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Avengers Academy

Yeah, Gage did a good job with it. Raney's fill-in art is good too. I wouldn't mind seeing him take over as the regular artist, but I'm not a huge fan of McKone in the first palce.
 
Hank's return as Giant-Man was awesome. :hehe:

It was quite awesome. But so is AVENGERS ACADEMY in general.

I do think there was some issue with lining up the artist. Tom Raney was credited on the cover, but not the recap page. Apparently McKone finished the art for issue six perhaps JUST BARELY and didn't have the time to begin on issue seven, so Raney had to handle it as quickly as possible. Considering that, the fact that the issue only shipped a fortnight behind original schedule and still made December is fine.

My review is in the B/T thread as well as in my review article via the sig. It was my Examiner Book Of The Week (TM).

In good news, as the prior interview states; AVENGERS ACADEMY will see at least a 12th issue. I'd grown concerned about that after seeing November's sales charts, which saw AA slip to about 26k; which is lower than the worst selling issue of AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE managed just before SIEGE (which was 28k). AVENGERS ACADEMY is in many ways a relaunch of that mixed in with a third of the cast from Dan Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS (of which Gage did help write briefly).

Given that Hank Pym has changed his mantle many times, and the fact that he JUST SO HAPPENS to be Giant-Man in "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES", a cartoon that likely is viewed by more people than all the people who read the Top 25 comics COMBINED (if not the Top 50-100), it could have seemed to be a generic exercise. Instead Gage actually did very well with explaining why it was an organic character development moment. Of course, if memory serves, part of why Pym was originally inspired to become Giant-Man was because he felt outclassed by Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk in terms of weight class - it just wasn't done quite to the extreme that the Ultimate version would. Still, as Pym summarized, it wasn't the same as his prior identities. Ant-Man is limited, but all of his other identities come with prior baggage. Goliath actually wasn't mentioned as an identity; perhaps because Pym merrily passed it along to Clint Barton and then Bill Foster? At any rate, perhaps naming yourself after a villain of the Old Testament is perhaps not the best way to inspire confidence. At any rate, I am perfectly fine with Giant-Man. I always liked the outfit, aside for the eyebrow antennae. They've always been creepy.

I also liked how Absorbing Man was trucked out as the villain du jour, which is hardly an unlikely role for him, but he was utilized in a way in which he wasn't simply a thug. I also like how the cadets are not as automatically perfect as a lot of young heroes. I mean, the Runaways had barely survived their own parents and they were owning the entire Wrecking Crew, for heaven's sakes. Gravity defeated Rhino in what was probably his first battle against a villain with super-powers. So while the cadets are at the level where they're fighting villains, they aren't doing it without mentors and some threats, like Creel, are above their experience class.
 
Hank actually goes by Ant-Man in the Avengers cartoon. He does grow to giant size as well, but I don't think anyone's actually called him "Giant-Man" so far.
 
In the cartoon his costume adapts to his mode. He's Ant-Man when he shrinks and Giant-Man when he grows. Simple and to the point. And he naturally is there to invent all the gadgets.
 
Right, but I don't think anyone calls him Giant-Man. He's technically Ant-Man even when he's giant-sized.
 
True. But in MIGHTY AVENGERS, Pym learned he can access the "Macroverse" by growing and meet abstract cosmic entities like Eternity. So in that regard shifting it to Giant-Man also makes sense. ;)
 

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Stupid kids and their murderous intent. They're gonna be a terrible batch of superheroes. :argh:
 
I love that Hank's Giant Man again, and the new suit is pretty good. But I almost wish he had kept the Wasp mask
 
Stupid kids and their murderous intent. They're gonna be a terrible batch of superheroes. :argh:

To be fair, not all of them have that intent. Mettle didn't kill Norman Osborn when he had the chance, and doesn't seem to want to. Reptil isn't like that when he's in control of his dino-forms. And I still doubt Veil is into that.

It is good to see Mike McKone draw the series again, even if issue nine may be his last (according to what he said at a con a few months back).

Gage has done a lot with Tigra in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, so I have high hopes for the story. Ideally, she would be the one who takes Hood down. The problem is that he's been the central villain in NEW AVENGERS for about 3 years and they're the team that always defeats him. Which means they can never be allowed to have a conclusive battle, or at least a battle that takes Hood off the board long. Tigra asking Pym to take care of William if something happened to her is almost planning her demise, which I hope doesn't happen. Gage's treatment of Tigra has usually been a good example of how to turn a cheesecake victim into a decent heroine.

Younger characters are there to question the status quo; that's usually the purpose they serve in a story. To untrained eyes, it is pretty daffy to keep re-arresting the same maniacs over and over.

Besides, Wolverine kills every villain he meets, and he's apparently ideal Avengers material (even Steve Rogers shares brewskies with him during off hours). With him as an example, the kids're alright.

