Sci-Fi Avatar: The Way Of Water

[mclay18]

Cameron is hiding jealousy behind his 'it lacks visual imagination' smack talk. Even if one didn't like TFA for any kind of reason, it was visually consistent. And due to the old-school style of matte paintings and in-camera trickery in addition to the VFX, it'll hold up visually much better over the years than the digital garishness of Avatar.

 

[StormC]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves saying XYZ is better than Cameron. Cameron created the ****ing Terminator franchise and managed to make a sequel to Alien that rivals its popularity despite not having the original director. T2 is in my top ten films.

Cameron is if nothing else, a technical filmmaking genius. And he's told lots of great stories. He's just, you know... old and out of touch.

 

[Rocketman]

Cameron is hiding jealousy behind his 'it lacks visual imagination' smack talk. Even if one didn't like TFA for any kind of reason, it was visually consistent. And due to the old-school style of matte paintings and in-camera trickery in addition to the VFX, it'll hold up visually much better over the years than the digital garishness of Avatar.

Cameron's being a child and a sore loser because TFA made more money domestically and has the #1 spot now.

Nobody remembers Avatar. Cameron has to try to remind everybody. By shoving it down our throats four times at once, mind you.

Star Wars is something everyone will know, forever.

Even in 1977 it forever changed the game and became instantly eternal. Avatar had inflated ticket prices because of a nifty gimmick that isn't as relevant anymore.

Star Wars' weakest entry (even if it was TFA, which it isn't), is still something culturally explosive that Cameron will never be able to touch... not even with a teen romance on a sinking ship or an environmental blue alien movie.

 

[OcStat]

Yeah no, there was not more originality in The Force Awakens than Avatar. Sorry. No way.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Cameron is if nothing else, a technical filmmaking genius. And he's told lots of great stories. He's just, you know... old and out of touch.

He made two of the highest grossing films back to back in two different decades. There is literally no one more 'in touch' than Cameron.

 

[StormC]

Star Wars' weakest entry (even if it was TFA, which it isn't), is still something culturally explosive that Cameron will never be able to touch... not even with a teen romance on a sinking ship or an environmental blue alien movie.

So you're saying Attack Of The Clones had more cultural impact than T1/2, Aliens, and Titanic? Yeah, not buying it.

He made two of the highest grossing films back to back in two different decades. There is literally no one more 'in touch' than Cameron.

Avatar was seven years ago. How is Avatar 2 going to recapture that lightning in a bottle?

 

[OcStat]

There was a pretty big gap between Alien and Aliens, Terminator and Judgement Day, was there not?

People make too big a deal about the time gap. All it needs is one kick ass trailer.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Avatar was seven years ago. How is Avatar 2 going to recapture that lightning in a bottle?

How would I know? I ain't Cameron.

 

[StormC]

There was a pretty big gap between Alien and Aliens, Terminator and Judgement Day, was there not?

People make too big a deal about the time gap. All it needs is one kick ass trailer.

Alien and Terminator had an impact on pop culture that absolutely dwarves Avatar's. It's why a 32 year sequel to Return Of The Jedi made 2 billion but a six year sequel to Alice In Wonderland made less than a quarter the original did.

 

[OcStat]

Avatar is not Alice in Wonderland. Will it reclaim it's domestic crown? Who knows. Probably not, if I were a bettin' man. I highly doubt any upcoming Star Wars will knock TFA for that matter.

But seriously if the movie is good, with Cameron behind it, sky is the limit.

Considering TFA was OK.

 

[Logan0327]

Cameron's being a child and a sore loser because TFA made more money domestically and has the #1 spot now.

Nobody remembers Avatar. Cameron has to try to remind everybody. By shoving it down our throats four times at once, mind you.

Star Wars is something everyone will know, forever.

Even in 1977 it forever changed the game and became instantly eternal. Avatar had inflated ticket prices because of a nifty gimmick that isn't as relevant anymore.

Star Wars' weakest entry (even if it was TFA, which it isn't), is still something culturally explosive that Cameron will never be able to touch... not even with a teen romance on a sinking ship or an environmental blue alien movie.

 

[Doctor Jones]

People still underestimating Cameron. On the internet of all places. I don't blame the guy for being a dick, given how people have treated him over his career.

 

[Victarion]

Even in 1977 it forever changed the game and became instantly eternal. Avatar had inflated ticket prices because of a nifty gimmick that isn't as relevant anymore.

To be fair, ANH's gimmick of miniatures and loads of practical SFX have likewise been forgotten by the summer tentpole cinema genre (I lump Superheroes and stuff like Jurassic World under this banner; its a convenient way of bringing them all together).

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yeah. Let's just ignore the simulcam, the virtualcam, the camera in front of the face motion capture technology, the untold number of lighting innovations that other movies now take for granted that Avatar and Cameron pioneered.

Avatar wrote the playbook that filmmakers now use for their CGI heavy films.

 

[Rocketman]

I don't understand why Cameron having a back-to-back success with a 13-year gap in between automatically means he's getting a zillion dollars every single time. Why is it so impossible that Avatar 2, 3, 4, and 5 will just suck and no one will like them or care?

Making 4 movies at once is hilarious. Just make a damn season of a TV show and call it Avatar: The Series.

 

[Rocketman]

Yeah. Let's just ignore the simulcam, the virtualcam, the camera in front of the face motion capture technology, the untold number of lighting innovations that other movies now take for granted that Avatar and Cameron pioneered.

Avatar wrote the playbook that filmmakers now use for their CGI heavy films.

Yeah... all this innovation and yet he didn't make a good or memorable movie.

I won't deny the innovation. I'm with you 100%. But if that's his biggest passion instead of making a good movie, he should be a cinematographer or an SFX supervisor/director.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yeah... all this innovation

Glad you agree.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Why is anyone paying attention to Rocketman in the first place?

 

[Victarion]

I don't understand why Cameron having a back-to-back success with a 13-year gap in between automatically means he's getting a zillion dollars every single time. Why is it so impossible that Avatar 2, 3, 4, and 5 will just suck and no one will like them or care?

Making 4 movies at once is hilarious. Just make a damn season of a TV show and call it Avatar: The Series.

I imagine the studio looked at the profits and are hoping that an adequate budget will replicate the financial success of those two movies you referenced. One's probably Avatar, but I'm not sure what the other one is?

In terms of movie production - Marvel's done very well for itself by plotting out a multi-movie arc for each of its phases. So from a financial standpoint, it isn't unreasonable that Cameron's financers would hope that they can replicate or even raise the bar, set by Marvel's phase-planning.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Why is anyone paying attention to Rocketman in the first place?

I know, right. He hates Cameron for some reason.

 

[Lily Adler]

What's a James Cameron?

 

[C. Lee]

This is a thread for discussing the sequel to AVATAR......the STAR WARS forum is in another place on the site....if you want to discuss Star Wars then go there.

 

[Lencho01]

The context of Cameron's comments are pretty obvious. Many have said similar things before.

Anyway, I do give him points for having White people/invaders lose and the White savior gave up his Whiteness completely, due to the sci-fi aspect.

 

[Logan0327]

Yeah... all this innovation and yet he didn't make a good or memorable movie.

I won't deny the innovation. I'm with you 100%. But if that's his biggest passion instead of making a good movie, he should be a cinematographer or an SFX supervisor/director.

avatar is pretty damn remembered film and the consensus is it is well received film with a 83% on RT

stop thinking in fan boy circles my mother loves avatar for god sakes

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I like Avatar but this 3-4 movies back to back filming is kinda nuts. He should focus on Avatar 2 first and then maybe more sequels.