as Ralph Dibny and Ted Kord's death. :up:
 
Same basic premise, though. They were all "shot" in some way, although Ralph didn't even get the courtesy of a bullet.
 
Same basic premise, though. They were all "shot" in some way, although Ralph didn't even get the courtesy of a bullet.

Not really, someone can survive a bullet in the chest, no one is surviving a bullet into the head.
 

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