Batman and......... Doc Savage???

[Caped Crusader]

There were a lot of posts made by people trying to turn this into a secret lounge, where they had absolutely no idea who Doc Savage was and couldn't have cared less about him...and when some people tried to explain him and his significance to the comic and superhero world....we got more of the same crap that got the Batousi Lounge closed (which just makes it that much longer before another one will be allowed....way to go guys, good job).

Actually.. No but continue.

 

[C. Lee]

Clark "Doc" Savage Junior

Born November 12th 1901 on his parents yacht "Orion" off of the coast of Andros Island in the Bahamas during a terrible storm. His mother dies in childbirth.

His father, a doctor and adventurer, raises Clark to be a scholorly adventurer himself. He hires the best tutors in all areas of expertise to teach him, and he starts him as a child on a daily physical exercise program that puts him in superb shape.

When America joined in the fighting of World War One in 1917...Doc being so big (naturally being tall, and his size enhanced by his many years of physical training) he was able to pass as old enough and joined the Army. He became a pilot, and at one time was shot down and imprisoned in the German prison Camp LOKI. This is where he met the five men who would become his partners in adventure and crime fighting as they broke out of the prison camp together.

 

[Drz]

I bought the issue.

I loved it! The art was nicely drawn and the characters we're interesting. I liked how Bruce Wayne pretended to be drunk and tried to hit Doc Savage *just* so he could find out what arm Doc uses to defend himself... really brillaint writing and the action was nicely done. I really like this novice Batman who sadly sends the wrong message with using guns.

Also those of you who didnt even plan to get this comic and just wanna spam here, please don't bother.

 

[Cain]

The tone is correct I'm feeling that, a good start for this mini but not an issue that covered much ground yet. Loved the little spar between Doc and Bruce at the party.

 

[GlasgowBat]

The "why" is just basicly that this is an "Another World" story. It doesn't take place in our diminsion or continuity.

yes, i completely understand the "elseworld" concept, and enjoy the possibilities it provides from a story-telling perspective, but what i fail to grasp is the artisyic decision of a gun-wielding batman. is it a thematic decision? i won't be able to get my copy until sunday, so hopefully this will become clear then...........

"....but i've been wrong before"

 

[Figs]

I bought the issue.

I loved it! The art was nicely drawn and the characters we're interesting. I liked how Bruce Wayne pretended to be drunk and tried to hit Doc Savage *just* so he could find out what arm Doc uses to defend himself... really brillaint writing and the action was nicely done. I really like this novice Batman who sadly sends the wrong message with using guns.

Also those of you who didnt even plan to get this comic and just wanna spam here, please don't bother.

So this only consists of one issue, not multiple?

 

[Cain]

So this only consists of one issue, not multiple?

This is a lead in to a mini-series titled FIRST WAVE by Rags Morales and Azz.

 

[Batman]

yes, i completely understand the "elseworld" concept, and enjoy the possibilities it provides from a story-telling perspective, but what i fail to grasp is the artisyic decision of a gun-wielding batman. is it a thematic decision? i won't be able to get my copy until sunday, so hopefully this will become clear then...........

"....but i've been wrong before"

Well, the story takes place in the year 1939, the same year that Batman debuted. During that period, the character was portrayed as a gun-wielding vigilante who had no qualms with killing. So the reason behind it is basically a reference to Batman's earliest interpretation.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Well, the story takes place in the year 1939, the same year that Batman debuted. During that period, the character was portrayed as a gun-wielding vigilante who had no qualms with killing. So the reason behind it is basically a reference to Batman's earliest interpretation.

Perhaps you should read the stories before you claim such things

He held a gun in the first intro panel of one story and used one to kill the Monk (with silver bullets, BTW).

You make it sound like he went on a shooting spree every night.

What people make out of those nice, early, improvised GA stories...

 

[CConn]

Um, he has actually read those comics. As have I. Your insinuation is your own; Batman was a gun-toting vigilante in the early days. He wasn't blood thirsty, but yeah, he did pop a cap in a dude's ass every now and then.

 

[Batman]

Perhaps you should read the stories before you claim such things

He held a gun in the first intro panel of one story and used one to kill the Monk (with silver bullets, BTW).

You make it sound like he went on a shooting spree every night.

What people make out of those nice, early, improvised GA stories...

Firstly, I've not only read those stories, I own them in paperback form.

Secondly, I said 'gun-wielding vigilante'. Which is true - he was a vigilante, and he did wield a gun. Only when you misinterpret that to mean that he constantly wielded one in every single moment of his appearance does it become a statement implying that he went on a shooting spree. Which in itself was what you took out of what I said, not what I said in actuality.

