Bad Robot/Jonathan Nolan Bringing "Westworld" to HBO

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Spoiler

I see people are already talking about two timlines and MIB/William. i suspected something similar but after listening to Decoding Westworld i am 100% sure that Joanna Robinson is correct about everything.

-34 years ago (Arnold(Jeffrey Wright) is alive. before the westworld incident.)
-30 years ago (William-Logan story. First time Dolores leaves her loop)
-present (Anthony Hopkins, Bernard(Jeffrey Wright),Teddy, MIB(Ed Harris),Thandie Newton, Dolores leaves her loop the second time and retracer her footsteps)

Bernard is a robot. he looks like Arnold. the scnees with Bernard talking to Dolores is 34 years ago. Before he died and before the incident.And its Arnold(human) talking to Dolores. how to explain the scene where Bernard looks at the picture from Ford? the robot was programmed to not recognize himself.

maintenance room 34 years ago

maintenance room present

30 years ago after Arnold died the westword park was more violent for the guests(human). Logan gets punched and choked by the hosts. When William attacks Logan no hosts comes to help Logan. when MIB(Ed Harris) takes out a knifeTeddy(host) helps Ford because of the The Good Samaritan Reflex.
Nolan:
“Part of what the hosts have been designed to do, we have a feature in the program called The Good Samaritan Reflex or Function,” Wherever they can, the park is populated by hosts and part of their responsibility, part of their subconscious programming is to try to protect the guests in whatever capacity it can. So if you’ve got a drunken guest who’s careening towards a cliff edge, you’re more likely than not to have a host nearby who, without breaking that narrative, is going to find a way to gently steer them back. They’re cannon fodder on one hand, but they’re also the all-purpose minders of this place.”


-westworld opens
-something happens
-Arnold finds out that Dolores is special. he talks to her. he tells her about the maze
-Arnold dies.
-Ford can not handle the park
-William and Logan come to westworld.
-Dolores starts looking for the maze with William
-the incident happens. maybe Logan dies. the first human in the park.
-Dolores get reset.her memory wiped out.It destroys William
-William visits Westworld for 30 years.
-William is MIB in present day
-present day. what happened with Dolores 34 years ago happens to other hosts. they start remembering the previous years.
-Dolores starts remembering and agains leaves her loop and goes after the maze
-Anthony Hopkins talks to MIB about the maze. he knows its from Arnold
-Anhhony Hopkins talks to Dolores about he dreams and Arnold.

 

[The Shape]

I also have some problems with the MIB=Williams theory

1) Watch the first episode again.. the MIB is so utterly nasty towards dolores..he slaps her around and then presumably rapes her in the shed.
Thats so out of character for william at this point.. just seems far fetched..

After watching only the first episode, anyone would agree that the MiB had likely raped Dolores. However, having seen everything that followed, knowing that the MiB doesn't seem at all interested in the lesser games of titillation found in WW, knowing what he's really after...I feel very comfortable in saying that he did NOT rape Dolores and he likely dragged her into that barn for an entirely different reason.

2) At the end of episode 3 dolores kills the one host in the shed..when he´s towering over her, she has a flashback to the MIB from an earlier loop and then pulls the trigger..
After that she runs away and stumbles upon william and logan at the camp fire totally confused and exhausted..

Clever/misleading editing there.

Dolores' daily loop involves her being a "damsel in distress" after escaping an attack on her family's ranch. She would either be left at the mercy of the bandits, or rescued by a guest who could then either protect her or have his way with her.

I think what we saw in that sequence flipped back and forth between time periods. We see Dolores killing a bandit before escaping and straying from her "loop" (in present day) on her own, before switching to Dolores being "rescued" by William (in the past) -- which would mark the last time that she wound up straying from her loop in this fashion.

 

[Kaleb]

Spoiler

I see people are already talking about two timlines and MIB/William. i suspected something similar but after listening to Decoding Westworld i am 100% sure that Joanna Robinson is correct about everything.

