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Why wouldn't he have been surprised? Thinking and seeing something are two different things. Plus knowing his ego he was prolly patting himself on the back.


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You said Tony pointed it out, but he didn't even say anything to hint at it being the suits ability. Besides, if it was the suits power he would've have had rockets in his boots like Wasp's did, so just just face it, it was by his own ability.

Clearly the tone of the whole situation implied that it was the "do or die" level or the situation that prompted Thor to fly faster than he normally does.

Maybe.But you gotta remember Hulk went against evrything Graviton threw at him.
With a fraction of what He used on Hulk, He was able to render Thor and the rest helpless.

True, I have considered that and that is VERY impressive but I still think Thor's was slighty more impressive. Notice I said "slightly
 
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The suit helped him go "that fast" as Tony pointed out. Plus Thor has never been one to avoid overkill long. He has a belt and gloves that we haven't seen yet. And don't get me started on the goats.

Now that that's out of the way...


You got a problem with Jan? :cmad:


She was showing Tony the traits that help her be leader later on. She had two problems and then combined them to counter them.


She is greatness and I will not stand here and listen to you badmouth her.


Good day.



I SAID good day!


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so me saying wasp is starting to annoy me is badmouthing? Geez you are sensitive. Do you cry when it rains?
 
Not in the cartoon. Hammer glows, Thor flies.

I would go so far as to say in this cartoon he can fly without his hammer, he's been flying with both arms by his side quite a bit.
 
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Which still doesn't make sense to me. Take strength out of the equation and you've still got Thor's power to fly in there. His hammer magically cancels out gravity. Yet he couldn't move because Graviton threw a lot of... gravity... at him... :dry:

Yeah, He still needs his hands.:yay:
But, seriously, when was the last time Thor used these anti-gravity ( and other exotic powers of Mjolnir) power in the comics?
 
While it was never bad on the level of pre-Crisis Superman, Thor's hammer has been able to do lots of crazy things. In the very first issue of "Avengers", he used it as a magnet that somehow also stuck to people. And he also used to have some limited time travel abilities with it.
 
Yeah, He still needs his hands.:yay:
But, seriously, when was the last time Thor used these anti-gravity ( and other exotic powers of Mjolnir) power in the comics?
Who's talking about the comics? I'm going strictly by the cartoon, wherein Mjolnir glows and Thor flies with no movement of his arms in like every episode.
 
I feel like they're saving Thor really cutting loose for the final arc of the season, which will most certainly be about Loki.

As for this episode, pure awesome, just like this whole arc. Kang was formidable enough to nearly take out the whole team AND Ultron.

I CERTAINLY hope you're feelings are right about Thor cutting loose in the final arc, or even in the Ultron arc for that matter. I've been waiting the whole season for one of those moments since hulk stole the show against Graviton.

Yeah, Kang's arc were definately the best 3 episodes of the series so far, but after seeing the final episode I think both Ultron's arc and the final arc can easily top it.
 
Who's talking about the comics? I'm going strictly by the cartoon, wherein Mjolnir glows and Thor flies with no movement of his arms in like every episode.

I know, but you're assuming Thor flies due to some anti-gravity capabilty of Mjolnir.I think it's not the case.
 
Certainly seems like it to me. If he were flying around on air currents or something, wouldn't there be some kind of wake? Nothing blows around as he flies by. But whatever, that was like 20 episodes ago.
 
A:EMH brought on the finale, "Kang Dynasty", written by Brian Reed (a regular and fairly dependable monthly Marvel comics writer, and occasional collaborator with Brian Bendis). It's the ending to their 3-part Kang story, but it's also a prologue to the end of the first season - and more than likely, the launch of the second. Not counting subplots, most villains in this show get perhaps 2 episodes devoted exclusively towards battling them directly; Kang got three, and the episodes were not wasted. This episode is the finale, and like any good finale, things get going quick.

There's no real explanation as to where the "space armors" came from. Iron Man ended the last episode saying, "Gotcha!" basically when he found Kang's time ship, Damocles. The episode opens with Nick Fury spelling out exactly how dire the war against Kang is going for Earth. His forces are essentially outnumbering the entire planet, and the situation on the ground is useless. The Avengers and the Ultron fleet have merely delayed the inevitable in that regard unless their mission succeeds. We get a cool "RIGHT STUFF" moment with the team all walking into the loading bay in slow motion. Stark is naturally in his "Silver Centurion" armor and everyone else is in their own versions of the same - except for Hulk, who only needs trunks and a breathing tube for space. Kang's not wasting any time, however, and has basically aimed his most powerful weapon at Avengers mansion, set on blasting them as well as NYC off the map. And that's just the first 30 seconds!

