Bad Robot/Jonathan Nolan Bringing "Westworld" to HBO

[Dr Lee]

If the two timeline thing is happening then this is probably a sign that Delores is retracing her steps from the last time she went rogue.... and that the shot without them in it was her in present time remembering the past events?

 

[Kaleb]

If the two timeline thing is happening then this is probably a sign that Delores is retracing her steps from the last time she went rogue.... and that the shot without them in it was her in present time remembering the past events?

That's the impression I got as well

 

[Marvolo]

Thanks for explaining that. Makes sense now. This show is a trip.

 

[Kaleb]

Watched the pilot episode again, I'm positive we are hearing Arnold and not Bernard speaking during the voice over when he says:

''Last question Dolores what if I told you were wrong,that there are no chance encounters.That you and everyone you know were built to gratify the desires of those who payed to visit your world,the people you call the newcomers'

What if I told you,that you cant hurt the newcomers and that they can do anything they want to you'


It wouldn't surprise me if this was the last thing Arnold said to her.

 

[Brother Jack]

Spoiler

There's a theory going around that Bernard is Arnold, or that Bernard is a robotic recreation of Arnold, and that the scenes between him and Dolores are actually from when Arnold was still alive, so that there is actually an earlier third timeline at play.

 

[Kaleb]

Spoiler

There's a theory going around that Bernard is Arnold, or that Bernard is a robotic recreation of Arnold, and that the scenes between him and Dolores are actually from when Arnold was still alive, so that there is actually an earlier third timeline at play.

Spoiler

Yeah I'm on board with that theory that Bernard is a robotic recreation of Arnold

 

[Snow Queen]

Spoiler

There's also the whole Bernard Lowe being an anagram for Arnold Weber thing some people noticed. I'm sure there's something to that, at least.

 

[Kaleb]

Spoiler

We did see Arnold though, didn't we? And wasn't he white in said photo? I suppose it could have been someone else. There's also the whole Bernard Lowe being an anagram for Arnold Weber thing some people noticed. I'm sure there's something to that, at least.

Spoiler

It could be when Bernard saw the photo he was programmed to not recognize it (much like when Dolores see's the photo her dad shows her, she repeats twice ''it doesn't look like anything to me)

 

[Snow Queen]

Spoiler

It could be when Bernard saw the photo he was programmed to not recognize it (much like when Dolores see's the photo her dady shows her, she repeats twice ''it doesn't look like anything to me)

Spoiler

Yeah, I edited that part out while you were replying, it seems. Was talking with Man In The Suit at the same time and they sent me a gif of the shot.

There's enough space there for a third person off to the side, but also...just me or do Bernard and Arnold have the same or similar hairlines?

 

[Kaleb]

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Yeah, I edited that part out while you were replying, it seems. Was talking with Man In The Suit at the same time and they sent me a gif of the shot.

There's enough space there for a third person off to the side, but also...just me or do Bernard and Arnold have the same or similar hairlines?

[BLACKOUT] Does look a bit similar,my guess is he will look at the photo again in the future and he would then recognize it
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[JtheDreamer]

I think they resemble each other enough.

I just don't see it. Hell, Jimmi has a big mole on his right cheek. Ed does not.

 

[harlequinade]

Yeah Jimmi and Ed don't look alike at all however we keep seeing William become darker character with each episode and MiB more and more sympathetic. Also there's gotta be a reason for us not knowing MiB's name.

 

[elgaz]

Just caught up on 2 latest episodes as I was away for a while, thoroughly enjoyed them. Ed Harris as the MIB is just a joy to watch, he owns the screen any time he's on.

The scene with him and Ford facing off was a pleasant surprise; particularly how it was shot - the camera kept panning slightly so you could see the brim of MIB's hat but not his eyes as he was speaking, as if he was hiding something. And Ford is obviously hiding something as he gives little away with any of his responses.