Given that Striker was pretty much a creation of the 24/7 media/viral video culture, it isn't surprising that the Hood/Jigsaw/Tigra video is still floating around. Should be an interesting arc.
 
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I love that Hank's Giant Man again, and the new suit is pretty good. But I almost wish he had kept the Wasp mask
It does seem very jarring to have him in the Infinite Mansion with his mask on. I'd gotten used to him sliding up his Wasp goggles whenever he wasn't in the field. They should have him pull the cowl (and those creepy antennae) back and throw on a lab coat when he's just hanging out.
 
I want to see somebody ballsy enough to bring back the WCA purple jumpsuit!:awesome:

*shudder* :wow:

It does seem very jarring to have him in the Infinite Mansion with his mask on. I'd gotten used to him sliding up his Wasp goggles whenever he wasn't in the field. They should have him pull the cowl (and those creepy antennae) back and throw on a lab coat when he's just hanging out.

Maybe he likes scaring the kids with those antennae. :o

He did go around without the mask last issue, which was drawn by Ron Garney.
 
That was because they didn't want to reveal the costume change until the end, though. I have a feeling he's gonna be fully suited up as Giant-Man all the time now.
 
Man this is such a bad costume design. I can't stand this look for him.
 
I like it aside for the creepy antennae, which admittedly are old school (perhaps in the "so old it should have been retired" school). I do agree seeing the Giant-Man suit with a rendition of the goggles from his Wasp suit may have been interesting. Overall, I do like it, though. This may also be the first time McKone has gotten to draw it in interior art.

Man, I enjoy this series so much. I hope it survives past issue twelve. :(
 
Anyone fancy trying a quick manip? Maybe combine images of his highpockets mask with the new suit, or the wasp mask with the new suit.
 
I don't think I've ever loved Tigra as much as I loved her in this week's issue. :atp:
 
I don't think I've ever loved Tigra as much as I loved her in this week's issue. :atp:

That's how I felt about Striker and Hazmat. This issue was amazing. You all know how I feel about the ridiculous cycle of arresting criminals only so they can escape and it's great to see some heroes feel the same way. Sucks that the actions of those three kids pretty much proved Osborn's point about the group.
 
Kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy. If they hadn't found out about the reason they were chosen, they might not have become the villains it was feared they would be. Not that they're there yet of course. But their constant misguided attempts to prove they're hero material and worthy of being called Avengers... ;)
 
I do agree that it would have been wiser for the Avengers to have been honest with the kids, rather than attempt to deceive them. Even if the deception is for a good cause, people tend to react badly to it. But, it is part of my theory that the Avengers, from Rick Jones in the 60's to the New Warriors of the 90's to the cadets and the Young Avengers of today, have no clue how to treat teenagers. They never have and never seem to learn. At the very least, the cadets have probably been better treated than the Young Avengers, who are told to disband, then recruited to wars (twice) as canon fodder, and then all but told they're this close to being taken down as terrorists and the life of one of them is threatened constantly for the crime of loyalty to his "mother".

Striker and Hazmat are probably the more "proactive" ones in the team, the ones who question authority and want to beat to the tunes of their own drums. Veil didn't start out like that, but she's starting to change. Perhaps her attraction to Striker was no accident (and to his credit, he resisted a booty call when he could have tapped it). Finesse is a cold, unfeeling *****, even if she has a solid reason to be - being born that way. Reptil and Mettle are probably the ones closer to what the Avengers want in heroes, and even they have some skeletons.

The problem with "eye for an eye" is that it is equally futile. Hood and Jigsaw violated Tigra on video to scare heroes. Okay. Now Hazmat and Striker do the same to the Hood. Is anything really fixed? Now Hood has another reason for vengeance against them. If he was killed, someone would avenge him. Lord knows how many villains are legacy villains. How many Goblins have there been? Or Blizzards? Or Beetles? How many Machete's have there been, or so on? Even Vulture and Doc Ock have been legacy villains. Even THE RINGER and grunts from the Serpent Society have been legacy villains (like Death Adder). That's why gang violence never ends. Bloodz kill some Crips, Crips kill some Bloodz, some Latin Kings get involved for good measure, and on and on it goes. The only ones who win are the morticians.

So when Tigra says that heroes should strike to meet a higher standard, it isn't just lofty talk. And to a degree, she'd know, as she's tried the revenge game before.
 
The message "You are not ready to be Avengers, or even full fledged heroes yet; but we will teach you to be" may have been driven home more if they went the original X-Men and GenX route of similarly themed uniforms (but with customisations for each to individualise them a bit), that they then "Graduate" and get graduate uniforms like the Original five when Beast went to red and blue, jean went to green, and cyke just lost the yellow shirt.
 
I don't think uniforms would've done anything for these kids. Could you really see Striker or Hazmat falling into line just because they're wearing certain clothes?
 

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