The Dark Knight Rises Bane

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^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.
It doesn't have to make sense to us, director and actors would have their reasons for casting/taking a role blind to what it is, not quite sure whats wrong with doing so.
 

Nolan has flat out said no Joker

"No," he said when asked if he'd revisit the character, played famously by the late Heath Ledger in Nolan's "Batman" films. Asked to elaborate on his reasons, Nolan refused: "I just don't feel comfortable about it."
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/06/04/christopher-nolan-superman-joker-batman-3/

"No," Jonathan Nolan tells Empire Magazine when asked if the Joker will appear in Nolan's third "Batman" movie.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45362

"For me, Heath [Ledger] was the definitive Joker," Nolan said. "It wouldn't feel appropriate to readdress that character."
http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/07/12/nolan_no_joker_riddler


You can feel free to have a prediction, but it's clearly been stated by both Nolan's that there will be no Joker in TDKR
Man, the next actor to play the Joker in a future franchise will have so much pressure on him. Not only was Ledger's performance amazing, but he died with the role. I don't think anyone can beat that.
 
I do. While his performance was note worthy, I didn't find it so amazing that no one else can do it just as good if not better.
 
^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.

To each their own. Annoyance is an individual's perception.
My annoyance lies with people beating a dead horse.

You are right that it doesn't make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view.

Personally, I believe Hardy knows who he is playing and I believe Nolan and Hardy made the agreement that Hardy should say nothing or pretend he doesn't know who he is playing yet... but I certainly wouldn't rule out Hardy signing on - not knowing - due to the success of the first two Nolan movies.

At the end of the day, we all get a little annoyed with someone else's thoughts, beliefs or logic. I don't take it personally.

I just wish we had some new tidbit of info re: Hardy or another actor or actress signed on... then the topic of discussion could move forward.
 
I do. While his performance was note worthy, I didn't find it so amazing that no one else can do it just as good if not better.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I would never say anything as stupid as that. I'm just saying, Ledger not only put in a great performance, but his death made it legendary, so the next actor will have a lot of pressure put on him.
 
Looking over all the speculation, I thought I would throw mine in. How about Hardy playing a very young Ras Al Ghul after spending time in a Lazarus Pit after the events of Batman Begins.
 
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Man, the next actor to play the Joker in a future franchise will have so much pressure on him. Not only was Ledger's performance amazing, but he died with the role. I don't think anyone can beat that.
As long as its a different interpretation and sufficient time has passed the next actor will be fine.
 
I'll admit - I haven't seen much of Hardy's work, but I was very impressed with him in Inception and I'm looking forward to finding out what his role is in TDKR. Personally, I'm hoping that he'll be Hugo Strange, but I'm open to other possibilities. Whether it's an already-established character from the Batman universe or a character created just for the film, there's a number of characters that Hardy could do well in.

Looking over all the speculation, I thought I would throw mine in. How about Hardy playing a very young Ras Al Ghul after spending time in a Lazarus Pit after the events of Batman Begins.

Interesting theory, but considering the heightened reality of the Nolan Batman films, I don't think a resurrection is likely. I mean no offense and it's a creative idea, but I just don't think anything like that would happen.
 
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^This is the kind of fanboying thats really really annoying.

The point is it doesnt make sense from both the actor's and director's point of view to get cast without knowing the character. There's no reason the actor shouldnt know, and there's no reason the director wouldnt tell him.


I think that's a bit strong really...

It all comes down to whether or not you believe that Tom Hardy is lying in the interview. None of us are in a position to judge whether or not he's telling the truth, so there's no need to get aggressive over this.


The way I see it, there's no reason not to believe him. Regarding these films (Nolan's batman films) - we've experienced secrecy in the past, but never outright lying. What we don't know, we tend to just not know - rather than be left labouring under a delusion. As has been stated before, actors REGULARLY accept a role in a film without reading the script or having a clue what their full commitment is (beside months required/rough pay decisions) - ESPECIALLY if the film concerned is a large franchise that is already well established. I remember reading that Chow Yun Fat had no idea what role he'd have in Pirates of the Caribbean, and I know for a fact that Naomie Harris was in the same position because she told me so herself.

Remember as well that he's just worked with Nolan on the biggest original film (ignoring Avatar) since the Matrix. If the director says; "I want you for Batman 3, shooting around about this time, are you in?" - I think I'd hurry to sign on the dotted line, wouldn't you?

Remember none of the other actors have received their scripts yet either. This is all standard practice.



HOWEVER. If he truly has no idea who he's going to play, I'm going to suggest, based on that knowledge, that he's not playing a major villain. If he genuinely has no idea what role he's playing - it's surely more likely to be a minor character - like a 'Harvey Bullock'/'Rachel Dawes' level character. Remember that Nolan approached Heath Ledger in specific conversation about the Joker. I think major roles like a significant villain would require more information being given to the actor for the sake of deciding if they're a good fit for the part/if they have ideas they can bring to the table.

