World Avengers cartoon

[misjuevos]

I really didn't like w&txm or evolution. Sucks if that is the xmen we will see.

 

[Nathan]

Dread, WE DO KNOW THAT IT IS IN THE SAME CONTINUITY!

Chris Yost already settled this for us.

Well, that sucks. Sucks hard.

 

[lixdexia]

Well, that sucks. Sucks hard.

yep, and until they make an appearance (in which the hulk and wolverine beat every top tier marvel villain by themselves no doubt) i refuse to accept it

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Bleh, knowing that WatXM is in the same continuity, I now believe Beast should be the only X-Man to ever appear in this show, ever. Maybe Nightcrawler. He was bearable in that show too.

 

[Savage]

Well there is the possibility that WaTXM take place ahead of the Avengers timeline so if they ever appear on the show, chances are the characterization will be different. Like a Cyclops who's a capable leader for example. The Avengers Nick Fury only recently went grey with his temples and he hasn't even grown the goatee yet.

Not to mention they look pretty different in terms of age.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just started watching this show. Up to episode 11. Loving it so far

 

[TheVileOne]

That Nick Fury was a LMD. Same continuity.

Wolverine already appeared in Avengers Corpulent1,

 

[Dread]

Bleh, knowing that WatXM is in the same continuity, I now believe Beast should be the only X-Man to ever appear in this show, ever. Maybe Nightcrawler. He was bearable in that show too.

I'd go for Colossus, who sat out most of that show. Hey, the Avengers could go fight a villain in Russia and he could randomly show up. It could happen.

And Vile is correct. Logan did technically appear in A:EMH, as James Howlett of the Howling Commandos during the micro's set in WWII.

Even the eyepatch is on the wrong eye for the Nick Fury of W&TXM. But, as said, it could have been an LMD. Lord knows I'd send one if I was trying to get the surly Wolverine to do anything (especially if I was tricking him).

On the plus side, it makes it easier to have Beast and/or Scarlet Witch appear.

Even if W&TXM is canon with A:EMH, we don't know at what point of W&TXM we are talking about. Does it connect to that show circa the end of Season 1? Or the start of Season 1? After all, in W&TXM, the X-Men were a pre-existing team who operated for years before "the explosion" split them up for a year, and then they all re-assembled bit by bit except for Colossus. Given Nick Fury's gray hair, that would imply that his meeting with Logan happened, at the very least, after the micro's ended (because he got the gray hair when Baron Strucker drained some of his life force with his Satan's Claw). But we have no idea, really. A newspaper claimed that the media was just catching wind of the existence of the X-Men's school, but the X-Men seemed to be fairly public knowledge by the start of W&TXM. One would imagine Steve Rogers would not be thrilled if he watched TV and saw giant robots and soldiers rounding up mutants for the crime of being different.

On the other hand, linking W&TXM and A:EMH opens up that story possibility, doesn't it? I never liked how in most of 616 Marvel comics, virtually no other superhero team gives a **** whether mutants are killed in the street or not. They never say one word about how wrong it is to be prejudiced against mutants or lift a finger to help them. That is somewhat appalling for the Fantastic Four, given that Reed and Sue's son is a mutant. The most the Avengers usually did was allowing 3 mutants to be long time members, but that's more or less the extent of it (and the way they treat Wanda these days, that's not saying much). Of course, there are franchise reasons for that. Marvel editorial liked to keep the X-Men books mostly apart from the rest of Marvel, and to a degree still do. If the popular heroes got the world to chill a bit on anti-mutie hysteria, the X-Men would lose a major source of story material. Still, it would open up an interesting episode where some of the Avengers face that sort of thing head on. It likely will come up whenever the show gets around to revealing that this is Ultimate Wasp, who is a mutant, but such a thing could include the X-Men as well. Like they could try to recruit Beast or Wanda and the public is aghast about it.

 

[Anubis]

Considering that W&TXM is canceled, if they want to do a cohesive universe between shows, they may as well not connect them and save up for a new X-Men show that will inevitably come out within the next few years and connect with that.

Doesn't really matter though, until expressly mentioned, they ain't connected. It's like Teen Titans/JLA all over again.

 

[the dmg]

Having finally watched the newest episode, it was great to see Cap staying old school and clashing with IM about the future.

Dread, WE DO KNOW THAT IT IS IN THE SAME CONTINUITY!

Chris Yost already settled this for us.

When was this? I seem to remember the last discussion we had, you said a source told you, so it was never official confirmation. Can you provide a link where Yost said this?

 

[Anubis]

www.madeups**t.net

 

[Havok83]

Well there is the possibility that WaTXM take place ahead of the Avengers timeline so if they ever appear on the show, chances are the characterization will be different. Like a Cyclops who's a capable leader for example. The Avengers Nick Fury only recently went grey with his temples and he hasn't even grown the goatee yet.

Not to mention they look pretty different in terms of age.