Thor is written out of the episode pretty quickly; probably because things might have been "easier" for the main battle if both Thor AND Hulk were still there. Fortunately, it's done in very dramatic fashion; he sacrifices himself to re-direct the doomsday beam back at Kang's ship, which disables it and essentially allows the Avengers to reach space. It's portrayed as epic a feat as it sounds like in text (imagine if Superman deflected a blast that would have destroyed Metropolis with a punch, and you're half there). We get a subtle STAR WARS nod with Hawkeye being given the controls to blast at Kang's Scarab fleet. Iron Man and Wasp break off to allow the rest of the team to breach Kang's ship and from then on the REAL fun begins. We have a battle with Kang's time-warriors (who aren't called the Anachronauts, but may as well be). We have Wasp proving what she can do with a suit that boosts her bio-stingers as well as when it's all on the line. We see that the best attack Kang has against the Hulk is a SHORYUKEN. And that creepy looking robots can be your best friend. Somehow, a heroic nurse was able to insert an IV needle into the Odinson. Finally, we learn that Cap and Iron Man can make a very good tag team when it's all on the line.

To be honest, the final battle against Kang won't be deposing that brawl with Graviton any time soon. Heck, I'd argue that the Avengers' first battle against him was probably more entertaining. That doesn't deflate the drama from this episode, though. Once Wasp finds what Kang's really fighting for, the conclusion takes a different turn than a simple brawl. Yet Kang's arrest (!) doesn't seem quite like the victory some intended.

Overall I do think Kang was handled very well. He clearly was a powerful and dangerous opponent, and giving him a real and logical motivation for going back in time and wanting to kill the Avengers/conquer 21st century earth beyond "sport" is a wise move. I am sure a lot of work went into designing all his robots, minions, locals and so on, and it showed. Plus, this allows Kang to foreshadow the next events of the show with time travel lore without beating the viewer over the face with it like "WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN" sometimes did. The only hints that Kang gave was that "Capt. America's betrayal would be just the beginning."

I do hope this show doesn't do CIVIL WAR within a second season. It's too soon for a young universe. It seems silly to split up the heroes over a useless law when things are going quite well without one. A better story to adopt would be to merge a few Kree/Skrull war stories into GALACTIC STORM and make that critical "choice" being Capt. America's decision that "destroying" the Supreme Intelligence is wrong. In the comics, the "kill SI" heroes won out, and it came back to haunt them. In the cartoon, Cap's side may prevail, which could actually lead to more alien carnage. After all, both the Kree AND the Skrulls have at least one sleeper agent each on earth, and likely have more that have not been uncovered. An ULTRON UNLIMITED type story would be a great thing to do; after all, Marvel chose to homage that scene with Thor's daughter in "NEXT AVENGERS", so never doing the genuine scene would be a tad insulting. Tom Kane's awesome as Ultron.

The strangest bit is that in the credits, James Mathis III is credited as Black Panther, despite that Black Panther isn't seen or speaks in the episode. Wakanda threw off Kang's fleet, and it's naturally assumed T'Challa led that assault, but beyond that, he sat out this episode. It's like those episodes of "JUSTICE LEAGUE" where Kevin Conroy is credited as Batman even when he barely grunted. Still, I thought this was an effective episode for all of the cast. The Hulk amazingly got stopped and smacked around more than I expected, but that doesn't make me dislike him; if anything it makes him easier to like because he's not totally unbeatable. Still, I was stunned when Kang TKO'd him so fast. Given that the Hulk knocked him across the room a few times in the first chapter, apparently he was taking no chances this time. The team was all clicking, though. Plus, we got a Mr. Fantastic cameo! It really is nice to see the Four animated in their actual costumes. Shame we haven't gotten that in one of their actual cartoons since the 90's.

There're 6-7 episodes left in the season, and I am curious just what sort of arcs are coming next to finish it off and what will be saved for season 2. It makes sense to close with whatever caused the break-out (likely Loki) and then save a lot of the Kang future stuff for season two.

This was a week in which A:EMH was pitted against YJ, and while the latter is still a young show, Marvel's side clearly won the week for me, and that's actually very rare in animation. Still, I enjoy both shows and appreciate that they both offer stuff that the other doesn't. YJ is a little better with character interaction with their young cast, while Avengers does the epic superhero stuff. The real winners are viewers, who get treated to two cool superhero shows at the end of the week.
 
No need to blame Hank. Jan can clear her conscious. Cap and Tony are free of guilt.



We now know the reason for Ultron's betrayal.


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I literally flipped when H.E.R.B.I.E. came on the screen!

And to those wanting to see Spider-Man in the show...sorry guys, it just isn't happening. Not with that new Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon coming out.

The one plot point that intrigues me most is the "betrayal of Captain America" that Kang hinted at. There are plenty of possibilities when looking at the Avengers mythos (Kree-Skrull War, Armor Wars, possibly even something involving the Winter Soldier), but I'm very curious to see how Yost & Co. twist what we know and create something new.
 
Whenever someone foresees a hero doing something that causes a negative thing, it's never done intentionally. It's always something indirect. It's like if some fortune teller tells you that you're going to cause a death, it's like everything you do to avoid it is exactly what causes it in the first place.
 
Kang said Cap wouldn't do it knowingly.

