The Dark Knight Rises Batman´s new vehicle in TDKR

[miggizle85]

BTW I like the look of this Batwing so don't nobody start flaming me about "what do you have against Nolan?" "Why do you have to complain about everything?". Let's nip that crap in the butt right now (puns puns puns)

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm just saying that we should not discount the fact that the Batwing looks like the Tumbler.

I'm not discounting that either, though.

Seriously think about it. If I would have told you 3 months ago that TDKR would feature a Batwing would you think floating Tumbler, or would you think actual jet with "bat-like" features? I personally would guess the latter and I have a feeling that most people would too.

Actually, I was expecting something with a Tumbler aesthetic. I wasn't expecting a Tumbler / Lobster combination, but more of a Tumbler / Stealth Fighter combo, but yeah, I expected a Tumbler aesthetic.

I'm not saying it doesn't look like a Tumbler. I'm just saying it isn't a Tumbler - it is too big, too different. Similar design origin, not the same vehicle. That's the only point I'm making.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

What do you have against Nolan? Why do you have to complain about everything?

 

[miggizle85]

I'm not discounting that either, though.

Actually, I was expecting something with a Tumbler aesthetic. I wasn't expecting a Tumbler / Lobster combination, but more of a Tumbler / Stealth Fighter combo, but yeah, I expected a Tumbler aesthetic.

I'm not saying it doesn't look like a Tumbler. I'm just saying it isn't a Tumbler - it is too big, too different. Similar design origin, not the same vehicle. That's the only point I'm making.

Wow you must be nostradamus then. I expected a stealth asthetic but not a Tumlber-like looks, and fairly comporable size. I really expected a full on stealth jet - maybe with some Tumbler features, but definately a much bigger plane.

 

[miggizle85]

What do you have against Nolan? Why do you have to complain about everything

t:

As the great Jonathan Lowell Spencer once said "Flame on!"

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

As the great Psychotic Clown prince of Crime once said

"Lets put a Smile on that Face!"

 

[miggizle85]

As the great Psychotic Clown prince of Crime once said

"Lets put a Smile on that Face!"

nevuh hoid of em.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Wow you must be nostradamus then.

No... I just expect Batman's vehicles to look similar?

 

[miggizle85]

No... I just expect Batman's vehicles to look similar?

Ok I wasn't clear then. I expected a Jet that looked similar in design to that of Batman's Tumbler. I didn't expect an actual floating Tumbler (it's obviously not a floating Tumbler I'm just exaggerating on the fact that they look so similar - meaning the new Batwing very well could be emitted from the Tumbler if we didn't already know that it is bigger than it).

 

[TheBatman072]

Ok I wasn't clear then. I expected a Jet that looked similar in design to that of Batman's Tumbler. I didn't expect an actual floating Tumbler (it's obviously not a floating Tumbler I'm just exaggerating on the fact that they look so similar).

If it can fly, and it probably can, then it IS a jet that looks similar to the design of the Tumbler.

It ISN'T identical. It is similar.

 

[miggizle85]

If it can fly, and it probably can, then it IS a jet that looks similar to the design of the Tumbler.

It ISN'T identical. It is similar.

Well based on what we've seen it do so far, it can fly but I personally wouldn't call it jet (although I'm not 100% familiar with the technicalities involved there), but rather... a hover craft? A hover jet maybe? Not a jet-jet. Like a Raptor/f-14/Falcoln/Stealth Fighter jet.

 

[TheBatman072]

Well based on what we've seen it do so far, it can fly but I personally wouldn't call it jet (although I'm not 100% familiar with the technicalities involved there), but rather... a hover craft? A hover jet maybe? Not a jet-jet. Like a Raptor/f-14/Falcoln/Stealth Fighter jet.

Or a Harrier Jet.

