The Dark Knight Rises Bane

[RustyCage]

If you include Bane . and have him in a wife beater and army pantss or something similar to that be fine, it's not about the look all the time more about how the character is written.

This is a Batman villain. Batman villains have iconic looks. The look is every bit as important as how well he's written for that reason alone. However, him having a mask or not has no effect on the writing quality, so your point about the narrative is utterly irrelevant.

Bane could be maskless at times, sure, like Scarecrow, but there's no reason to strip him of his visual identity. All of Nolan's Batvillains have looked their parts thus far.

Banes look iconic? Hardly, maybe for you and fans on this website but i would hardly call his look "Iconic".

World English Dictionary
iconic or iconical (aɪˈkɒnɪk) — adj
1. relating to, resembling, or having the character of an icon
2. (of memorial sculptures, esp those depicting athletes of ancient Greece) having a fixed conventional style

Not a difficult concept, Wolvy. The way he looks is iconic for his character in the Batman universe in the same way that Scarecrow's mask is for Scarecrow.

You might not find it to be personally appealing or whatever, but he has a signature iconic look, period.

 

[RustyCage]

Exactly

Then why bother manip'ing out the mustache and giving him Bane's haircut?

 

[TheLongestDay]

So you want a character that's not akin to the character in backstory or looks..............why bother using the character's name instead of creating a new one?

Oh boy,you're really stretching now.

Go back and read my previous comments - as long as the characters origin and motive remain what does it matter if they aren't the same nationality as their comic book counterpart?

Especially when it has no bearing on the character whatsoever?

A comic book movie, which is what some seem to forget these are around this sub-forum. And I swear to god if you try to bring up "realism"

Aaawww dont get mad. It could be argued that Nolans approach of "realism" is why we had a Batman film that won Oscars and is highly regarded not just as a "comic book movie".

You got rid of a mustache, added hair to his head and messed with the saturation of the pic. Honestly makes me think of Guile before Bane.

If Guile doesnt have his green fatigues,massive blonde brush hair and USA tattoos then hes not Guile atall though right???

 

[ChinoXL]

i mean if you have the right vision you can really change his look but make it right still..i don't mean necessarily this but he doesn't have to be ******ed looking either with the right vision

 

[TheLongestDay]

Then why bother manip'ing out the mustache and giving him Bane's haircut?

So that he resembles the character sans the more outlandish qualities that wouldnt work as well in a live action movie.

IF they use Bane and can think of a good reason story wise for him to wear that mask that still fits in the established universe then awesome.

 

[Majik1387]

Oh boy,you're really stretching now.

Not stretching at all, I'm working with what you're proposing.

Go back and read my previous comments - as long as the characters origin and motive remain what does it matter if they aren't the same nationality as their comic book counterpart?

It just happens to be on the checklist of things Bane that you're choosing to ignore for some reason.

Especially when it has no bearing on the character whatsoever?

Where he's from and how he grew up has no bearing on his character?

Aaawww dont get mad. It could be argued that Nolans approach of "realism" is why we had a Batman film that won Oscars and is highly regarded not just as a "comic book movie".

Except for the fact that none of it is due to this "realism" craze the fanatic fanboys have created in their minds.

If Guile doesnt have his green fatigues,massive blonde brush hair and USA tattoos then hes not Guile atall though right???

It's more Guile than it ever will be Bane.

 

[Majik1387]

So that he resembles the character sans the more outlandish qualities that wouldnt work as well in a live action movie.

A luchador mask wouldn't work in a movie with a burlap mask, a man wearing ugly clown make up and a man with a half mutilated face/skull?

IF they use Bane and can think of a good reason story wise for him to wear that mask that still fits in the established universe then awesome.

It's been working for some in the comics for 17 years so far

 

[TheLongestDay]

Not stretching at all, I'm working with what you're proposing.

Then you sir,have either speed read my comments - or just missed the point entirely.

It just happens to be on the checklist of things Bane that you're choosing to ignore for some reason.

I just dont happen to find his mask all that important. It doesnt define the character for me and I would say Im a pretty big fan of Bane.

Where he's from and how he grew up has no bearing on his character?

Stretching again I see....I JUST explained its HOW he grew up not WHERE,if you are going to debate with me please read my entire post next time.

BTW did it matter to you that Ras wasnt Arabic?

It's more Guile than it ever will be Bane.

In your opinion...which quite honestly I dont hold in high regard.

 

[Majik1387]

Then you sir,have either speed read my comments - or just missed the point entirely.

Not really.
You want Bane to look like Rambo, no mask, no venom tubes only fatigues, don't care about his ethnicity, and you think writing will make up for all of it instead of working with it.
What did I miss?

I just dont happen to find his mask all that important. It doesnt define the character for me and I would say Im a pretty big fan of Bane.

It defines the look of Bane. This is reminiscent of when people were so adamant of Joker wearing no purple in TDK because it wouldn't be realistic in Nolan's Bat-movies. Sure, purple is adaptable to screen, but it's part of Joker's iconic look; to not use it would have been stupid because it doesn't take away anything from the character.