-34 years ago (Arnold(Jeffrey Wright) is alive. before the westworld incident.)
-30 years ago (William-Logan story. First time Dolores leaves her loop)
-present (Anthony Hopkins, Bernard(Jeffrey Wright),Teddy, MIB(Ed Harris),Thandie Newton, Dolores leaves her loop the second time and retracer her footsteps)

Bernard is a robot. he looks like Arnold. the scnees with Bernard talking to Dolores is 34 years ago. Before he died and before the incident.And its Arnold(human) talking to Dolores. how to explain the scene where Bernard looks at the picture from Ford? the robot was programmed to not recognize himself.

maintenance room 34 years ago

maintenance room present

30 years ago after Arnold died the westword park was more violent for the guests(human). Logan gets punched and choked by the hosts. When William attacks Logan no hosts comes to help Logan. when MIB(Ed Harris) takes out a knifeTeddy(host) helps Ford because of the The Good Samaritan Reflex.
Nolan:
“Part of what the hosts have been designed to do, we have a feature in the program called The Good Samaritan Reflex or Function,” Wherever they can, the park is populated by hosts and part of their responsibility, part of their subconscious programming is to try to protect the guests in whatever capacity it can. So if you’ve got a drunken guest who’s careening towards a cliff edge, you’re more likely than not to have a host nearby who, without breaking that narrative, is going to find a way to gently steer them back. They’re cannon fodder on one hand, but they’re also the all-purpose minders of this place.”


-westworld opens
-something happens
-Arnold finds out that Dolores is special. he talks to her. he tells her about the maze
-Arnold dies.
-Ford can not handle the park
-William and Logan come to westworld.
-Dolores starts looking for the maze with William
-the incident happens. maybe Logan dies. the first human in the park.
-Dolores get reset.her memory wiped out.It destroys William
-William visits Westworld for 30 years.
-William is MIB in present day
-present day. what happened with Dolores 34 years ago happens to other hosts. they start remembering the previous years.
-Dolores starts remembering and agains leaves her loop and goes after the maze
-Anthony Hopkins talks to MIB about the maze. he knows its from Arnold
-Anhhony Hopkins talks to Dolores about he dreams and Arnold.

Agreed.

 

[Kaleb]

After watching only the first episode, anyone would agree that the MiB had likely raped Dolores. However, having seen everything that followed, knowing that the MiB doesn't seem at all interested in the lesser games of titillation found in WW, knowing what he's really after...I feel very comfortable in saying that he did NOT rape Dolores and he likely dragged her into that barn for an entirely different reason.



Clever/misleading editing there.

Dolores' daily loop involves her being a "damsel in distress" after escaping an attack on her family's ranch. She would either be left at the mercy of the bandits, or rescued by a guest who could then either protect her or have his way with her.

I think what we saw in that sequence flipped back and forth between time periods. We see Dolores killing a bandit before escaping and straying from her "loop" (in present day) on her own, before switching to Dolores being "rescued" by William (in the past) -- which would mark the last time that she wound up straying from her loop in this fashion.

yup, at one point the MIB says to Dolores in the barn ''why don't we start at the beginning''.

 

[vanson]

I feel very comfortable in saying that he did NOT rape Dolores and he likely dragged her into that barn for an entirely different reason.

the MIB says:"come-on beautiful.... god damn feels good to be back, lets celebrate"

I mean...its pretty clear imo...

In another scene in that episode he remarks how sweet she is but that he has no time that evening...

 

[harlequinade]

the MIB says:"come-on beautiful.... god damn feels good to be back, lets celebrate"

I mean...its pretty clear imo...

In another scene in that episode he remarks how sweet she is but that he has no time that evening...

I don't think he raped her. He later remarks to Kissy how he is there for more important reasons than shooting Indians and getting his rocks off

 

[Bruce Malone]

I don't think he raped her. He later remarks to Kissy how he is there for more important reasons than shooting Indians and getting his rocks off

After 30 years of doing a lot of that he probably is going to the park for other matters now.

In a weird sense it's sort of like creating pure carnage in a GTA game is fun but after a while you really do just want to do the actual missions.

 

[Kaleb]

Like I said before if there was a rape scene then HBO would not have any problem showing it,my guess is in the final episode we will see what really happened and find out whether Dolores was raped or not.

 

[LoganGambit87]

what an amazing episode this show just gets better and better

oh and this was awesome
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[rashad]

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Good lord this series is absolutely incredible.

 

[harlequinade]

I love how we have Maeve breaking through more physically and Dolores breaking through her mental barriers. I wonder if these will end up on the same side or want different things

 

[Kaleb]

My guess is we will see them on different sides.

