Avengers/Kingdome Come Ends - Mark Waid vs. Joss Whedon

[Breogan]

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

now that you've brought it up, its so ****ed up. i so have wanted a kingdom come live adaptation, now that would just seem like a rip off.

 

[Breogan]

now that you've brought it up, its so ****ed up. i so have wanted a kingdom come live adaptation, now that would just seem like a rip off.

They certainly couldn't use that same ending since Marvel swiped it.

 

[metaphysician]

Honestly, there really isn't any similarity, beyond the nuke catch scene, and only very vaguely. The nuking, for instance, has nothing to do with out of control, destructive superhumans; its simply because there's an alien invasion that needs to be stopped.

 

[Breogan]

Honestly, there really isn't any similarity, beyond the nuke catch scene,

If it was some random side scene I'd agree, but when it's the absolute hero sacrifice and climax moment of the movie, it becomes a significant similarity. And yes this is a common trope.

...and only very vaguely. The nuking, for instance, has nothing to do with out of control, destructive superhumans;

Did you see the same movie? Did you see the whole first half of the movie where destructive superheroes fraught each-other? A whole underlying theme was trust , the govt. certainly didn't think they could trust, or control these volatile, unpredictable "hero/monsters", they didn't just build a cage for Loki.
In the end they felt just as threatened and uneasy about the heroes, their egos, their duplicity, their power, as they did the villains, and in the end were willing to nuke them all.
And did!

its simply because there's an alien invasion that needs to be stopped.

Wow, just no.

 

[The Guard]

First, this is a spoiler.

Second, I don't know if whoever made this comparison actually read KINGDOM COME.

Third, I'll take Mark Waid's version of this over ANYTHING Joss tried to do similarly with AVENGERS.

KINGDOM COME does not feature Captain Marvel

Spoiler

catching a nuke and sending it into space

. Kingdom Come features a race between Superman and Captain Marvel for the fate of the world and its future...it is the culmination of multiple storylines and themes. And then Captain Marvel

Spoiler

damn well does not carry it out of safety, but detonates the bomb as high inside our atmosphere as he can, and hundreds and hundreds of heroes die.

Nothing all that similar to Avengers. Which included about the worst version of this that I've ever seen,

Spoiler

Iron Man's sacrifice

notwithstanding.

 

[CConn]

Eh, when you think about it, there's a pretty finite number of plots you can use for superhero adventures. There's been just so many stories over the past 80 years (and really, the past 8,000 years), there's nothing that's truly original.

The important thing is how you assemble those various recycled parts to craft something new and original. And Whedon did that successfully. The Avengers certainly didn't "feel" anything like Kingdom Come, and that's what makes the difference.