Thirdly, well... you're wrong. Detective #29 is where he first uses a gun, and not in an intro panel, but in the midst of an interrogation in which he threatened to kill two of Dr. Death's henchmen. Adding to that the story in Detective #31-32, where you mentioned that he used silver bullets against The Monk, aswell as the intro panel of Detective #35, and another panel in #36, and you have a Batman that's clearly not above using firearms. Those stories spanned across the entirety of his appearances in 1939 (The last appearance of the gun is, ironically, in January of 1940), making my statement accurate. It is a reference to the 1939 Batman.

He even had a holster for a gun on his utility belt, making it's appearance on both the cover and the interior story of Detective Comics #33.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Thirdly, well... you're wrong. Detective #29 is where he first uses a gun, and not in an intro panel, but in the midst of an interrogation in which he threatened to kill two of Dr. Death's henchmen.

He took the gun of one of the henchmen. It was not his own gun.

Adding to that the story in Detective #31-32, where you mentioned that he used silver bullets against The Monk, aswell as the intro panel of Detective #35, and another panel in #36, and you have a Batman that's clearly not above using firearms. Those stories spanned across the entirety of his appearances in 1939 (The last appearance of the gun is, ironically, in January of 1940), making my statement accurate. It is a reference to the 1939 Batman.

But he didn't have an own gun when he went out crime-fighting.

He even had a holster for a gun on his utility belt, making it's appearance on both the cover and the interior story of Detective Comics #33.

but without a gun...

 

[C. Lee]

If someone (who is a vigilante) takes a gun from someone else...and then uses it (whether shooting it or just to intimidate and scare)....doesn't that make them a gun wielding vigilante?

People do not bother to wear a gun holster....unless they have plans to have a gun in it at some time or another.

 

[GlasgowBat]

so it's a reference to batman's first appearance......fair enough. you'd think they would have gone all out with it then though. costume and such, and have him use the guns like he did then, and not this apparent "non-lethal" use. and didn't i read that it's not set then? that it's a mix of this time and that time? "cell phones and tommy guns" or some such?

look forward to reading it. i've always enjoyed azzarello's writing

 

[C. Lee]

so it's a reference to batman's first appearance......fair enough. you'd think they would have gone all out with it then though. costume and such, and have him use the guns like he did then, and not this apparent "non-lethal" use. and didn't i read that it's not set then? that it's a mix of this time and that time? "cell phones and tommy guns" or some such?

look forward to reading it. i've always enjoyed azzarello's writing

Yes, it's a reference to his first appearances....and yes, it's set in an alternate reality. And because it's set in an alternate reality....it doesn't have to be exactly like it was in his first appearances we know.

 

[sclabguy]

i thought it was enjoyable and pretty cool. I'll probably follow the rest of it. so i am excited

 

[ih8nyy]

There were a lot of posts made by people trying to turn this into a secret lounge, where they had absolutely no idea who Doc Savage was and couldn't have cared less about him...and when some people tried to explain him and his significance to the comic and superhero world....we got more of the same crap that got the Batousi Lounge closed (which just makes it that much longer before another one will be allowed....way to go guys, good job).

Not really, but you are entitled to your own opinion.

 

[CLARKY]

I loved it. Loved the issue, the atmosphere, everything. The only thing I did not like was batman. Fed up of batman everywhere, the all mighty god, who can beat anyone, betray anyone,.... don't like it at all. Even if, in this case, he is still human enough, it did not please me at all to see him overanalysing everything like usual. I think it is the weak point of the book. The Phantom would have been so great instead ! So great ! (Or the Shadow. Or the Crimson Avenger. I love the Crimson avenger pretty much. There are plenty of good Pulp character to use). I still think the Phantom would have been better than the dork knight.
On the other hand, Doc was great ! And the art of Phil Noto suits perfectly the character. I usually enjoy Morales a lot but I think I would have enjoyed Noto on the long term, he illustrated perfectly the "Man of Bronze", like "made of Bronze", like a statue. Loved that. The writing was fine and not caricatural. I like the author anyway.
I loved the issue. Too bad batman is in it.

 

[GlasgowBat]

yeah......complainig about characters being over-used whilst having a superman-related thingy-majig is just a tad ironic.......

the reason batman is used so much is because he is popular. he is popular because, when written properly, he is one of the best characters in the entire medium.

as is superman, spider-man etc. there is a reason tha the best writers use them so much.

I liked the comic, mind. entertaining. Not completely sold on it, but i think i may well have been expecting too much.

 

[Drz]

 

[3dman27]

wow

 

[Drz]

First Wave #1 preview is up! Now with color!