 

[miggizle85]

Why am I making it so complicated? I'm sorry yall

Basically I expect Wings. Big ones. To me personally big wings and high altitude flying = a jet, and that is what I expected when I heard "Batwing". This looks more like a hovercraft/hoverjet sort of thing. And what I meant by it looks like a Tumbler is that the Tumbler could form into this hoverjet Batwing, and could not into the full on Jet-Jet Batwing that I, and I'm pretty sure most others expected before we saw the pics of what Nolan went with.

Uhhhh... my head hurts now.

 

[miggizle85]

Or a Harrier Jet.

No cuz even a HArrier jet is bigger than this and has far bigger wings as well. And we know a Harrier is capable of high altitude flying at high speeds, and this Batwing (as we've seen it so far) would not be capable of it. Although it is possible that perhaps the wings expand, but that prawn undercaraige seems awfully heavy and not aero-dynamic. Looks like (to me at least) the prawn undercarraige is better suited for stablizing the Batwing in low-altitude hover flight.

 

[craigdbfan]

This is the thing.

Lets think for a second. Would Bats take the risk to ride in a sort of slow hovercraft over Gotham when he's wanted by the police and being hunted down by the likes of Bane and Talia?

What I think is far more likely is that the shots with this replica we've seen are for some shots where Batman is maneuvering himself closer to ground and the scenes with high altitude will be filmed in studio followed by CGI work from ILM/______ vfx company.

Batman wouldn't risk it such a slow vehicle when he has shown many times before that he likes his means of transportation to be very speedy (Tumbler, Batpod, Lambo, civilian sports motorcycle).

No cuz even a HArrier jet is bigger than this and has far bigger wings as well. And we know a Harrier is capable of high altitude flying at high speeds, and this Batwing (as we've seen it so far) would not be capable of it. Although it is possible that perhaps the wings expand, but that prawn undercaraige seems awfully heavy and not aero-dynamic. Looks like (to me at least) the prawn undercarraige is better suited for stablizing the Batwing in low-altitude hover flight.

I think he's just referring to a harriers capability to technically hover thanks to the design of it's propulsion.

 

[miggizle85]

Uh oh. New page and my comment at the top. Better clarify before the flame war starts. I am not complaining about the look. I like it. I love it. I think it looks ****. We're simply discussing the possibility that the Batwing emits itself from the Tumbler (the way the Batpod did).

I think it is too big to be possible, but also think it is rather curious that this Batwing looks so much like a floating Tumbler rather than a BatJet (which is what I expected when I first hear Batwing).

 

[TheBatman072]

This is the thing.

Lets think for a second. Would Bats take the risk to ride in a sort of slow hovercraft over Gotham when he's wanted by the police and being hunted down by the likes of Bane and Talia?

What I think is far more likely is that the shots with this replica we've seen are for some shots where Batman is maneuvering himself closer to ground and the scenes with high altitude will be filmed in studio followed by CGI work from ILM/______ vfx company.

Batman wouldn't risk it such a slow vehicle when he has shown many times before that he likes his means of transportation to be very speedy (Tumbler, Batpod, Lambo, civilian sports motorcycle).



I think he's just referring to a harriers capability to technically hover thanks to the design of it's propulsion.

Yep. Most hovercrafts are very slow going. I agree.

Harrier jets are capable of high fast flying and hovering.

That's probably what it is.

 

[KalMart]

Still there would be no reason why WaynTech would have to use the same aesthetic and technology. Why not just design a plane from scratch? It's not like they lack resources. I still think the Batwing is too big and complicated to come form the Tumbler. That said it is curious that Nolan had a blank canvas to design anything he wanted and yet he went with a floating Tumbler with obvious modifications and apparent size growth (based on what we've seen).

When you look at the Tumbler, there is some precedent for that 'aesthetic'...mainly, a combination of military armored vehicles and stealth technology that we see in our own real world. So I don't see it as specifically making it look like the Tumbler, but making it look like it was built by the same people/organization based on an overall military/stealth approach. It's as if Wayne Industries' Military equipment division is a boutique 'Skunkworks' sort of setup.