Good music in both episodes again - particularly Audioslave's song. Nolan and co are obviously fans of Chris Cornell now that we've had songs from both bands he's written for.

 

[elgaz]

This episode seemed to all but confirm that William is the MiB, especially with the role that Lawrence is playing in it all.

I was all for that theory, then kinda went off it, now I'm back on it lol.

If this is true, then we have to look at their contemporary positions:

- MIB is (seemingly) the head of a very important foundation of some sort. One of the guests tries to thank him for helping, the Westworld staff treat him almost as a VIP and give him free rein to do anything he wants, and he obviously has huge wealth if he has been coming to the park for 30 years at a cost of $40,000 per day - just for recreation. He is presented as a cold, experienced and calculating individual.

- William is almost the polar opposite. We learn he's climbed up a corporate ladder somewhat, but is still in an executive position - yet Logan scoffs at this and states that William will 'never be a threat to anybody'. There's also a reference to his 'cheap black suit' which could mean nothing, or be an indication of a particular dress style William favours - just like the MIB. William seems almost naive, doesn't like abusing the hosts, and is presented as an all round fairly harmless individual. But as Ep5 progresses, we see him start to change slightly and respond to the freedom he can indulge in within the park.

Could William become MIB? I don't see why not. Something traumatic is going to happen him I suspect, which will affect his view on the world, and this epiphany may drive his subsequent change into the more dangerous individual that is the MIB. With 30+ years of rooting/tooting/shooting in the park, he could become anyone. I rewatched some of Ep5 there and something else stuck out - when Lawrence calls him a 'sadistic f**k', he says "there's not a man in the world would take the tone with me you do ........................ in a past life, perhaps..."

I've a theory that if this is true, William may end up killing Logan - for some reason - perhaps blaming it on the park. And the development of this killer instinct in him could drive his hunger and his progression from an Executive VP role in his real world job to overall CEO. People don't become CEO's by being nice.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I was all for that theory, then kinda went off it, now I'm back on it lol.

If this is true, then we have to look at their contemporary positions:

- MIB is (seemingly) the head of a very important foundation of some sort. One of the guests tries to thank him for helping, the Westworld staff treat him almost as a VIP and give him free rein to do anything he wants, and he obviously has huge wealth if he has been coming to the park for 30 years at a cost of $40,000 per day - just for recreation. He is presented as a cold, experienced and calculating individual.

- William is almost the polar opposite. We learn he's climbed up a corporate ladder somewhat, but is still in an executive position - yet Logan scoffs at this and states that William will 'never be a threat to anybody'. There's also a reference to his 'cheap black suit' which could mean nothing, or be an indication of a particular dress style William favours - just like the MIB. William seems almost naive, doesn't like abusing the hosts, and is presented as an all round fairly harmless individual. But as Ep5 progresses, we see him start to change slightly and respond to the freedom he can indulge in within the park.

Could William become MIB? I don't see why not. Something traumatic is going to happen him I suspect, which will affect his view on the world, and this epiphany may drive his subsequent change into the more dangerous individual that is the MIB. With 30+ years of rooting/tooting/shooting in the park, he could become anyone. I rewatched some of Ep5 there and something else stuck out - when Lawrence calls him a 'sadistic f**k', he says "there's not a man in the world would take the tone with me you do ........................ in a past life, perhaps..."

I've a theory that if this is true, William may end up killing Logan - for some reason - perhaps blaming it on the park. And the development of this killer instinct in him could drive his hunger and his progression from an Executive VP role in his real world job to overall CEO. People don't become CEO's by being nice.

I caught that. That is almost confirmation for me (along with everything else we have seen) altough it would be funny it was all misdirection. Considering how obvious William=MIB has become, I'd imagine they are gonna have to reveal the character's true identity before the end of the season.

 

[elgaz]

Was just watching some bits from all the episodes so far and noticed that in his first appearance (and subsequent appearances as the MIB's prisoner), Lawrence has specks of grey in his beard. However, in his scenes with William and co, he doesn't.

