World Avengers cartoon

[Anubis]

Well, Comics Kang has his own morality and sense of honor. If he really wanted to, he could have defeated the Avengers long ago by simply coming back seconds after their last epic dust up, rested and refreshed, with 100,000 shock troops, and simply beat them into submission. But he sees that as cheating. That's one of the reasons I always liked comics Kang. On the show they gave him a reason, and on the surface, that's nice, but I liked the comics version. He fights the Avengers because he's f**king bored. It really kinda gives him more depth to be this dude who has his own warrior code, but is still sick enough to kill billions just for s**ts and giggles.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well in the comics, didn't Kang make Tony Stark/Iron Man his servant all along or something?

 

[misjuevos]

In the Bill and Ted movies they use time travel in a fun way. I liked the bit when they start coming up with a plan and will go back in time to place items they will need. Then the items are there already, they create so many paradoxes. I always liked that premise. Anytime I see a time traveler I think of that. So any situation the time traveler wins.

 

[gkokujin]

Fury's patch isnt even on the same eye

"Damned LMDs are all USELESS now!"

 

[Dread]

Graviton was a lot of sheer power, but Kang has that, as well as an army of underlings and robots as well as time-travel powers, which means future tech and knowledge of the future. Iron Man MAY have been able to hack into his stuff in the short term, but Kang did reclaim it, and likely won't be fooled twice. Plus, he's getting a THREE EPISODE ARC. No villain yet has gotten three episodes. Even Baron Zemo, aside for subplots, has only gotten two (same as Graviton and Leader).

Still, A:EMH has been as good as it has been because of having good villains. The first season of JUSTICE LEAGUE basically lacked that until "INJUSTICE FOR ALL" (or "FURY", which took place afterwards, but CN aired out of order).

In the comics, "The Crossing" attempted to claim that Stark was basically Immortus' slave all along. But it's been quietly retconned and forgotten. Immortus is Kang from the FARTHER future than the 41st century. And Rama Tut is Kang from when he ruled ancient Egypt. And Iron Lad is Kang as a teenager, plucked from his own past by himself. I DARE anyone to make sense of that. But at least the cartoon has kept all that very simple.

Thor so far has been very cool. He often is there for the final takedown and while, yes, the Hulk did punk him in a fight, otherwise he's either the most powerful Avenger, or tied with the Hulk. Hulk has raw strength, but Thor has other abilities and tactics. Thor even has half a brain when he has to use it; I loved his clever defeat of Absorbing Man in "GAMMA WORLD" (and heck, even the notion of Leader matching wits with Thor of all people for so long was cool. Least Hulk can share his villains, too).

 

[JoeyConQueso]

No villain yet has gotten three episodes. Even Baron Zemo, aside for subplots, has only gotten two (same as Graviton and Leader).

Technically, Graviton only got one.

 

[brainchild81]

I love this show.

 

[the dmg]

That reason being because of the Hulk/Banner situation. In Wolverine and The X-men, Hulk is under SHIELD custody. By the end of the episode, he's out on his own again. When we first see Banner/Hulk again in Avengers, Banner is on the run from the authorities. Banner is wanted by both SHIELD and Ross.

Nothing unusual for Banner in general.

As far as the whole mutant thing. Avengers has established that mutants and the X-men exist in their world. The MRD which was the mutant police force was also established as existing in the show. MRD was original to Wolverine and The X-men. Most of the major events in X-men I imagine didn't take place in NYC like Avengers.

Again, the MRD has been introduced into the comics, so this point doesn't stick.

But I mean to point out that logical fallacy between these two cartoons only really underscores this already existing between the two shows. Their two main stories are separate but they still exist in the same canon and Avengers has definitely played with that.

It really hasn't.

I'm not making **** up either. You all should know by now that my track record speaks for itself. The Chris Yost confirmation was already in this very thread. Stop wallowing in your own ignorant world. So use that thing on your desk, its called a mouse and click back.

Yeah...here's the thing. It wasn't.

 

[BigThor]

Graviton was a lot of sheer power, but Kang has that, as well as an army of underlings and robots as well as time-travel powers, which means future tech and knowledge of the future. Iron Man MAY have been able to hack into his stuff in the short term, but Kang did reclaim it, and likely won't be fooled twice. Plus, he's getting a THREE EPISODE ARC. No villain yet has gotten three episodes. Even Baron Zemo, aside for subplots, has only gotten two (same as Graviton and Leader).

Still, A:EMH has been as good as it has been because of having good villains. The first season of JUSTICE LEAGUE basically lacked that until "INJUSTICE FOR ALL" (or "FURY", which took place afterwards, but CN aired out of order).