So yes, they had a 'blank canvas', but still kept it within the overall line of reasoning and design approach. It would have looked more out of place in these films if he suddenly built a more comic-like Batplane like in Batman '89 or what have you....which, in its own right, looked like it came fro the same 'creators' as that version of the Batmobile too. This version has more faceted/wedge-shaped approach altogether.

 

[miggizle85]

This is the thing.

Lets think for a second. Would Bats take the risk to ride in a sort of slow hovercraft over Gotham when he's wanted by the police and being hunted down by the likes of Bane and Talia?

What I think is far more likely is that the shots with this replica we've seen are for some shots where Batman is maneuvering himself closer to ground and the scenes with high altitude will be filmed in studio followed by CGI work from ILM/______ vfx company.

So if I understand your theory correctly: you beleive what we're seeing isn't the finished product but rather a small core of a bigger jet-like aircraft which is in fact capable of high altitude, high speed flight? And that this one being filmed is being used for close-up shots, and later (expanded) shots of the aircraft will be done in post via CGI?

That's interesting and also a valid possibility. However those tight turns around those buildings would make wings rather impossible no? Also we've seen Batman chasing Selina on a stretch of highway, but instead of taking advantage of the theorized jet-like flight capabilities he's seen hovering over that same stretch of highway, never deviating from the path (at a rather slow speed to be honest). Leading me to beleive that: the new Batwing only has hover flight capabilities; Batman doesn't want to reveal the jet-like features yet; they simply weren't necessary in order to catch Selina on the Batpod; or what we saw wasn't a chase scene at all but rather two on set props being transported to a new location

Hmmm.....

 

[KalMart]

Fair enough. I'm not arguing either way buddy. I'm just saying that we should not discount the fact that the Batwing looks like the Tumbler. Seriously think about it. If I would have told you 3 months ago that TDKR would feature a Batwing would you think floating Tumbler, or would you think actual jet with "bat-like" features? I personally would guess the latter and I have a feeling that most people would too.

From the start, even years back, whenever discussions of a possible Batplane came up, I immediately thought of this....

...which, for all intents and purposes, looks like it's from the same 'gene pool' as the Tumbler...the faceted stealth design, wedge-like shape, etc.. I would not have predicted a plane that looks 'like a bat' as with the previous Batman films because this one has a different overall design approach. So the fact that this new flying vehicle bears similar design hallmarks to the Tumbler should be of no surprise.

 

[miggizle85]

When you look at the Tumbler, there is some precedent for that 'aesthetic'...mainly, a combination of military armored vehicles and stealth technology that we see in our own real world. So I don't see it as specifically making it look like the Tumbler, but making it look like it was built by the same people/organization based on an overall military/stealth approach. It's as if Wayne Industries' Military equipment division is a boutique 'Skunkworks' sort of setup.

So yes, they had a 'blank canvas', but still kept it within the overall line of reasoning and design approach. It would have looked more out of place in these films if he suddenly built a more comic-like Batplane like in Batman '89 or what have you....which, in its own right, looked like it came fro the same 'creators' as that version of the Batmobile too. This version has more faceted/wedge-shaped approach altogether.

I explained this already. I expected a Big Plane with Big Wings that looked similar to the Tumbler, but what we've seen so far is the Tumbler floating with no WIngs. Which leads my ever-churning mind to beleive that maybe their is more to that than just "Batman's vehicles looking alike"

However I still beleive that it is too big to be the actual Tumbler turned Batwing (ala TDK's Batpod). I'm just saying if it turns out in the movie that it is Tumbler turned Batwin, it would explain why Nolan chose the Batwing Hoverjet over a Batwing Jet-Jet (meaing big ass wings, high altitude flight, supersonic speed jet)

 

[craigdbfan]

So if I understand your theory correctly: you beleive what we're seeing isn't the finished product but rather a small core of a bigger jet-like aircraft which is in fact capable of high altitude, high speed flight? And that this one being filmed is being used for close-up shots, and later (expanded) shots of the aircraft will be done in post via CGI?