Stretching again I see....I JUST explained it HOW he grew up not WHERE,if you are going to debate with me please read my entire post next time.

I read the entire post and you can't just choose HOW over WHERE, because it's not only about HOW you grew up, it's also about WHERE you are that responded to HOW you grew up. That plus time is what builds character.

BTW did it matter to you that Ras wasnt Arabic?

Honestly, yea it pissed me off a bit, especially considering it's still debatable on these boards if Ra's was even a real person instead of just a title passed down(like Watanabe's Ra's was to Neeson's Ra's)

In your opinion...which quite honestly I dont hold in high regard.

Your problem, not mine.

 

[RustyCage]

Honestly, yea it pissed me off a bit, especially considering it's still debatable on these boards if Ra's was even a real person instead of just a title passed down(like Watanabe's Ra's was to Neeson's Ra's).

Was that established? Considering Ra's is known to use decoys, I figured Ken Watanabe to be a decoy, while Ducard was the real Ra's.

I guess either is possible.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Not really.
You want Bane to look like Rambo, no mask, no venom tubes only fatigues, don't care about his ethnicity, and you think writing will make up for all of it instead of working with it.
What did I miss?

My point. And I notice you are twisting my words to try and prove your "point".

It defines the look of Bane. This is reminiscent of when people were so adamant of Joker wearing no purple in TDK because it wouldn't be realistic in Nolan's Bat-movies. Sure, purple is adaptable to screen, but it's part of Joker's iconic look; to not use it would have been stupid because it doesn't take away anything from the character.

I also said IF they can make it work - great. I was just proposing a way of making it work without,as his mask isnt terribly important to me.

I read the entire post and you can't just choose HOW over WHERE, because it's not only about HOW you grew up, it's also about WHERE you are that responded to HOW you grew up. That plus time is what builds character.

So it matters where the tiny random prison Bane grows up in is geographically? Why? As long as he grows up in a prison why does it matter what part of the world its in?

They could get away with NEVER telling us....and Id probably prefer it to be honest

Honestly, yea it pissed me off a bit

I didnt even notice,I was too busy enjoying THE MOVIE and Neesons acting. I thought he was great in the role.

Your problem, not mine.

Oh its not a problem,believe me t:

 

[Majik1387]

Was that established? Considering Ra's is known to use decoys, I figured Ken Watanabe to be a decoy, while Ducard was the real Ra's.

I guess either is possible.

I've read posts that still believe it as a title, instead of a person. I'm sure it's open to interpretation, but sometimes(most of the time) posters here make things more difficult than they should be.

My point. And I notice you are twisting my words to try and prove your "point".

First, I'm not twisitng your words around, I'm repeating what you've posted. Second, what exactly is your point that I've "apparently" missed?

I also said IF they can make it work - great. I was just proposing a way of making it work without,as his mask isnt terribly important to me.

To you it's not, to the most of his fans, it is.

So it matters where the tiny random prison Bane grows up in is geographically? Why? As long as he grows up in a prison why does it matter what part of the world its in?

Yea, because every part of the world has the same kind of culture and way of doing things.........waitaminute

They could get away with NEVER telling us....and Id probably prefer it to be honest

The same way they can get away with never telling us why he wears the mask.

I didnt even notice,I was too busy enjoying THE MOVIE and Neesons acting. I thought he was great in the role.

I enjoyed the movie just fine, Neeson's casting as Ra's was a small qualm of BB to me; it had other more prominent flaws. Neeson pretty much had the look save for a tan.

Oh its not a problem,believe me t:

Yet you reply to it.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Yea, because every part of the world has the same kind of culture and way of doing things.........waitaminute

Which part of the world do they make kids serve their fathers prison sentence from birth?

The same way they can get away with never telling us why he wears the mask.

Ummmmm no.

They explained why Joker wore makeup. They explained why Scarecrow wore a mask. They explained/showed how Two-Face became disfigured.

Yet some guy shows up with a mask obscuring his whole face for no reason....ummmm yeah.....

Yet you reply to it.

Yes,but its certainly not a problem.t:

 

[Majik1387]

Which part of the world do they make kids serve their fathers prison sentence from birth?

Apparently on an island prison in the Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca

Ummmmm no.

They explained why Joker wore makeup.

Where? All he kept referring to in different origins was his chelsea grin

They explained why Scarecrow wore a mask. They explained/showed how Two-Face became disfigured.

Yet some guy shows up with a mask obscuring his whole face for no reason....ummmm yeah.....

Hiding his identity isn't enough of a reason?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Just finished watching Bronson after reading about the hype here, I gotta say I can see why a lot of people think of Hugo Strange, Bane and/or Killer Croc for the next Batman film. The cover compared Bronson with A Clockwork Orange, and while I agree that it was as macabre (if not more), I'm still adamant about Tom Hardy being a great Hush. Of course, he could play any one of the other characters with just as much dramatization. Very powerful actor, this one.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Apparently on an island prison in the Caribbean Republic of Santa Prisca

They have many Luchadores in the Caribbean? Wouldnt it be more likely he would do Ju-jitsu?