Perhaps he really is just playing a small supporting role. This could be why big casting announcements are taking longer to come to us??

I think some people are finding it difficult to believe that Hardy doesn't know what role he's playing because they have spent the last few weeks believing he'll play a big villain role - and can't fit the two ideas together.






Again, mostly speculation.

After all, he could be lying. I just don't see why he would. Chris Evans didn't bother lying when it came to Captain America, nor have any other actor I've ever known to be in the process of casting gossip.
 
I wanna see what aspiring actors here would turn down a shot at being in a Nolan movie; hell, let's include Spielberg or Fincher movies too.

You'd know it was a decent sized role at least but you won't be able to know what it is.
Why would you pass up that amazing opportunity at all? You wouldn't.
 
"I'm Christopher Nolan, and I want you in the sequel to the third-highest-grossing movie of all time. It's a decent-sized role, pays six figures, and will open more doors for you in the future. But you don't get to know what the role is yet."

"No thanks. I need to know what the role is before I take it."

:dry:
 
You guys are not getting the point. There's no reason why Nolan wouldnt tell what part he is offering. "hey Im Chris Nolan. Im offering you a part of a film. I wont tell you what you're playing because laa-dee-dah" :dry:
I think that's a bit strong really...

It all comes down to whether or not you believe that Tom Hardy is lying in the interview. None of us are in a position to judge whether or not he's telling the truth, so there's no need to get aggressive over this.
The comment was at the 'Anyone with a brain' comment. He's saying if you turn down a Nolan Batman movie, you're an idiot. You cant get more fanboy than that.
 
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It just seems weird to me that Nolan wouldn't tell an actor any of the basics before asking them to be in his movie. We know he didn't do that with Ledger. Maybe the fact that he told Hardy it was a 'substantial' role was enough for him. Still, would've been nice if he could've specified good-guy or bad-guy. Makes me think Hardy is a secondary villain...the main villain's actor will be a surprise to us come early 2011.
 
Hardy never said Nolan never told him, he said he's not really sure.

Michael Caine still refers to his character as "the butler" and on his website says that he played "Albert" in Batman Begins. Nolan could have said (for example) "Do you want to play Sgt. Max Cort in my loose adaption of Batman: Prey" and Hardy would have said "Who?" and Nolan would have said "a badass cop who becomes a vigilante due to manipulation by an evil doctor" and Hardy might have said "sure thing".

I do believe that no one has read the script, seems pointless for Hardy to know that much about who he's playing without even having a script to start planning for the role. It's not his first time working with Nolan, and I'm sure they managed to build some kind of relationship and trust where it's conceivable that Hardy would sign on just because Nolan wants him.

Hell, it could be something as simple as:
Hardy: "Do you have a role for me in Batman by any chance?".
Nolan: "Actually I do, you can have it if you want".
Hardy: "Sure thing".

I wouldn't expect someone like Weisz, Hathaway, Portman etc. or any of the rumoured actresses to sign on without seeing a script - but lets face it, Hardy's still a nobody in the grand scheme of things and getting his mug in a Batman film can only have benefits for him. He's not in a position where he's getting offered the types of movies where he can be picky about Chris Nolan offering him a guaranteed hit. Mad Max doesn't count, because it hasn't actually happened yet.
 
You guys are not getting the point. There's no reason why Nolan wouldnt tell what part he is offering. "hey Im Chris Nolan. Im offering you a part of a film. I wont tell you what you're playing because laa-dee-dah" :dry:The comment was at the 'Anyone with a brain' comment. He's saying if you turn down a Nolan Batman movie, you're an idiot. You cant get more fanboy than that.

Perhaps we should all run our vocabulary and opinions through you... first? Apparently, you feel the need to label me - after my reply.

I've never been labeled "fanboy" before... but that's not really the worst name that someone can be called. Most of my replies are just sarcastic and are not to be taken so seriously.

I thought this was a fun place for people to share their opinions. A few people really take away the fun by being so serious via rude or snide comments/labels.

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If Hardy isn't conversant in the Bat-universe, maybe he only knows the very basics of his character but hasn't started really developing him yet--hence he can be somewhat evasive with his 'I'm not sure' response.
 
Maybe he'll be the new D.A., since Gotham is currently without one as well as an assistant.
 
Whatever happened to being coy? I know what Nolan says publicly, but I also know how he feels about the fleeting image of "movie magic" and conversely, it's why he doesn't usually do a whole lot of bonus material for his movies home releases, in particular when it comes to personal commentary on his process or behind the scenes stuff with his actors. So I don't think it's out of the question for him to be a little anal when it comes to releasing information.

Look, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but in my view, I hardly believe the fact that Nolan ended BB & TDK the way he did without some sort of idea where he would go next if he chose to do a sequel. I'm pretty sure he knew for a while the basic outline of where he wanted to go and I'm also willing to bet that he told Hardy exactly who he's playing. Now whether Tom is versed in said character or not is a whole other conversation.
 
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