That's interesting and also a valid possibility. However those tight turns around those buildings would make wings rather impossible no? Also we've seen Batman chasing Selina on a stretch of highway, but instead of taking advantage of the theorized jet-like flight capabilities he's seen hovering over that same stretch of highway, never deviating from the path (at a rather slow speed to be honest). Leading me to beleive that: the new Batwing only has hover flight capabilities; Batman doesn't want to reveal the jet-like features yet; they simply weren't necessary in order to catch Selina on the Batpod; or what we saw wasn't a chase scene at all but rather two on set props being transported to a new location

Hmmm.....

I'm not saying that it's part of a bigger aircraft...

I'm saying that the model replica of the jet we've been watching is in fact the Batwing, but all the high altitude shots will be filmed in studio and then composited after the fact in post.

That make sense? All I'm trying to say essentially is that the craft we've seen will be capable of both like a harrier for example. We aren't saying it'll use the same technology but that it'll work in a similar fashion.

Yep. Most hovercrafts are very slow going. I agree.

Harrier jets are capable of high fast flying and hovering.

That's probably what it is.

I think so too.

 

[ThePhantasm]

"Nice lobster-plane."

"You should see my other one."

 

[dark_b]

This is the thing.

Lets think for a second. Would Bats take the risk to ride in a sort of slow hovercraft over Gotham when he's wanted by the police and being hunted down by the likes of Bane and Talia?

What I think is far more likely is that the shots with this replica we've seen are for some shots where Batman is maneuvering himself closer to ground and the scenes with high altitude will be filmed in studio followed by CGI work from ILM/______ vfx company.

Batman wouldn't risk it such a slow vehicle when he has shown many times before that he likes his means of transportation to be very speedy (Tumbler, Batpod, Lambo, civilian sports motorcycle).



I think he's just referring to a harriers capability to technically hover thanks to the design of it's propulsion.

this post is FACT.

i am disgusted that some humans on this forum were expecting a prop hovercraft flying fast and high above the building of Pits. what the f... is this?
so lets make this very simple. the chase scene will be longer and more epic. for ground flying they used a real Btwing on a f. car. the Imax camera is filming the the close up with batman in frame. for wide shots they will use a CGI vehicle.

so again...............it will not only hover above the ground. they are only filming the parts when its on the ground chasing the big bomb truck FOR REAL. with a real vehicle. all the other shots it will be CGI. thank you and god night.

he has a f... jet behind the batwing. for what? to make big noises? this vehicle in the context of the movie can fly very fast in the air. but for hovering and street flying the vehicle doesnt use the jet. its using the front to go left and right. Batman will nto destroy the big truck from the air with a rocket. this is Gotham. he can not risk killing someone. so he is going low to destroy it on the street.

 

[miggizle85]

From the start, even years back, whenever discussions of a possible Batplane came up, I immediately thought of this....

...which, for all intents and purposes, looks like it's from the same 'gene pool' as the Tumbler...the faceted stealth design, wedge-like shape, etc.. I would not have predicted a plane that looks 'like a bat' as with the previous Batman films because this one has a different overall design approach. So the fact that this new flying vehicle bears similar design hallmarks to the Tumbler should be of no surprise.

Take a look at that Batwing again and tell it me that it doesn't look more like a floating Tumbler than this. Seriously if we took a "vehicle-look spectrum" if you will, and we put the Tumbler on one side, and this F-117 Nighthalk Stealth Fighter on the other end, and we were asked to place the new Batwing (from the footage and images we've seen so far) on that spectrum. My guess is that it would be way on the Tumbler side and nowhere even near the middle.

At least that's just my take. The lack of wings and tail, throws the F-117 Nighthawk comparison out the window for me. Not to mention that the Batwing has more flaps/loose panels and much discussed prawn undercarraige.