Fury's patch isnt even on the same eye

 

[Dread]

Fury's patch isnt even on the same eye

In the 90's SPIDER-MAN cartoon, that was how Spidey figured out that Chameleon was impersonating Fury.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

How about Wendigo, though? The Wendigo seen in this show and the canon comic (written by Yost) is a cannibalistic monster locked in The Raft and was extremely dangerous, while in Wolverine, it is just a S.H.I.E.L.D. experiment on a human soldier gone wrong that was cured.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

On the plus side, it makes it easier to have Beast and/or Scarlet Witch appear.
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Or Quicksilver. He deserves an appearance on this show WAY before Hank McCoy does, imo.

 

[misjuevos]

I always wondered with all the time travelers, why no x-men time travelers ever mix with avengers time travelers. You would think they would be aware of each other. Like cable and kang.

 

[JoeyConQueso]

I always wondered with all the time travelers, why no x-men time travelers ever mix with avengers time travelers. You would think they would be aware of each other. Like cable and kang.

If it counts, Bishop and Immortus were hanging out during the "Beyond Good and Evil" arc from X-Men TAS.

 

[Doomed_hero]

Well in a way when Kang was a rulerin Egypt he had a maor infulence on the man ho wold become Apocalypse.

 

[TheVileOne]

As far as timelines go it is pretty obvious. Avengers has to take place some time after episode 5 of Wolverine and The X-men and most likely after the end of the series.

That reason being because of the Hulk/Banner situation. In Wolverine and The X-men, Hulk is under SHIELD custody. By the end of the episode, he's out on his own again. When we first see Banner/Hulk again in Avengers, Banner is on the run from the authorities. Banner is wanted by both SHIELD and Ross.

As far as the whole mutant thing. Avengers has established that mutants and the X-men exist in their world. The MRD which was the mutant police force was also established as existing in the show. MRD was original to Wolverine and The X-men. Most of the major events in X-men I imagine didn't take place in NYC like Avengers.

And for the most part, in the 616 comics events with all the books don't really connect very much. As you point out Dread, the other heroes don't really seem to care that their mutant superhero compatriots are hunted and shunned. Where was Captain America looking out for the right of Americans when people like Senator Kelly, Creed, and Bastion were around hunting mutants? They are Americans right?

But I mean to point out that logical fallacy between these two cartoons only really underscores this already existing between the two shows. Their two main stories are separate but they still exist in the same canon and Avengers has definitely played with that.

Fury's design change, it happens. Characters get design changes that are different. Look at BTAS to TNBA. Character designs were changed RADICALLY but it is still the same characters. So you can just chalk it up to that with Fury or just say it was an LMD. What's good for the comics goose is good for the animation gander.

I'm not making **** up either. You all should know by now that my track record speaks for itself. The Chris Yost confirmation was already in this very thread. Stop wallowing in your own ignorant world. So use that thing on your desk, its called a mouse and click back.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

The MRD which was the mutant police force was also established as existing in the show. MRD was original to Wolverine and The X-men. Most of the major events in X-men I imagine didn't take place in NYC like Avengers.

This is the one bit of argument I don't buy. Don't get me wrong, I know both shows were ORIGINALLY going to be in the same world, and I'm not arguing otherwise, but the MRD is not convincing. Yeah, that was a creation from the Wolverine show, but it quickly made it to the comics, and using that as one of the reasons is weak. With that logic, B:TAS is canon with The Batman and Brave and the Bold because Harley Quinn appeared in these shows, even though she debuted in the comics after the first one and before the last two.

But, other than my previous Wendigo question, I don't doubt what Yost said. Whether we will see even more evidence backing this up or breaking it remains to be seen.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That Nick Fury was a LMD. Same continuity.

Wolverine already appeared in Avengers Corpulent1,

I choose not to acknowledge that. That was just some other WWII-era soldier with stupid hair and the last name "Howlett." Billy Howlett from Queens, perhaps. Or Jedediah Howlett from down Virginia way.

 

[OB12]

I have to agree with TheVileOne on this, that the two shows are meant to exist in the same continuity. Though I think A:EMH is happening before the events of W&tXM because of the Fury getting the gray hair during this show and already having it in the X-world.

My question is how much of season 2 of W&tXM was completed? I wonder if they could ever re-package that season as a new X-men show on DisneyXD?

 

[bored]

I don't think they had actual episodes finished.

And seriously, for the people having this argument, didn't Chris Yost himself say, when he popped into this thread several weeks ago, that they were meant to be in the same continuity?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Hey, isnt there an animated Thor series in the works? If so, i hope it's in continuity with A:EMH. I hope they use the same voice actors on the Asgardians we've seen so far as well...

 

[misjuevos]

maybe he said meant to since it was canceled, so they got the hint that people didn't like the show that much. and they would be foolish to try and use that version.so maybe now if they show the x-men it will be a different version.