Assasins Creed

[Jerry!]

I think the only point some of us are making against AC is that it is not a 9/10 game. People are trying to blow it up more than that, and we explain the reasoning, but in the end there are just too many flaws to put this game in the same category as a game like CoD4, which is a 9/10 caliber game.

 

[Gilpesh]

Why are you comparing FPS shooter to third person sleath/action?

There's your first problem.

 

[Fenrir]

I haven't played a Hitman game in a while, but in Hitman 2 you could go in guns blazing, but you'd get a terrible score. If you wanted to unlock cool loot, you would play it sneaky. And at least Splinter Cell had a training session so that you'd know "the right way to play it." It all comes down to the game's design, and I'm afraid that Assassin's Creed's design was more roughly hewn than I thought was acceptable.

In Hitman 2, if you went guns blazing not only would you get a terrible score but would also get the least enjoyment out of the game because of the wonky, sub par shooting mechanics.

And as for Assassin's Creed, I don't think the game could have put any more emphasis on playing it like an assassin (d'uh ) by being stealthy and patient, studying your target and striking with precision followed by all the tricks the game teaches you on how to evade your pursuers, from throwing enemies into objects to jumping into haystacks, running into vigilante holdups, blending into a group of scholars and whatnot. It just didn't FORCE you to play like an assassin, which, now that I think about it, it SHOULD have after reading some of the dumb complaints people have with the game.

 

[Jerry!]

I'm not comparing the games to each other. All I am saying is that people are putting this game up into the caliber level of games like Bioshock, CoD4. That AC is that kind of "good" when it's not. It is not GOTY. There are too many flaws, one of which can kill the game for some people and that was represented by the lower reviews of the game.

 

[Fenrir]

I'm not comparing the games to each other. All I am saying is that people are putting this game up into the caliber level of games like Bioshock, CoD4. That AC is that kind of "good" when it's not. It is not GOTY. There are too many flaws, one of which can kill the game for some people and that was represented by the lower reviews of the game.

I just don't get this "there are too many flaws" argument. I can do the same thing with both Bioshock and COD4, by highlighting obvious but insignificant flaws and say that they can "kill the game" just because. And lower reviews can also be dismissed simply on the basis that a lot of said reviewers didn't take the time to play the game fully and properly because of deadlines in a jam-packed month of November that had as much as 3-4 big-name titles coming out every week.

 

[Apollo]

there are more pros then cons.. and the cons are basically things you'd find in almost every game.

 

[Jerry!]

I just don't get this "there are too many flaws" argument. I can do the same thing with both Bioshock and COD4, by highlighting obvious but insignificant flaws and say that they can "kill the game" just because. And lower reviews can also be dismissed simply on the basis that a lot of said reviewers didn't take the time to play the game fully and properly because of deadlines in a jam-packed month of November that had as much as 3-4 big-name titles coming out every week.

Then why was Assassin's Creed the game that suffered because of the deadline? How the hell do you prove that?

 

[Fenrir]

Then why was Assassin's Creed the game that suffered because of the deadline? How the hell do you prove that?

Easy. Because it was the only game that required you to play as an assassin at a very deliberate pace a.k.a being observant, patient, stealthy, methodical and precise.

As for the rest of the high profile games that month, well...

Crysis - shooter
COD4 - shooter
Uncharted - platforming-shooter
Kane & Lynch - shooter

Notice a pattern emerging here? In fact, the only game that was substantially different was Mass Effect, which came out in the last week of November with little to no high profile titles after it whereas Assassin's Creed got sandwiched by being smack drab in the middle of the month.

 

[Jerry!]

The investigation process is the SAME THING, target after target. Is there something more to that I am missing? Because it was just the same bull**** over and over again and the reviews, even the good ones, mentioned that.

Watch the Gametrailers review, it's probably the best review that I can give you that explains my thoughts on the game without pissing you guys off because in the end they gave it a good score because they were able to overlook the flaws in the game but they go on a good deal on the fundamental problems with the game play. I disagree with their final score because if there are those kind fundamental problems, especially to the extent this game had, it cannot get a review of 9.

 

[Fenrir]

The investigation process is the SAME THING, target after target. Is there something more to that I am missing? Because it was just the same bull**** over and over again and the reviews, even the good ones, mentioned that.

I already stated in explicit detail how I enjoyed my experience throughout the game, even during the parts many people half-wittingly call "repetitive".

Watch the Gametrailers review, it's probably the best review that I can give you that explains my thoughts on the game without pissing you guys off because in the end they gave it a good score because they were able to overlook the flaws in the game but they go on a good deal on the fundamental problems with the game play. I disagree with their final score because if there are those kind fundamental problems, especially to the extent this game had, it cannot get a review of 9.