In the comics, "The Crossing" attempted to claim that Stark was basically Immortus' slave all along. But it's been quietly retconned and forgotten. Immortus is Kang from the FARTHER future than the 41st century. And Rama Tut is Kang from when he ruled ancient Egypt. And Iron Lad is Kang as a teenager, plucked from his own past by himself. I DARE anyone to make sense of that. But at least the cartoon has kept all that very simple.

Thor so far has been very cool. He often is there for the final takedown and while, yes, the Hulk did punk him in a fight, otherwise he's either the most powerful Avenger, or tied with the Hulk. Hulk has raw strength, but Thor has other abilities and tactics. Thor even has half a brain when he has to use it; I loved his clever defeat of Absorbing Man in "GAMMA WORLD" (and heck, even the notion of Leader matching wits with Thor of all people for so long was cool. Least Hulk can share his villains, too).

What fight did you watch? The fight I watch had Thor and Hulk fighting pretty evenly

 

[TheVileOne]

Nothing unusual for Banner in general.

You can say its not unusual but the point is CONTRADICTION. It gels with the status quo of Wolverine and The X-men. It does not contradict what took place in that episode.

Again, the MRD has been introduced into the comics, so this point doesn't stick.

The MRD were used marginally in the comics. They were originally created in Wolverine and The X-men and carried over into this show.

Yeah...here's the thing. It wasn't.

Yes it was. It's not my fault you are lazy and won't click back.

 

[Dread]

Technically, Graviton only got one.

I count it as two.

What fight did you watch? The fight I watch had Thor and Hulk fighting pretty evenly

Hulk tossed him away by his cape. It was a bit undignified. But I got past it.

 

[BigThor]

I count it as two.



Hulk tossed him away by his cape. It was a bit undignified. But I got past it.

Yeah, after Thor put him on his back with a 3 piece combo & sent him flyin with one punch

What did that toss really do to Thor? nothin much

 

[TheVileOne]

Don't you guys understand? Hulk is the strongest there is. Science is real and will beat magic every time!

 

[Anubis]

Well in the comics, didn't Kang make Tony Stark/Iron Man his servant all along or something?

Yeah, but that got retconned away because it was stupid.

 

[Anubis]

Graviton was a lot of sheer power, but Kang has that, as well as an army of underlings and robots as well as time-travel powers, which means future tech and knowledge of the future. Iron Man MAY have been able to hack into his stuff in the short term, but Kang did reclaim it, and likely won't be fooled twice. Plus, he's getting a THREE EPISODE ARC. No villain yet has gotten three episodes. Even Baron Zemo, aside for subplots, has only gotten two (same as Graviton and Leader).

Still, A:EMH has been as good as it has been because of having good villains. The first season of JUSTICE LEAGUE basically lacked that until "INJUSTICE FOR ALL" (or "FURY", which took place afterwards, but CN aired out of order).

In the comics, "The Crossing" attempted to claim that Stark was basically Immortus' slave all along. But it's been quietly retconned and forgotten. Immortus is Kang from the FARTHER future than the 41st century. And Rama Tut is Kang from when he ruled ancient Egypt. And Iron Lad is Kang as a teenager, plucked from his own past by himself. I DARE anyone to make sense of that. But at least the cartoon has kept all that very simple.

Thor so far has been very cool. He often is there for the final takedown and while, yes, the Hulk did punk him in a fight, otherwise he's either the most powerful Avenger, or tied with the Hulk. Hulk has raw strength, but Thor has other abilities and tactics. Thor even has half a brain when he has to use it; I loved his clever defeat of Absorbing Man in "GAMMA WORLD" (and heck, even the notion of Leader matching wits with Thor of all people for so long was cool. Least Hulk can share his villains, too).

Actually, Immortus and Kang are separate entities.....kinda. At the end of Avengers Forever, the time watchers or whatever the f**k their names were tried to move Kang along his timeline until he became Immortus, but through sheer force of Will, Kang ripped himself away, becoming two people. Kang, the warrior, and Immortus, his scholarly side.

 

[venomfangs125]

Yeah, after Thor put him on his back with a 3 piece combo & sent him flyin with one punch

What did that toss really do to Thor? nothin much

Thank you, I was gonna say it if you weren't. t:

I think its safe to say they were both pretty even in that fight. And as those gaurdians/powerful entities said in that canceled comic where they pitted Hulk and Thor against each other, the fight was inconclusive.

If anything that's just how I like it. Avengers: EMH Thor is by far my favorite version of him. He's supposed to be uber-strong, he should be able to knock Hulk on his ass a few times.

