Avengers question.

[superhero_mania]

Is the new Avengers better than the long-lasting Avengers?

 

[sandwraith]

Depends on what sense.

On one hand, the New Avengers utilize a number of under-used characters very well such as Luke Cage whom is apparently Bendis' favorite black guy, the Sentry, Spider-Woman and Echo. The storylines are little too political at times, namely because of characters like Maria Hill but some fans dig it. Sentry's supposed to be the Thor of the team but I'm not too happy about it. As far as I'm concerned no one can beat Thor as the Avengers 2nd hardest hitter.

The old Avengers were fine too...until Bendis gave Scarlet Witch a Nervous Breakdown and 'Disassembled' it for a couple of months. I really never got how Stark told everyone in the mansion that he couldn't fund the restoration of the old Avenger when months later he's helping Cap build the 'New' Avengers and is financing a war against heroes.

 

[Foggy Nelson]

No.

 

[Sugarculted]

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[Darthphere]

Is the new Avengers better than the long-lasting Avengers?

Was new coke better than old coke?

That should answer your question.

 

[PhotoJones]

Was new coke better than old coke?

That should answer your question.

no. but i kinda dug crystal pepsi...

 

[Purple Man]

There's no denying the fact that for years the Avengers just weren't working. They were the same old same old for decades. Nothing exceptional was coming out of that book until Bendis shot it into the next millenium.

Don't mind the whiners and pissants. They're still mourning an outdated status quo. Geoff Johns did some good stuff with the Avengers before disassembled, but in all honesty, he was getting the last few miles out of a dieing horse.

Bendis is now writing two very different and very cool Avengers books. You got New Avengers which is more underground espionage, on run from the government while Mighty Avengers is more like the classic Avengers that most people are used to. Powerful heroes fighting the big threats; Giant monsters, killer robots and the like.

Whichever way you lean, the Avengers are starting to feel like part of the Marvel Universe again instead of being stuck in their own little corner.

I by no means am trying to diss on the old school Avengers. It's just that you need to switch things up after a time. Hell, this seems less drastic than Stan Lees famous "clear out the Avengers roster and replace with Cap, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver"

 

[Sloth7d]

Yeah, I love both books to death.New and mighty.(well actually I only started liking New just recently with #27.) My only complaint is how Bendis writes Doc Strange and Sentry.

 

[Red]

No. New Avengers would work if it had a capable writter.

 

[Darthphere]

There's no denying the fact that for years the Avengers just weren't working. They were the same old same old for decades. Nothing exceptional was coming out of that book until Bendis shot it into the next millenium.

Don't mind the whiners and pissants. They're still mourning an outdated status quo. Geoff Johns did some good stuff with the Avengers before disassembled, but in all honesty, he was getting the last few miles out of a dieing horse.

Bendis is now writing two very different and very cool Avengers books. You got New Avengers which is more underground espionage, on run from the government while Mighty Avengers is more like the classic Avengers that most people are used to. Powerful heroes fighting the big threats; Giant monsters, killer robots and the like.

Whichever way you lean, the Avengers are starting to feel like part of the Marvel Universe again instead of being stuck in their own little corner.

I by no means am trying to diss on the old school Avengers. It's just that you need to switch things up after a time. Hell, this seems less drastic than Stan Lees famous "clear out the Avengers roster and replace with Cap, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver"

But thats exactly what you did. Really, lets be real, the roster changes and drastic departures from the Avengers formula were not needed. All you had to do was put Bendis on the title and you had a #1 seller right there. An undeniable fact.

 

[Eddie Brock]

The Fantastic Four are living proof that roster changes are unnecessary. Granted, their roster has changed from time-to-time, but it's mostly temporary, and generally their roster has been the same for 45 years.

 

[ibsisomis]

No because Cap's not there. Plain and simple!

 

[Harlekin]

There's no denying the fact that for years the Avengers just weren't working. They were the same old same old for decades. Nothing exceptional was coming out of that book until Bendis shot it into the next millenium.

Don't mind the whiners and pissants. They're still mourning an outdated status quo. Geoff Johns did some good stuff with the Avengers before disassembled, but in all honesty, he was getting the last few miles out of a dieing horse.