Of course, those are your thoughts and these are mine. I just can't understand what is so hard and offensive to you about Assassin's Creed getting a 9 or 10 and people liking it the same. Why throw a hissy fit over something others liked but you didn't? Screaming "it's repetitive, it's boring, it's the same bulls**t over and over, the combat sucked, too many flaws" at the top of your lungs isn't going to change anything, and it'll only provoke others to respond to you even more, which might end up aggravating you even further.

 

[Timstuff]

can't give coins to begger women.

Punching them is more fun anyway.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Punching horses is fun

 

[Gilpesh]

I'm not comparing the games to each other. All I am saying is that people are putting this game up into the caliber level of games like Bioshock, CoD4. That AC is that kind of "good" when it's not. It is not GOTY. There are too many flaws, one of which can kill the game for some people and that was represented by the lower reviews of the game.

Yes, you are comparing them. By saying that AC is not a 9/10 like CoD 4, you have just compared them. One of which is a war shooter, aka guns blazing, and the other is sleath/action, guns blazing is a-okay but it is discouraged.

Also this whole scale of 1 to 10 is completely irrelevant because there is no way to keep the same requirements through the review of each different game. So two 9/10 games, still cannot be compared.

Punching them is more fun anyway.

Quite possibly the most fun achievement to get besides the one in Portal where you have to fall 30,000 feet.

 

[Jerry!]

That is not what I meant. A game that gets a 9/10 is basically a must buy, no doubt about it especially if you are a fan of that genre. CoD4 is a game like that. Assassin's Creed is not, therefore it doesn't deserve that kind of score. The best thing to do with AC is rent it before you decide to buy it.

 

[Gilpesh]

Still comparing them. But I'll stop pointing that out.

And that statement that 9/10 is a must buy is very wrong. That means that you have personal knowledge of every single reviewer's mindset whenever they give a 9/10. Which I doubt you have.

Maybe the person giving it that 9, is coming from one of those 'rare people' that you know.... um... liked the game. Those strange folk who don't mind the little problems, that you don't mind in CoD 4 but are probably still present, and enjoy the things they can do with it.

So they gave it a 9. It doesn't mean that 9 has any bearing on any other game ever released. Your precious CoD 4 is still safe, still a good game even with AC matching its completely nonsense number ranking.

 

[Jerry!]

jesus. My point is reviews of 9 should be for some of the best games released. That is why I say some of the reviews of this game are misleading. Can you honestly say AC fits that criteria of being one of the best games released?

 

[Gilpesh]

Ratings = Opinions

There is no way that you can make every reviewer adopt your system of reviewing games. That would be wrong. Forcing them to not just look at the game itself and see if they like it, but also if YOU like it. So basically you're saying your opinion of the game is the be all end all of opinions on the game, and as such, everyone else is wrong.


I can honestly say, that AC for me, the criteria being that I like it and I play it, YES.

 

[Jerry!]

Wow, ok, I thought the least we could agree on was that reviews of 9 or 10 should be reserved for some of the best games released since that was what I was saying, but ok, I guess not. I really don't know what to say to that.

 

[Gilpesh]

Wow, ok, I thought the least we could agree on was that reviews of 9 or 10 should be reserved for some of the best games released since that was what I was saying, but ok, I guess not. I really don't know what to say to that.

Just admit, you don't like it, and that's your opinion.

Which has no bearing on anyone else's rating of it, even in a 1 to 10 scale.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Wow, ok, I thought the least we could agree on was that reviews of 9 or 10 should be reserved for some of the best games released since that was what I was saying, but ok, I guess not. I really don't know what to say to that.

It's all opinions, dude. I think AC is one of the best games in awhile, you don't. Get the **** over it.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

How good is this game?

 

[Jerry!]

If a game is getting 9s and 10s, then it should be one of the best released, period. That doesn't mean overlooking serious flaws, not small ones, because of one good element of the game.

 

[Jerry!]

How good is this game?

Just rent it dude. That is the best advice you will get from this thread. Rent it and then go from there.

 

[StrainedEyes]

How good is this game?

The graphics are amazing
The environments are well designed and varied, great setting
The combat is one button and uses timing, and it looks great
The free running is the best part of the game
The animations are fluid
The assassination missions are all fun
The pre-assassination missions are the same each time, repetitive

So, if you can overlook the repetitive pre-assassination missions (Which you can skip most of them) then this game is really great and should atleast be rented by everyone for the free running and environments alone.

 

[StrainedEyes]

If a game is getting 9s and 10s, then it should be one of the best released, period. That doesn't mean overlooking serious flaws, not small ones, because of one good element of the game.

What serious flaws? Aside from the overused "It's the same missions over and over again!!" complaint.