Falcon and Winter Soldier Baron Z E M O - He's back for more vengeance?

[Albright]

Sam Rockwell owned every scene in IM2...I don’t care for the character but for the actor in the MCU

 

[Flash525]

Admittedly, I was in two minds about Zemo, but I actually think he's a likeable guy and what he did was, in a sense, an act of mourning. All he cared about was tearing the Avengers apart for what they allowed to happen to his family, and when you put his actions into perspective next to say, Wanda, who took an entire town hostage because she was also in mourning, suddenly, Zemo doesn't seem that bad of a guy.

He'll be an anti-hero from here-on out.

 

[First Avenger]

Hammer is a weak weapons dealer, he wouldn't add much to the team, Ghost is perfectly primed to be a member, and Thunderbolt is there.

Hammer's secret weapon is being Sam Rockwell, that basically works everywhere every time.

 

[Fosterson]

The dancing Zemo memes are now coming in thick and fast:

 

[Iceman]

Haha, needs Hammer and Star-Lord too.

 

[metaphysician]

Eh, Hammer was a weak weapons dealer, compared to *Tony Stark*. He's still produced decently potent super-scale weapons. I could easily see him outfitting a bunch of low-mid level supervillains with gear that mostly works.

 

[Fosterson]

Eh, Hammer was a weak weapons dealer, compared to *Tony Stark*. He's still produced decently potent super-scale weapons. I could easily see him outfitting a bunch of low-mid level supervillains with gear that mostly works.

He just needs to fix the Ex-Wife and he'll be good to go!

Seriously though, I hope that if they do bring Hammer back for Armor Wars, they have a scene where Rhodey suddenly gets blasted from nowhere and it turns out he was hit by the Ex-Wife and Justin finally got it to work!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Episode 3 does destroy the prediction I had for Zemo when the series started: that he would not align himself with the Avengers in the threat of an alien invasion. I now think he would align himself with the Avengers if he thought it would benefit him. In other words, if aligning himself with the Avengers meant keeping his collection of expensive cars, he would do that. And then he would celebrate his victory by dancing.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Admittedly, I was in two minds about Zemo, but I actually think he's a likeable guy and what he did was, in a sense, an act of mourning. All he cared about was tearing the Avengers apart for what they allowed to happen to his family, and when you put his actions into perspective next to say, Wanda, who took an entire town hostage because she was also in mourning, suddenly, Zemo doesn't seem that bad of a guy.

He'll be an anti-hero from here-on out.

I'm still hoping that he turns out to be one of the big baddies in this series, or at least betrays Falcon and Bucky at an inopportune moment for them. I really, really hated the dancing, the fashion talk, and the music history, *but*, if that's all just a ploy to get Sam & Bucky to let their guards down, then that is an entirely different story.

 

[metaphysician]

I would say, an important proviso for dealing with Zemo?

As long as he's talking, don't trust him. Its not that everything he says is a lie. Its that everything he says has a very intentional context. Even when he's not lying, he's still manipulating you. And at least IMO, he's the kind of ruthless manipulator where you *can't* rely on his own primary goals and beliefs as an anchor. Just because he believes in something doesn't mean he won't go against it for pragmatic reasons.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier's Daniel Brühl on the new side of Zemo and his surprise adversary

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: This feels like a very different kind of Helmut Zemo than we're used to seeing. You're cracking jokes. You're fist-bumping in the club. How did you craft this new iteration for the character?

DANIEL BRUHL: It's incredibly helpful for you not to think that it could become boring or redundant. It is very nice to be invited back to something because it also shows that you haven't been that bad in the first place. So, I was very thrilled to hear that. But even more so, after reading the scripts, I thought, "Oh! This is a whole new game." It gives me the opportunity to discover so much more [about the character] and to show different sides of Baron Zemo that, actually, I always had in mind knowing the comic books. In Civil War, as much as I enjoyed playing the part, I thought, "Give me that mask at least for a second, for one scene!" "What about Zemo's aristocratic background?" "Why is he called Baron?" That all was added here in the show, and it was so much fun to play around with it. And the sense of humor. I'm always a fan when this is part of the performance, no matter how serious the circumstances are.


Have you seen any of these memes of you just fist-bumping on the show?

It's so hysterical. [That moment] was improvised when I saw the crowd dancing, going loco. I felt the beat and was like, Zemo has been sitting in a dodgy German prison cell for years. So, he needs to let off some steam and show his moves. Let's go for it! I enjoyed so much the reaction of Anthony and Sebastian looking at me. Still, I was 100 percent sure that they would cut it out [of the show]. I was really surprised and happy that they kept it. It was a long dance. There's more to it, but they cut this little moment. I didn't know what was happening, but I then received all these messages from my friends cracking up. My friends who know me well know I'm an embarrassing, passionate dancer on the floor but it would be different moves. It would be the Spanish side of me kicking in and doing some matador, flamenco moves, going down on my knees. Highly embarrassing for my friends.

Zemo seems to transform into a different person when he's wearing the purple mask. He becomes more aggressive, more exacting. Did wearing that mask affect your approach to the character?