Tell that to Kurt Busiek, whose run was pretty acclaimed and drew in a lot of fans. Really, the only reason people were glad Bendis came on was because Austen had been screwing up the title royally before that. I'll agree that a bit of a shake-up was necessary, but not in the manner Bendis did it.

 

[Kitsune]

Nothing In memory is as bad as "Tony turned evil, replaced by a teen version of himself."

 

[ibsisomis]

Yeah, I don't agree with the fact that the Avengers was a "dying horse". There is no reason to say that or to think it either. Think of how many personalities were on that team. Think of how many people you could have done a "solo thing" with. That therory is bogus!

 

[Roughneck]

it's a good book but it just is not the Avengers at all.

 

[RockSP]

I really never got how Stark told everyone in the mansion that he couldn't fund the restoration of the old Avenger when months later he's helping Cap build the 'New' Avengers and is financing a war against heroes.

Ed Zacker Lee.

 

[Anubis]

He managed to make a significantly vast amount of money in six months having not had to pay the bills for the Avengers.

 

[Purple Man]

Yeah, I don't agree with the fact that the Avengers was a "dying horse". There is no reason to say that or to think it either. Think of how many personalities were on that team. Think of how many people you could have done a "solo thing" with. That therory is bogus!

Of course it could have been saved. Find a capable enough writer and you can fix any book. That's why we hold writers like Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Brian Michael Bendis to name a few, in such high esteem.

Sometimes the books need a major shake up.

Another example. When X-Men went Giant Size. Imagine the *****s storm that would have brought up had there been an internet for everyone to cry about their fears of losing the familiar.

Every character is being given that due respects. Yes, it is true that Bendis is working overtime to get more obscure characters some composure, but isn't that what the Avengers are all about? Boosting the profile of characters that don't have their own title and mixing them with well established characters whose own titles will get some extra sales from the ensemble book.

Bendis has not one but two teams of Avengers and with Slott on the Initiative. Characters new and old will be given chances to shine instead of rotting in mediocrity hoping for some Avengers face time.

The Marvel Universe is finally feeling alive and well again. While a lot of people are saying this is too much too soon. Suck it up and enjoy the ride. While Bendis may be a chatty Kathy when it comes to dialogue, screw it, it works, and he delivers stories like nobodies business.

If you don't like Joe Q or BMB you're going to have a hard time enjoying Marvel. They are sculpting the Marvel U along with great folks like Slott, Brubaker, JMS and Mark Millar.

I'll finish this with a simple question. When has Marvel seemed more alive and exciting?

 

[ibsisomis]

This is TRUE!^^

 

[Darthphere]

I'll finish this with a simple question. When has Marvel seemed more alive and exciting?

The question is misleading because were talking about a book that launched 3 years ago, when at the time, the climate at Marvel and comics was significantly different than it is now.

 

[Anubis]

I move to strike.

 

[32CAGE]

I move to strike.

Sustained!

 

[hippie_hunter]

I have to agree with Harlekin in the feeling that yes the Avengers needed some updating, but not the drastic measures that Bendis took. Maybe shake up the roster by getting rid of a few no-namers like Captain Britain, She-Hulk, and Ant-Man and put in a few more A-listers like Spider-Man, Hulk, Dr. Strange, Thor, or Daredevil. Maybe it just needed a new writer (like Bendis or whomever).

We didn't need the book to get canceled and relaunched with a new #1 so Bendis could have a book to call his very own filled with his pet characters (Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Ronin, and Luke Cage). We didn't need Bendis to crap over the Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye. And he didn't have to go off killing so many damn characters like Ant-Man, Vision, and Hawkeye. Also we didn't need a book where the Avengers (the world's mightiest heroes) got their asses handed to them by Hand ninja. New Avengers just did not feel like the Avengers and the only reason why it is the #1 selling book is because of this formula:

Spider-Man + Captain America + Iron Man + Wolverine + Brian Michael Bendis = Top Seller!​

However, to everyone who says that Bendis is incapable of writing the Avengers, go read Mighty Avengers, it actually has the feel of an Avengers book and it's pretty damn good.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The New Avengers? Not really. They simply make no sense to me.

The Classic Avengers provided more what I liked out of the Avengers, and an extremely healthy roster of heros.