World Avengers cartoon

[Superhero 101]

Oh That's great news lets just hope it doesn't get cancelled like Spidey and Wolvie

 

[Spidey_62]

At least it's already got 52 episodes guaranteed.

 

[Jordacar]

Just like Wolvie's second season was guaranteed...

 

[Spidey_62]

Just like Wolvie's second season was guaranteed...

Eh, good point. Hopefully with Marvel's new TV wing and Disney backing them they're gonna finally get their stuff together.

 

[KBX]

Well both those shows were pre-Disney so I see why Disney didn't want to renew them. Though I don't know if Avengers started their production before the Disney/Merger went through. But all signs point to Disney backing this show.

 

[Silver Knight]

Anyone think we will see something at Comic-Con?

 

[KBX]

 

[Silver Knight]

Awesome pic! Where did you find that?

 

[KBX]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1007/04/index.htm

Although not appearing in the first promotional image, Black Panther will appear early in the show. The character was featured in the video that Marvel showed at C2E2 in Chicago.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Nick Fury will also appear in the show. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* "Every single episode is packed with action and high stakes," said Marvel Animation's Josh Fine of Avengers. [/FONT]
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[TheCorpulent1]

I'm happy to have Fury involved and all, but I was kind of hoping this version of the Avengers wouldn't follow the movies'/Ultimate's SHIELD-sponsored team idea.

 

[Silver Knight]

I cant wait to see something new at SD-CC.

 

[Dread]

SHIELD was involved with the classical Avengers. I imagine the idea of SHIELD basically being the U.N. on steroids has long since been shuffled in favor of them seeming to be a U.S. agency on steroids, which is an idea that has seemed to stick universally for years. To be fair, it was usually based in the U.S. Iron Man used to supply them with technology in 616 so it all works out.

Black Panther looks cool.

Fans should understand, that while this show will probably be closer to 616 continuity than Ultimate, some newer ideas or details or whatnot will be part of the show. I mean, the Bruce Timm line of DC animation did no end of revisions to DC characters, starting as early as in BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES. If anything, that series was HAILED for picking and choosing bits from various sources (comics, movies, even at times TV shows) to create a definitive version of every character. That trend only continued in JUSTICE LEAGUE and no one really complains about how the founders were so different, or how you had then-current incarnations or translations of characters alongside others that seemed to be as they were in the Silver Age. If anything, some of those changes helped characters like John Stewart and Hawkgirl become more well known.

I'm merely stating this because sometimes we fans nitpick things for the silliest of reasons. Josh Fine, Chris Yost and company seem to be putting everything into this show. They appear to really, REALLY want it to be good and epic this time. It's Marvel's best chance at a JUSTICE LEAGUE type show, and hopefully better; both JL and JLU usually needed at least a season in the wash before getting good.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know what Iron Man supplying SHIELD with technology--which he did from way back in their origin story--has to do with SHIELD being a UN or a US agency. The US is a major part of the UN, too. And SHIELD may have interacted with the Avengers from time to time, but the Avengers were never a "SHIELD team" until the Ultimate line came along and the movies glommed onto that origin. I still much prefer the "heroes banding together for a common purpose" origin rather than "heroes banding together 'cause the government damn well tells them to" one, personally.

Also, batting Yost's name around doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Dude hasn't made a single good cartoon for Marvel yet, as far as I'm concerned, either in the DTV movie arena or on TV. If anything, this cartoon will probably have to succeed in spite of him.

 

[Dread]

Some of Yost's solo comic book work that I have read wasn't bad, such as his SECRET INVASION Young Avengers/Runaways mini, or an X-Men series that was a prelude to War Of Kings. He seems to know continuity fairly well and I imagined him as the brains to Craig Kyle's brawn. He'll be a story editor I believe, which means he won't write every episode himself anyway. The thing is that Marvel really never has had a version of Bruce Timm, so you have to take them from where you can get 'em.

