Sci-Fi Avatar: The Way Of Water

[moviedoors]

I'm totally in for how Cameron is using HFR here. After seeing THE HOBBIT and GEMINI MAN, I thought the way forward with this tech would be some kind of mixture. It can't just be a one size fits all setting. It looks incredible for so much but just didn't work at all for others in those movies. I don't think WOW perfectly nails it, but this is definitely the way forward. I bet by part 4, we'll be seeing mixed framerate presentation way beyond the "A or B, with some layers mixing the two" settings this movie is at. They'll be more gradations both beyond 48 and as well as many in between 24-48.

 

[Dr.]

Deadline now reporting that the budget for this film is 460 million before marketing, So if they spent around 150M on marketing (could be more though) then the movie needs around 1.2 billion to break even.

I wonder if the reported HUGE cost of the first sequel is due to a bunch of “front loaded” R&D, capital costs, etc.? I.e., will the subsequent movies be cheaper? For a while, various sources were quoting ~$250M as the (average?) budget per Avatar sequel film. But if it’s really $460M per, that’s a lot of pressure on the box office.

 

[Pennywise]

Avatar: The Way Of Water Seeing $400M+ Global Bow – Deadline

 

[FunkMiller]

Er... are they going to be all that happy with a domestic opening weekend only a bit better than The Batman's, and well behind Dr Strange?

 

[GothamCity]

Er... are they going to be all that happy with a domestic opening weekend only a bit better than The Batman's, and well behind Dr Strange?

I dont think so. People dont get fooled by the gimmicks of 3D and HFR anymore, they know it doesnt make a film better, they know it are gimmicks to sale the movie itself.

 

[FunkMiller]

I dont think so. People dont get fooled by the gimmicks of 3D and HFR anymore, they know it doesnt make a film better, they know it are gimmicks to sale the movie itself.

If Cameron was telling the truth about it needing to make 2 billion to break even… it’s going to struggle with that start. It’d need a 4x multiplier minimum… in a cost of living crisis, at over three hours in length.

Good luck, jimbo.

 

[Dr.]

For Titanic and the original Avatar, it was all about the legs.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

If Cameron was telling the truth about it needing to make 2 billion to break even… it’s going to struggle with that start. It’d need a 4x multiplier minimum… in a cost of living crisis, at over three hours in length.

Good luck, jimbo.

I think he was being hyperbolic but the movie still needs to be the highest grossing movie of the pandemic era in order to even make a small profit.

 

[GothamCity]

If Cameron was telling the truth about it needing to make 2 billion to break even… it’s going to struggle with that start. It’d need a 4x multiplier minimum… in a cost of living crisis, at over three hours in length.

Good luck, jimbo.

The fact he is talking about making money is such a low thing to do, it looks like thats the number 1 priority of his, thats why he already filmed his sequels for the most part, he needs to be humble i guess.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Er... are they going to be all that happy with a domestic opening weekend only a bit better than The Batman's, and well behind Dr Strange?

The original Avatar didn't have record breaking OW either. It had small drops week to week. So I think they care about that more.

 

[FunkMiller]

The original Avatar didn't have record breaking OW either. It had small drops week to week. So I think they care about that more.

Fair enough... but I'd be genuinely shocked if this film has the legs the first one did. The movie landscape is very different now.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I had a lot of fun watching Way of Water. Filled with cliches, but well-done and the emotion felt real. New characters were fun, the children injected a new sense of life into the movie. Whenever the Na'vi went into their "waterisms" and discussed the way of water, I loved the score and how spiritual the experience felt.

Side note: I'm even more excited for Little Mermaid after witnessing those amazing effects!

 

[Iceman]

Fair enough... but I'd be genuinely shocked if this film has the legs the first one did. The movie landscape is very different now.

It won’t have the legs the first one did but it doesn’t need anything close to that to do well. The domestic opening at least is nearly double so it will still need notably better legs than regular successful blockbusters but nothing like the original film or Titanic achieved from low openings.

 

[Iceman]

I had a lot of fun watching Way of Water. Filled with cliches, but well-done and the emotion felt real. New characters were fun, the children injected a new sense of life into the movie. Whenever the Na'vi went into their "waterisms" and discussed the way of water, I loved the score and how spiritual the experience felt.

Side note: I'm even more excited for Little Mermaid after witnessing those amazing effects!

I can’t call it a good film but things like this are what contribute to a unique experience. It’s doing things that other films don’t try and giving me what I might get from a cutting edge visual tech demo or amazing alien world nature documentary.

 

[Lily Adler]

This will do well, but as well as the first is wait and see.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I can’t call it a good film but things like this are what contribute to a unique experience. It’s doing things that other films don’t try and giving me what I might get from a cutting edge visual tech demo or amazing alien world nature documentary.

The Way of Water feels like a blockbuster in the purest sense, that's what I enjoy about it. In a year where so many blockbusters failed for me, Maverick and WoW succeeded beyond expectation.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Sithborg]

The fact he is talking about making money is such a low thing to do, it looks like thats the number 1 priority of his, thats why he already filmed his sequels for the most part, he needs to be humble i guess.

You are talking about James Cameron, right? Good luck with that humble thing...

 

[moviedoors]

I don't see the problem with him talking about what it needs to gross. He clearly wants to make 4 & 5 and the fate of those movies rests with the box office of this one, so he's just being frank.

That's putting aside that if your take away from his most recent round of press is "he clearly cares about money more than anything else" is a) not accurate at worst and cherry picking at best and b) really cynical.

 

[Bary]

Kind of Ironic there is a “story” planned out here to where were talking avatar 4 and 5. The story was paper thin in this movie if there even was one. The cgi is god tier in this movie but after 2 hours I need a story and this movie in the end was a bunch kids keep getting caught then rescued then again and again. Also once Jake took his family and left the tribe to run there was zero excuse for the humans to pursue them. Great effects especially the water but very little substance beyond that to justify 3 hours

 

[Kane52630]

So many people sounding like broken records.

 

[Bary]

I don't see the problem with him talking about what it needs to gross. He clearly wants to make 4 & 5 and the fate of those movies rests with the box office of this one, so he's just being frank.

That's putting aside that if your take away from his most recent round of press is "he clearly cares about money more than anything else" is a) not accurate at worst and cherry picking at best and b) really cynical.

Every director hopes their movies make a-lot of money. Very unfair to act like Cameron is the only one.

 

[Albright]

The story was paper thin in this movie if there even was one. The cgi is god tier in this movie but after 2 hours I need a story and this movie in the end was a bunch kids keep getting caught then rescued then again and again.

when the youngest kid said, „great now I‘m tied again“ I accidentally shouted out loud „yeah exactly“

 

[GunBlade]

anyone know why the actor for lo'ak is missing from these promos/press junkets?

 

[Bary]

when the youngest kid said, „great now I‘m tied again“ I accidentally shouted out loud „yeah exactly“

That was what the 8th time she had been captured and tied up? LOL.