Which sounds unlikely for a CIVIL WAR thing. It does sound probable for an "opposition to killing the Supreme Intelligence" sort of thing during a Galactic Storm type Kree/Skrull thing.
 
I literally flipped when H.E.R.B.I.E. came on the screen!

And to those wanting to see Spider-Man in the show...sorry guys, it just isn't happening. Not with that new Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon coming out.

The one plot point that intrigues me most is the "betrayal of Captain America" that Kang hinted at. There are plenty of possibilities when looking at the Avengers mythos (Kree-Skrull War, Armor Wars, possibly even something involving the Winter Soldier), but I'm very curious to see how Yost & Co. twist what we know and create something new.

Not that I care or not if the Webhead shows up at all, but, what does the next Spidey cartoon being based on the Ultimate Spider-Man comics have to do with whether or not he shows up on this show in a cameo role? Assuming they tie the shows together at all, (which doesn't really matter one way or the other) all it would mean is that the Spidey in this supposed shared universe is closer to Ultimate Spider-Man, which isn't really much different from regular Spider-Man with the exception of being rather incompetent and constantly getting his mask removed. :o

Ultimately, Disney owns all of the rights now, and can do whatever the hell they want. Up to this point they haven't been idiots about it like the WB and their dumbass character embargos. So, you known, anythings possible.
 
Not that I care or not if the Webhead shows up at all, but, what does the next Spidey cartoon being based on the Ultimate Spider-Man comics have to do with whether or not he shows up on this show in a cameo role? Assuming they tie the shows together at all, (which doesn't really matter one way or the other) all it would mean is that the Spidey in this supposed shared universe is closer to Ultimate Spider-Man, which isn't really much different from regular Spider-Man with the exception of being rather incompetent and constantly getting his mask removed. :o

Ultimately, Disney owns all of the rights now, and can do whatever the hell they want. Up to this point they haven't been idiots about it like the WB and their dumbass character embargos. So, you known, anythings possible.

Indeed. "FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES" in 2006, which was aired on Cartoon Network and involved Fox (since they hold the film rights to the Four), had what was essentially a cameo by Peter Parker. In one episode, Johnny Storm hires a teenage freelance photographer to try to cover his heroic antics to counter negative press by "the Wizard's Four" (which usually backfired). He was a dead ringer for Ultimate Peter Parker. And his name began with a "P" before Johnny was interrupted. For legal reasons, they could NOT say Spider-Man or Peter Parker, but they still had a cameo by him for anyone who noticed.

http://marvel.toonzone.net/fantasticfour/reviews/frightful/12.jpg

Now, of course, Marvel/Disney have the TV rights back from Sony, so they could have him appear. In fact I am curious if any Marvel characters at all are off limits for a TV show, given how many appear for a kiddie show like "MARVEL SUPER HERO SQUAD". If anything, cartoon writers for Marvel now may have almost as much freedom for guest stars as John Semper did in the 90's "SPIDER-MAN" cartoon (in which the X-Men, Iron Man, War Machine, Blade, Dr. Strange, Silver Sable, Daredevil, Capt. America, and the Fantastic Four all appeared).

It's happend plenty of times. In fact, it's one of the only ways to take him out.

Given that the Hulk knocked Kang around (and would have crushed him if not called off initially to allow Kang to deliver exposition) in their initial meeting, I saw it as Kang making sure not to underestimate him.

That and gas attacks often worked. Given Hulk's rep, it is amazing how many stories in the 60's and 70's in which he got dropped very quickly for plot convenience.

Still, imagine this; a cartoon in which the Hulk is an underdog sometimes! I actually haven't hated it.
 
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Which sounds unlikely for a CIVIL WAR thing. It does sound probable for an "opposition to killing the Supreme Intelligence" sort of thing during a Galactic Storm type Kree/Skrull thing.

That's what I was thinking and posted before. But nobody else seemed to read it.
 
Yes, If they always had Hulk knocking around and crunching the bad guys every episode, it would get boring pretty fast.
It's nice to see powerhouses like Him and Thor struggling a bit
 
heres to hoping Ultron 5 calls Hank "Father"!!!!

oh and also i hope to see Jocasta!!!!

and if all goes well with that, MACHINEMAN!
 
They should struggle to a degree, but its about time Thor /Hulk smashed the Bad Guys solo.

Hulk is starting to remind of JL Season 1 Superman, by getting his ass kicked by every villian
 
Well, as Dread said, in the 1st episode Hulk knocked Kang around and would've crushed him if the avengers hadn't told him to stop.
 
They should struggle to a degree, but its about time Thor /Hulk smashed the Bad Guys solo.

Hulk is starting to remind of JL Season 1 Superman, by getting his ass kicked by every villian

Yeah im ready to see Thor cut loose and handle a powerful villain by himself or mostly alone, I think Hulk got his shine when he really cut loose in the Graviton battle.

Hulk did better than anybody else against Graviton, and he did well against Kang the first time they fought. I would say Hulk is being portrayed slightly better than Thor, although I would say both of them are being handled better than JL Season 1 Superman.
 
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