Besides, I didn't mind HULK VS. Yeah, it stunk that Thor got schooled, but as a story itself I was entertained. Chris Yost also wrote many episodes of the 2k3 TMNT, and that show was always consistently good until the 6th season.

It's been a while since the production team was stated beyond Yost and one of the directors from TEEN TITANS, which had it's moments. The voice cast assembled from an interview that Phil LaMarr gave to Newsarama a year ago is pretty damned stellar.

The Avengers have operated with government clearance before in 616. That was usually why Henry Gyrich and no end of government contacts were assigned to the team. The fact of the matter is in 2010, there is really little way the government would allow a team of superheroes to assemble without some sort of authority or clearance. This isn't DC. Marvel humans not only mistrust their heroes, they practically hate them and assume the worst of them. You couldn't simply have the Justice League assemble in Marville and operate without a messload of government contacts and authority for ages without world war three starting.

There is a part of me who believes that producers see that SHIELD connection as making the Avengers seem like a different superhero team than the Justice League (a bunch of solo vigilantes/demi-gods who unite and act on their own authority who are rarely questioned because they save the day a lot) or the Fantastic Four (who are freelance as well). Now, we really don't know how this series will work so there isn't a guarantee that these Avengers will be like the Ultimates and assemble because the government assembles them. We've been told that this series does lift things from the original comics when it can so for all we know they could just randomly assemble like in the comics to fight Loki and go from there.

I suppose ideally SHIELD could be seen as NATO, a sort of international peace keeping mission, but alternate media seems to like simplicity and SHIELD as "American CIA on 'roids" basically seems to be simple enough for people to make films or TV shows.

My point is that if this show is bad, these are the things we'll cite as People's Evidence. But if it turns out to be great, these are the things that fans should let go of, just like the many details of JLU that everyone lets go and no one whined about when it was on.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You're not listening, Dreadykins. I know the Avengers have worked with the government. But they were not formed by the government until the Ultimate line came along. I really couldn't care less how plausible or implausible a superhero team forming without government intervention is in 2010, 2090, 378 BC, or any other period, either; they did form without government intervention initially, I like the independence that gives them, and it's no more implausible than a living god walking the earth or a man emerging from an iceberg in perfect health after 50 years.

The government's not solely a battering ram, either. I think it's very reasonable that they could see this new team form without their say-so and simply decide to deputize them rather than fight them because--let's face it--the government, without already having another Avengers-esque team at their beck and call, couldn't do a damned thing to stop the Avengers from operating with or without their approval. The government knows when to pick its battles. The Avengers, for their part, willingly worked with SHIELD and Gyrich and various others in the government providing oversight in order to foster a spirit of cooperation rather than adversity in the comics, too. I know the Marvel universe has become a rather cynical place lately, but there's no reason the Avengers and the government couldn't simply work together because it's the most expedient and sensible option.

If the show is good, I'm sure I'll be able to overlook the SHIELD thing. I may even be able to overlook Iron Man being the leader, if indeed he stays the leader after Cap comes in. But those little things start to add up sooner or later, and like I said, Yost's name as the main creative force behind the series already doesn't fill me with too much confidence.

But I'm sure we'll get a great Avengers cartoon someday. If this one isn't it, I'm content to keep waiting.

 

[Dread]

Frankly, it's beyond incompetent that it has taken THIS LONG to get a good Avengers show. 1999's "AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND" was an abomination of a failure. It was so bad it made "SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED" look good, because at least that tried something different - stupid, but different. "A:UTS" played it safe and catered to every network and action figure executive and was a piece of crap. It's taken ten to eleven years and another string of Spider-Man and X-Men shows (two each) and even a Fantastic Four show and nearly a dozen animated DVD's before Marvel Animation finally decided to try to get on that horse again. The fact that WB had "JUSTICE LEAGUE" was probably a final embarrassment and I wouldn't be surprised if the order was given to wait until that finished, so the audience wouldn't have to compete or compare with it.