Yeah. That's the great thing about costume design. That always happens. You feel different when you wear this mask. Also, his whole style has changed, if you think of that fury coat — that Mackie wanted to have the second he saw it. That whole outfit helped me a lot to recreate and reinvent Zemo.

Zemo shooting Dr. Nagel hints that there's a bigger game he's playing here. Is there anything you can tease about what Zemo's ultimate endgame is?

No, no. I would never do that. Like Zemo, I just enjoy being opaque and secretive. So, I wouldn't answer that question. There will be interesting twists and turns and surprises, I can assure you. Keeping up that cinematic level until the very end really impressed me because it's like six movies. These action segments, when you look at them, don't look much different than in the movies. To create this is mind-boggling. I sincerely don't know how they do that. But as in the story, I would prefer not to say anything. I'm the master of spoilers.

 

[RockSP]

Admittedly, I was in two minds about Zemo, but I actually think he's a likeable guy and what he did was, in a sense, an act of mourning. All he cared about was tearing the Avengers apart for what they allowed to happen to his family, and when you put his actions into perspective next to say, Wanda, who took an entire town hostage because she was also in mourning, suddenly, Zemo doesn't seem that bad of a guy.

He'll be an anti-hero from here-on out.

Lol...what? Zemo murdered person after person. He's still very much a bad guy.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Can't say I was a fan of his depiction in Ep.3 as it wasn't at all what I was expecting. He had an emotional arc in CA:CW and you knew that even though he didn't have super powers he was still dangerous.

In this he seems like he's more of a mustache twirling XXX type to this point. I wanted to laugh at the club fist pumping, but I was just like really? They put in that in there?

 

[Schlosser85]

Lol...what? Zemo murdered person after person. He's still very much a bad guy.

Well, of the people he killed last episode, I think you could argue they were all bad guys, and everyone except the scientist was self-defense/defense of Sam and Bucky.

 

[Donner]

Well, of the people he killed last episode, I think you could argue they were all bad guys, and everyone except the scientist was self-defense/defense of Sam and Bucky.

I mean, he did blow up that UN meeting and killed numerous people including the King of Wakanda.

So yeah, Zemo is pretty bad. And I think we all know he's not done yet. He'll kill more people.

 

[Schlosser85]

I mean, he did blow up that UN meeting and killed numerous people including the King of Wakanda.

So yeah, Zemo is pretty bad.

I was replying to the discussion of whether he’s “still” a villain or they’ve tweaked him into an anti-hero.

 

[Donner]

I was replying to the discussion of whether he’s “still” a villain or they’ve tweaked him into an anti-hero.

Ah I see. I think they're setting him up to be sympathetic and then they'll hit us with the "oh yeah, he's still crazy and homicidal." Probably from trying to kill Sam or Bucky. Or both.

 

[RockSP]

Well, of the people he killed last episode, I think you could argue they were all bad guys, and everyone except the scientist was self-defense/defense of Sam and Bucky.

I wasn't talking about those guys. I'm talking about Civil War. In the quote I boldfaced from Flash525 he compares Zemo's actions due to grief in CW to Wanda's actions, as if Zemo comes out looking better lol.

 

[Flash525]

Lol...what? Zemo murdered person after person. He's still very much a bad guy.

Loki murdered people too. Is he still a villain?

So yeah, Zemo is pretty bad. And I think we all know he's not done yet. He'll kill more people.

I'm not ruling this out, but knowing how often villains are turned around in the MCU, I wouldn't be surprised if Zeno gets the antihero treatment.

• Winter Soldier
• Black Widow (before we knew her)
• Gamora
• Nebula (this was never the case in comics?)
• Ghost (she's not going to be a villain no more)
• Loki
• Wanda & Petro
  • These two started AoU as minor villains, and Wanda's mind games with Banner could've resulted in a lot of deaths
• Magneto
• Mystique

I wasn't talking about those guys. I'm talking about Civil War. In the quote I boldfaced from Flash525 he compares Zemo's actions due to grief in CW to Wanda's actions, as if Zemo comes out looking better lol.

Do you think it's totally out of the realms of possibility though?

 

[metaphysician]

Well, of the people he killed last episode, I think you could argue they were all bad guys, and everyone except the scientist was self-defense/defense of Sam and Bucky.

Certainly true, but he also wasn't exactly doing so out of some noble, redemptive motivation. A bad person killing bad people for justifiable reasons is still a bad person. It may not rack up any new moral demerits, but it doesn't exactly clear old ones.

( Not that good deeds done for good reasons clear old moral demerits *either*, because morality doesn't work that way. But deliberately trying to make up for past bad deeds is at least a good start before you receive the Teal'c speech. *ahem* )

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' Star Daniel Bruhl on Trusting Zemo: "No, Never"

 

[Arrow1987]

During the last episode Baron will escape Sam and Bucky and Baron will have plans of his own.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Whoa, just looked up Bruhl’s wiki. His full name is actually Daniel César Martin Brühl González Domingo.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Whoa, just looked up Bruhl’s wiki. His full name is actually Daniel César Martin Brühl González Domingo.

Yep. He's half Spanish and Half German.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yep. He's half Spanish and Half German.

He seems to have more Spanish names in there than German ones.

He should've used the name Daniel Domingo as an actor.