Where? All he kept referring to in different origins was his chelsea grin

Watch the movie again dude.

Clown Thug 1:

I heard he wears make up

Clown Thug 2:

Make up?

Clown Thug 1:

Yeah you know? Warpaint,to scare people.

(something along those lines I believe....)

Hiding his identity isn't enough of a reason?

Why would he hide his identity?? LOL

Hes only ever known as BANE!

 

[Majik1387]

They have many Luchadores in the Caribbean? Wouldnt it be more likely he would do Ju-jitsu?

I'm sur he wouldn't be against using that either.

Watch the movie again dude.
Clown Thug 1:
I heard he wears make up
Clown Thug 2:
Make up?
Clown Thug 1:
Yeah you know? Warpaint,to scare people.
(something along those lines I believe....)

And you think I'm reaching with responses?

Why would he hide his identity?? LOL
Hes only ever known as BANE!

Would be kind of odd to hide that Guile haircut in public after facing off with Batman and the cops; it's a dead giveaway.

 

[TheLongestDay]

I'm sur he wouldn't be against using that either.

Does that mean he would need a mask?

And you think I'm reaching with responses?

UUmmmm but that actually takes place in the movie...and at the beginning,preparing the audience to accept the character.

I believe you said you couldn't recall ANY explanation of the face paints.

Would be kind of odd to hide that Guile haircut in public after facing off with Batman and the cops; it's a dead giveaway.

All the cops knew what the Joker looked like too - didnt help them catch him.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Okay not that this is any more relevant but....

Tom Hardy in Bronson was very much what Bane is (the self-titled 'king' in prison), would he want to take up a role that's so strikingly similar to something he's done before? If Hardy really is the artistic dramatist as his reputation says, he would stay away from similar roles. Just my theory.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Okay not that this is any more relevant but....

Tom Hardy in Bronson was very much what Bane is (the self-titled 'king' in prison), would he want to take up a role that's so strikingly similar to something he's done before? If Hardy really is the artistic dramatist as his reputation says, he would stay away from similar roles. Just my theory.

You're probably right. But its fun to speculate

 

[MechaOrga]

i am not opposed to Bane at all... would definitely work in a Nolan or nolan esque batman film...(doesn't HAVE to be of spanish origins either)

My silly but true thinking for why Bane will NOT be in TDKR is that Nolan's Male villains (even in his non Bat films) are ALWAYS wearing business suits of sorts. I guess it translates to "Corporate evil" business on some sub level or success=evil...just an auteur flourish...

but i see Hugo strange/Black Mask being the male villain (s)" more so than Bane.

Hardy could play anybody with his acting skills, looks, and charm...

 

[TheLongestDay]

i am not opposed to Bane at all... would definitely work in a Nolan or nolan esque batman film...(doesn't HAVE to be of spanish origins either)

My silly but true thinking for why Bane will NOT be in TDKR is that Nolan's Male villains (even in his non Bat films) are ALWAYS wearing business suits of sorts. I guess it translates to "Corporate evil" business on some sub level or success=evil...just an auteur flourish...

but i see Hugo strange/Black Mask being the male villain (s)" more so than Bane.

Hardy could play anybody with his acting skills, looks, and charm...

I concur.

Personally I want him for Catwoman

 

[Majik1387]

Does that mean he would need a mask?

Yes. He needs a mask

UUmmmm but that actually takes place in the movie...and at the beginning,preparing the audience to accept the character.

More like introduce the character, but whatever floats your boat.

I believe you said you couldn't recall ANY explanation of the face paints.

Because throw away lines tend to be thrown away once they're heard; Especially if they don't have plot related substance.

All the cops knew what the Joker looked like too - didnt help them catch him.

They knew what Joker looked like as Joker in make up, not out of make up which is why he blended easily with the cops.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Yes. He needs a mask

Because you say so? Right I get it. Good reasoning.

More like introduce the character, but whatever floats your boat.

Isnt that the same thing?

Because throw away lines tend to be thrown away once they're heard; Especially if they don't have plot related substance.

Some of the first lines of the movie...throw away huh?

I tend to pay attention.

They knew what Joker looked like as Joker in make up, not out of make up which is why he blended easily with the cops.

Surrounded by his goons dressed as Cops.

 

[Majik1387]

Because you say so? Right I get it. Good reasoning.

It's as good a reasoning as you not finding the mask important.

Isnt that the same thing?

No.

Some of the first lines of the movie...throw away huh?

Wouldn't be the first time for a movie of any kind to have throwaway first lines.

I tend to pay attention.

Sorry I'm not a TDK-fanatic. It was good for a one time full watch, too long and drawn out for repeated viewings for my taste. Sometimes I'll catch it on tv every so often, but Nolan's Batman movie's while good, aren't that great to me.

Surrounded by his goons dressed as Cops.

His goons didn't make up the entire police force.