If "AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES" isn't as good as some of the occasional voice actors or insiders are saying it is, I will be beyond irritated. Marvel as a comic book company is a company that is very much like a public school; is more than willing to embrace mediocrity or spend extra attention on the below average, but sometimes is at a loss with what to do with the truly brilliant. I would hate if that could also be said of their animation division. I'm more willing to cut Yost a chance than you. He's done some good work in my eyes. Part of me likes to think that Craig Kyle sometimes has so much energy that he is willing to sacrifice good sense for an explosion, but I don't get that vibe from Yost. I've mostly enjoyed the Marvel DTV's overall, aside for "INVINCIBLE IRON MAN" and "NEXT AVENGERS". If I had to say anything about the non-TSSM era of Marvel animation, it is that it always has it's moments. X-MEN EVOLUTION turned from a good to great show as it went along. Everything since has tanked in 26 episodes, but there always are parts that are great. The trick has been assembling them into a whole for a long period of time. In sports, they'd call it, "playing a complete game". To me, "X-MEN EVOLUTION" was the last Marvel cartoon that at least played a complete game.

TSSM was tied in with Sony, but also, like I said, it was a brilliant show, so neither Marvel or Disney knew what to do with it.

Still, this will be the first chance to see Josh Fine and Chris Yost work on a show without Kyle's influence, for better or worse. I imagine there is INCREDIBLE pressure on them from Marvel & Disney that this show cannot be a failure. They are investing in 52 episodes right off the bat and I imagine a set block on DISNEY XD will be enshrined to it. The show cannot be a bust. At least corporately.

As for the SHIELD thing, I suppose I accept it better because I'm more of a Marvel Zombie than a DC fan, and I'm more of a cynic than an optimist. There is a difference between accepting a leap of faith in terms of powers or origins versus accepting changes in human nature. I could never buy that a government would be perfectly happy or willing to accept a team of demi-gods who pledge loyalty to no authority building a satellite tower in the middle of space and stepping on the toes of "official authorities" like the police or the military to deal with threats. I would always roll my eyes when, say, a medic would treat Batman or Flash during some sort of alien attack and not try to unmask them, or demand it to be treated. In the real world people would rather die in a fire than compromise with anyone they saw as more powerful. Superman had just ended his own show being brainwashed by Darkseid and trashing much of Metropolis in his name, and then all of a sudden he's giving speeches at the U.N. and everyone on the globe trusts him to run a superhero team? Wonder Woman's a day from that Amazon Island and no one sees her as an unknown? And isn't Batman often considered just as nuts as the crooks he chases to the average Gotham citizen (and nearly half the cops as well)? But it isn't until about 3 seasons in that the government of DCU Animated earth decides, hey, that Justice League is a power that we should at least try to check on. While I often thought that Marvel's citizens were blindly distrusting and suspicious of their heroes to the point of having a species wide death wish, I often found DC's citizens to be blindly loyal and forgiving to anyone with their underoos over their pants and an S on their chest, in a world where police officers and firemen are taken for granted or sometimes called lazy or greedy, or are almost never given the benefit of the doubt if they need it. We live in a world where diplomats, agencies, Congress, even the entire world would rather it all end in a ball of flame than dare compromise or make benefits of the doubt.

After all, Tony Stark was always connected to government contracts and agencies like SHIELD at the start of his career, so the idea of Iron Man being part of that isn't as far fetched. Hank Pym is a scientist who works on major stuff and in the real world these days, you can't just be a scientist who creates advanced stuff and be totally under the radar. Janet Van Dyne is usually considered more of a co-scientist with Pym as per the Ultimates model rather than simply a flighty, spoiled rich girl who happened to date the right guy anymore, because of, y'know, feminism (because women totally don't use marriage as a promotion these days, no way, Mrs. Hillary Clinton). Thor's from Asgard and I would be a little annoyed if like SHIELD had given him a cell phone at the start of the pilot. And Banner was usually always known to the government even when he was just working on a gamma base. The teaser footage at C232 in April (which was apparently never leaked) seemed to show a mass super villain break out and Nick Fury telling Iron Man that he couldn't handle it alone. I don't know whether Fury will have his Ultimate or 616 design. I'd imagine the former. Like I said, this is one thing that all the movies seem to be doing, and it would be odd if the cartoon didn't have synergy with that in that regard. To me this one element isn't a deal breaker. The Avengers usually always worked with the fed and had clearance anyway. Some of them were more intertwined with that world anyway. Hell, Capt. America would have technically been a military soldier who was MIA for a very, VERY long time. There's no way they'd just thaw him out and not keep any tabs on him, or not just put him back to work whenever he was willing.