Kang vs. Graviton...I really, REALLY don't know an outcome. I love both, I can think of a scenario where Graviton wins then Kang wins. As for characteristics: Kang is the more sinister, plot character with a mother ship the size of a small city, an armada of 150+ spaceships and possibly WAAAAY more starfighters/soliders/battle robots but in a overall battle between Kang on his throne and Gravy, I dunno, this remains to be seen until Kang actually TRIES. In the trailer, Kang summons a laser sword and a laser axe as well as powers up his fists as he flies (very fast, mind you) toward the Hulk. He's clearly out for blood, so he may be tougher than he was in episode 17.

Speaking of Graviton, I remeber writing once how I would like to see more of him in Avengers...Next time he shows up, he should be more adept with his powers. Imagine an EXPERIENCED Graviton. He gave the Avengers a run when he was just starting out...YIKES.


Can't wait for tommorow. From the looks of the trailer, they're BARELY defending NYC against just TWO of Kang's UFO-like ships. How are they gonna defend the whole world against that? Or better yet, is that why they call the episode after this the Kang Dynasty? Because as tough as the Avengers are, they can't fend off all those guys across the world like in England and Egypt. Kang's looking to be A LOT more formidable than those white gooey 'Invader' guys in the first few episodes of the Justice League.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

But Thor's role in the show is complicated quite a bit by the fact that the Hulk is a permanent member of the team instead of a founder who leaves after one issue and never comes back for any significant amount of time.

It was two issues, actually.

 

[BigThor]

Thank you, I was gonna say it if you weren't. t:

I think its safe to say they were both pretty even in that fight. And as those gaurdians/powerful entities said in that canceled comic where they pitted Hulk and Thor against each other, the fight was inconclusive.

If anything that's just how I like it. Avengers: EMH Thor is by far my favorite version of him. He's supposed to be uber-strong, he should be able to knock Hulk on his ass a few times.

Kang vs. Graviton...I really, REALLY don't know an outcome. I love both, I can think of a scenario where Graviton wins then Kang wins. As for characteristics: Kang is the more sinister, plot character with a mother ship the size of a small city, an armada of 150+ spaceships and possibly WAAAAY more starfighters/soliders/battle robots but in a overall battle between Kang on his throne and Gravy, I dunno, this remains to be seen until Kang actually TRIES. In the trailer, Kang summons a laser sword and a laser axe as well as powers up his fists as he flies (very fast, mind you) toward the Hulk. He's clearly out for blood, so he may be tougher than he was in episode 17.

Speaking of Graviton, I remeber writing once how I would like to see more of him in Avengers...Next time he shows up, he should be more adept with his powers. Imagine an EXPERIENCED Graviton. He gave the Avengers a run when he was just starting out...YIKES.


Can't wait for tommorow. From the looks of the trailer, they're BARELY defending NYC against just TWO of Kang's UFO-like ships. How are they gonna defend the whole world against that? Or better yet, is that why they call the episode after this the Kang Dynasty? Because as tough as the Avengers are, they can't fend off all those guys across the world like in England and Egypt. Kang's looking to be A LOT more formidable than those white gooey 'Invader' guys in the first few episodes of the Justice League.

You know what, I would LOVE for Thor & Hulk to be the ones to physically defeat Kang while the other Avengers keep his forces at bay. They have yet to have Thor & Hulk really work together (Gamma World came close).

Not because their my favorites or anything, but because they are the closest to his power level. Also because the other heroes like Wasp, Cpt. America, Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Giant Man are kinda of useless against Kang.

 

[Panthro]

Don't you guys understand? Hulk is the strongest there is. Science is real and will beat magic every time!

Hulk is overrated.

 

[lixdexia]

Don't you guys understand? Hulk is the strongest there is. Science is real and will beat magic every time!

still not as bad as the gary stu-ing wolverine gets

 

[BigThor]

Hulk is overrated.

He's HIGHLY overrated

 

[terry78]

Wolverine and Hulk are both overrated in that sense. Their power levels just get ramped up according to the plots.

I still don't know who regenerates faster, Hulk or Wolverine.

 

[Dread]

Actually, Immortus and Kang are separate entities.....kinda. At the end of Avengers Forever, the time watchers or whatever the f**k their names were tried to move Kang along his timeline until he became Immortus, but through sheer force of Will, Kang ripped himself away, becoming two people. Kang, the warrior, and Immortus, his scholarly side.

I see. It's still bonkers. Time travel shenanigans are best kept simple.

 

[Drz]

Lol so thats why Kang and Immortus look alike.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Hulk is overrated.

He's HIGHLY overrated

Nonsense.