 

[LoganGambit87]

OFFICIAL - Westworld Soundtrack - Paint It, Black - Ramin Djawadi
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OFFICIAL - Westworld Soundtrack - No Surprises - Ramin Djawadi
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OFFICIAL - Westworld Soundtrack - Black Hole Sun - Ramin Djawadi
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OFFICIAL - Westworld Soundtrack - A Forest - Ramin Djawadi
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[rashad]

Why You’ll Be Hearing a Lot of Radiohead on Westworld
By Jennifer Vineyard

Following each week’s episode of Westworld, show composer Ramin Djawadi will be Vulture's guide to the music.

Last week on HBO’s Westworld, we heard instrumental versions of “Black Hole Sun” and “Paint It Black” incorporated into the soundtrack. This week, it was Radiohead’s “No Surprises,” a band we’ll be hearing a lot more of on the show (especially from OK Computer), given that showrunner Jonathan Nolan is a fan. “When Jonathan says, ‘Do a Radiohead song,’ I say, ‘Great!’” show composer Ramin Djawadi (Game of Thrones) told Vulture. “This particular piece was pretty simple, actually. The opening arpeggiated riff from ‘No Surprises’ translates really well into piano.”

For episode two, Djawadi was asked to do a Radiohead piano reduction for two scenes in which madam host Maeve (Thandie Newton) is having trouble with her settings. She tries her programmed spiel on one customer and blanks in the middle of it, distracted by a memory. After her aggression is bumped up, she tries it again on a separate customer and fails again. The song plays both times, “as part of the repetition of resetting her,” Djawadi said. Should we infer any meaning as to the selection of the song itself?

“The way I see it, it’s like a jukebox in a restaurant,” Djawadi said. “When you put money in it, it plays preprogrammed pieces. These particular pieces that the piano plays help you with the sense of time, the repeats. It just marks time, and it provides the recognition factor that this is a preprogrammed event.” Or as Newton put it at New York Comic Con, when “you suddenly realize, ‘That piece of music! I know what it is!’... you’ll pick it up and perhaps make connections.”

Fans going back to watch the original Westworld movie might make another connection — between that movie’s gunslinger theme music and the TV theme. “What I liked about the original so much was that the score had both elements,” Djawadi said. “Organic elements, with these really scratchy solo violins, and then also very synthetic sounds that were very popular in the 1970s, the analog synthesizers and stuff.” The movie used Fred Karlin’s experimental score sparingly, saving it for Yul Brynner’s most menacing moments (for instance). The TV show has more space to play with, so Djawadi anchored the doomy theme with bass notes, inspired by the movie, and added in lighter arpeggios and a melody "to support the theme park aspect,” he says. “We have more of a fun element to it.”

http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-radiohead-music.html

 

[elgaz]

http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/westworld-radiohead-music.html

Well, if ever there was a song to suit Westworld, it's Paranoid Android.

 

[harlequinade]

I just wanna hear Fake Plastic Trees, it's too perfect!

 

[I Am The Knight]

That "No Surprises" piano bit was so awesome.

 

[Kaleb]

I'm loving all of Djawadi scores from the show, I hope he also releases some of his original material,his closing theme for episode 5 is just beautiful.

 

[Kaleb]

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[vanson]

have you guys seen this ? the knife of the MIB changes over the different episodes..

http://imgur.com/r/westworld/AkhUt

sometimes I think "maybe this show is just made sloppy and we try to find things that arent there"

I remember when true detective was on, there where also some crazy theories but in the end it was just all to be taken at face value.

 

[elgaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y50nsmUVeVU

 

[harlequinade]

have you guys seen this ? the knife of the MIB changes over the different episodes..

http://imgur.com/r/westworld/AkhUt

sometimes I think "maybe this show is just made sloppy and we try to find things that arent there"

I remember when true detective was on, there where also some crazy theories but in the end it was just all to be taken at face value.

Damn I must be blind because I don't see any changes It's probably just some small production error, like Dolores hair being slightly different in the scene where she sees dead people in the town (episode 2 I think)

 

[Sithborg]

Another Yul Brynner call back.

Still up for debate on who will become the first murderbot.

 

[kvz5]

Thandie was brilliant tonight. Maeve!

 

[rashad]

Teddy went Rambo on those fools. Thandie was brilliant. Great scenes with Felix. Tessa Thompson is so beautiful. The callback to the original Westworld was great. The overall mystery is quite fascinating to watch unfold. I loved the new sections of the facility being explored and revealed.