It depends on how it is handled. For all we know, maybe Iron Man is the one who is with SHIELD, but the others are freelancers and be brings them in. Or an incident brings them all together and they organize from there. Until we see more test footage or an official trailer it is hard to tell by second hand knowledge.

I probably have more concerns about the Hulk being a regular, long term member of the Avengers team. In the comics, even Ultimate, he wasn't an Avenger for long. He was always too unstable. To me, the decision to keep Hulk on the roster was made for more obligatory popularity reasons than Iron Man being the leader. With Hulk there, Thor won't be the strongest character and he'll be playing second fiddle every time a fight gets tough. Much as Wonder Woman or J'onn almost never beat a threat Superman couldn't overpower in JLU. Plus, I'm concerned about the personality of it. The Hulk is usually seen as a menace, and he's supposed to be tempermental; even more so than Wolverine. Is the Hulk more like a force of nature that gets unleashed because Dr. Banner is working with the Avengers and their adventures sometimes get him angry? Is he a brute who has to be steered into the right direction? Or will be simply become the Thing who talks in third person? If they can't make me believe it, that could be a problem. That was a problem in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, they couldn't make me swallow some of the status quo choices they insisted on.

The Hulk is brute strength and nothing more. Thor has plenty of that, but combined with warrior skill and quite a few additional powers from the hammer besides just shooting electric bolts. In a perfect world both would be shown with their boons and banes, but who knows. I will say that considering Thor will be getting another film a LOT sooner than Hulk appears on the screen again, hopefully this time Thor won't look like a chump.

The Iron Man as leader thing is something I will also have to be used to, but it'll depend. Technically in the comics, Iron Man was a founding Avenger; Capt. America wasn't found until a few issues later, basically to replace the Hulk (and pretend they'd never had him as a founder, since they "retroactively" made Cap a founder. "Oh, yeah, that Hulk bit was just a phase"). They used to have a rotating chairman position where every member was leader for a day or something. For long stretches of time, Wasp even led. So it was some time before Capt. America was the de facto leader of leaders, and if the cartoon shows that evolution from being used to the world he was thawed out in to becoming the best Avenger leader ever, even winning over Iron Man so that the perennial loner and glory hogging control freak gives Rogers the keys to the mansion at some point, that could be good stuff.

Iron Man was always quick to pull rank on Cap as a "founder" if they ever disagreed about something major, such as killing off the Supreme Intelligence, anyway.

My point is that if the show is good overall, I can overlook some differences from 616. If I couldn't, I'd be unable to watch any sort of alternate media interpretation.

 

[Dread]

In minor news about the show, in the Toonzone forums, TheVileOne (who is often a bit of an insider as he covers a lot of news for Toonzone) has confirmed that Ms. Marvel will be one of many B-List Avengers to appear in the show, and that she'll be voiced by the ever reliable Jennifer Hale. So this show many end up like JLU; there is a core cast of some 6-8 characters, but other heroes show up a lot and get focus from time to time. Which isn't a bad way to do Avengers per say. Especially since 52 episodes are being produced all at once. I mean, if an X-Men show can always load in the cameos, why not the Avengers?

Ms. Marvel hasn't seen animation since the 90's X-MEN, so she's overdue.