If he was just reset and sent back to work, why would they change his appearance overnight? However if it's a 30yr gap, this would explain things - perhaps the hosts do age, just at a much slower rate than humans.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I just don't see it. Hell, Jimmi has a big mole on his right cheek. Ed does not.

A younger Harris:

They look about as similar as any two random white guys. So not really at all.

I think there might be two time-lines but I don't believe its anywhere settled he's the younger MIB.

 

[elgaz]

I can see a slight resemblance, but then again it may not be intentional.

If they are playing the same character at different stages of his life, you'd have to wonder why the producers went to the expense of CGi'ing a younger Anthony Hopkins instead of just hiring a younger actor for the short time he was shown on screen as a 30/40-something.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Okay, regarding the MIB/William theory... I don't think it quite works because we saw Stubbs and his crew after Delores deviated from her loop and found William's and Logan's campsite. They decided to let her go with William temporarily and then sent that marshal guy to go retrieve her (William stopped him, however). And we've seen Stubbs allowing the MIB to do whatever he wants in Westworld because of how rich and powerful he is. So the only way that William and the MIB could be the same guy is if Stubbs is a robot.

 

[Kaleb]

Okay, regarding the MIB/William theory... I don't think it quite works because we saw Stubbs and his crew after Delores deviated from her loop and found William's and Logan's campsite. They decided to let her go with William temporarily and then sent that marshal guy to go retrieve her (William stopped him, however). And we've seen Stubbs allowing the MIB to do whatever he wants in Westworld because of how rich and powerful he is. So the only way that William and the MIB could be the same guy is if Stubbs is a robot.

They chose their words very carefully, imo Dolores went out on her own and is currently retracing her footsteps,after Bernard told her about the maze

 

[vanson]

I also have some problems with the MIB=Williams theory

1) Watch the first episode again.. the MIB is so utterly nasty towards dolores..he slaps her around and then presumably rapes her in the shed.
Thats so out of character for william at this point.. just seems far fetched..

2) At the end of episode 3 dolores kills the one host in the shed..when he´s towering over her, she has a flashback to the MIB from an earlier loop and then pulls the trigger..
After that she runs away and stumbles upon william and logan at the camp fire totally confused and exhausted..

how is that possible if either logan or william are the mib..

 

[squeekness]

I also have some problems with the MIB=Williams theory

1) Watch the first episode again.. the MIB is so utterly nasty towards dolores..he slaps her around and then presumably rapes her in the shed.
Thats so out of character for william at this point.. just seems far fetched..

2) At the end of episode 3 dolores kills the one host in the shed..when he´s towering over her, she has a flashback to the MIB from an earlier loop and then pulls the trigger..
After that she runs away and stumbles upon william and logan at the camp fire totally confused and exhausted..

how is that possible if either logan or william are the mib..

It's possible because of memory gaps and overlaps. But I am more inclined to believe the bad guy is Logan and he mistreats Delores to spite William even if he's dead at the later time. Just my thoughts.

 

[dark_b]

i am writting a long post explaining the theory. my english is bad. whats called the glass room where we see naked hosts?

 

[Kaleb]

I also have some problems with the MIB=Williams theory

1) Watch the first episode again.. the MIB is so utterly nasty towards dolores..he slaps her around and then presumably rapes her in the shed.
Thats so out of character for william at this point.. just seems far fetched..

2) At the end of episode 3 dolores kills the one host in the shed..when he´s towering over her, she has a flashback to the MIB from an earlier loop and then pulls the trigger..
After that she runs away and stumbles upon william and logan at the camp fire totally confused and exhausted..

how is that possible if either logan or william are the mib..

1.I don't think he rapes her, HBO would not have any issue showing that,they didnt show that scene for a reason.

2.That entire scene supposedly does not take place in the same timeline,so when Dolores escapes, it conveniently flashes back to the past to her first meeting with Logan and William

 

[Kaleb]

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