 

[lixdexia]

In minor news about the show, in the Toonzone forums, TheVileOne (who is often a bit of an insider as he covers a lot of news for Toonzone) has confirmed that Ms. Marvel will be one of many B-List Avengers to appear in the show, and that she'll be voiced by the ever reliable Jennifer Hale. So this show many end up like JLU; there is a core cast of some 6-8 characters, but other heroes show up a lot and get focus from time to time. Which isn't a bad way to do Avengers per say. Especially since 52 episodes are being produced all at once. I mean, if an X-Men show can always load in the cameos, why not the Avengers?

Ms. Marvel hasn't seen animation since the 90's X-MEN, so she's overdue.

not true, she was in at least one episode of superhero squad.

 

[KBX]

Ms. Marvel hasn't seen animation since the 90's X-MEN, so she's overdue.

I think Luke Cage has never been animated so he's overdue and I am not counting the SHS show. Hey for me the more characters, the better. Im sure Ms. Marvel will probably be the Huntress of JLU. Never part of the core 7, but featured in a good amount of episodes, espically with ties to Shield. The only part of this show that I don't think will be like JLU is, well JLU had episodes, many episodes that the main 7 didn't even show up in. I don't know if that will ever happen especially within the first 13 or so episodes.

 

[TheVileOne]

Ms. Marvel is in like EVERY episode of Superhero Squad played by Grey DeLisle. Dread using his selective photographic memory again .

The thing is, Superhero Squad is actually a good parody/comedy show with some solid and clever writing and performances.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's understandably not really the kind of show a lot of fans want, though.

 

[TheVileOne]

Maybe not. It's not my most desired type of show. It's still a funny enjoyable show.

 

[Dread]

I didn't mention Ms. Marvel being on MARVEL SUPERHERO SQUAD because I didn't know. It was sheer ignorance, not omission, on my part.

For me, MSSS seems to be more "kiddie" than BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD, which seems better able to straddle the line of being fluffy for kids and fun for adults. Once you go chibi style, that's pandering to me, and you lose me. I never watched SD GUNDAM, for instance. But, getting the kids hooked is a good idea.

One dilemma that Marvel still has is no iconic heroine that can really match DC's Wonder Woman. In the 90's they thought it was Storm. Even Ms. Marvel is really just a female version of Captain Mar-Vell; the fact that she's outlasted him and become more well known is irrelevant to that fact. Marvel has a lot of great heroines, and many of them will appear in AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES like Wasp, Ms. Marvel, and Black Widow, but none of them really have the iconic status of Wonder Woman.

Ironically, DC often mishandles this status for her, and seems to never know what to do with WW. Proving the fact of life that inherited advantages are often undeserved and unappreciated.

 

[sha1243]

I dont know if you guy's know this or not but this show airs in October in Canada.
http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=553
"July 15, 2010 by James Harvey
Teletoon has released official details for the Canadian network's Fall 2010 schedule, including details on the debut of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and new episodes of The Super Hero Squad Show. Coverage also includes a new image from The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
The Canadian network Teletoon has released a new press release promoting the new fall season for the popular animation station. The complete press release follows after the official press details for the new The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series and other Marvel Animation-related content.

Teletoon has released the following official details for the upcoming animated series The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, debuting this fall on Teletoon. The new Marvel Animation series will premiere new episodes beginning in October 2010.


The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
Premieres Friday, October 22 at 8 p.m. ET/PT
New Series • 26 x 30 min

When the planet is threatened by Super Villains, time traveling conquerors, alien invaders, mythical monsters or mad robots bent on the total destruction of humanity, the Avengers assemble. From Iron Man and Captain America to Thor and The Incredible Hulk, the earth’s mightiest heroes come together to protect the planet from menaces.

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes will debut new episodes every Friday at 8:00pm (ET), with reruns to air the following Sunday at 12:00pm (ET). Additionally, The Super Hero Squad Show returns to Teletoon for a second season of 26 new adventures. New episodes will debut every Sunday at 9:00am (ET) beginning this fall, with further details available below."
For those who cant open the link

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Cool. The article won't open in my browser for some reason, so I'll just ask: any word on a US air date yet?