Batman: Arkham City - - - - Part 13

[venom892]

So who do you guys want to return and not return in the sequel? Here's what I would like

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Returning
Deadshot(In a proper costume.):While his mission was fun, the final encounter left me yearning for more. I think it be awesome to have a boss fight with Deadshot in the streets of Gotham City similar to the The End in MGS3, but with the added twist that Deadshot would shot civilians to draw Batman's attention. I would want him working for Black Mask.

Harley Quinn: I feel this should be a side mission type thing to wrap up her story.

Two Faceidn't do much in the game but get his ass kicked. I think he can come back as a major crime boss in the third one, having absorbed most of Penguin's and Joker's gang.

Black Mask: Just a small cameo here, But I feel with Joker gone Black Mask will become top boss with his only competitor being Two Face and slight resistance from Harley.

Killer Croc: Working for Black Mask or Two Face he'd be their main muscle. This would be all out brawl unlike the first game.

Hush: Just want him screwing with Bruce/Batman a lot!

Scarecrow: If only for him to poison an entire part of Gotham with the fear toxin just like the narrows in Batman Begins.

Mad Hatter: Either a side mission where he kidnaps Vickie Vale to be "Alice" or working with one of the two major crime bosses.

Azrael: This one is obvious. Maybe we'll get some play time with him too?

Ra's Al Ghul and the League: Perhaps they are at war with the order of St. Dumas? or have a back up plan after Arkham City.


No Need to return

Zssaz: I think they've done all they can.

Mr. Freeze: Was a major part of the story in AC. His boss fight was extremely well done. Plus he'll be busy just tending to Nora.

Solomon Grundy: Great boss fight, but I don't want him back.

Poison Ivy: Great boss battle in AA and served her purpose in AC with Catwoman. Although maybe she'll take in Harley or seek revenge against Selina?

Penguin: I liked this version a lot but Penguin I think ran his course.

Bane: Nice side mission but I think he should return.

Clayface: Great twist at the end and the boss fight was epic. However I think his spot should be given to new characters.


New additions

Manbat: This would be an epic fight across the Gotham skyline. Plus the league could force Dr' Langston to mutate assassins and later in the game we fight Ninja Manbats just like Morrison's run.

Deathstroke: Could be an epic hand to hand fight. Maybe have him be the villain of a Nightwing plot line?

 

[Savage]

Manbat: This would be an epic fight across the Gotham skyline. Plus the league could force Dr' Langston to mutate assassins and later in the game we fight Ninja Manbats just like Morrison's run.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Aerial combat is the next step. I want to see Batman jumping from Manbat to Manbat taking them out. Or, hell, even bring in the vehicles and let's see some batplane action.

Poison Ivy and Harley are a duo that I would love to see in the games.

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If Gotham's going to be on fire then Firefly HAS to appear. I would love to see what Rocksteady does with this character. There is so much potential there.

I'd actually find it kind of cool if Batman went back and freed Solomon Grundy and used him as an ally. Maybe as a twist later in the game where Killer Croc is just about ready to kill him and Batman would say a line like "You really think I'm stupid enough to face you alone?" and Grundy would come in. They both lurk in the sewers. I've always found them meeting inevitable.

Also Clayface fell into a Lazarus pit which usually does the opposite of kill people so if they don't do anything with that I'll be disappointed.

Also, when's the REAL Scarface going to show? Let's get that guy involved if gangsters become a focal point. The stories say that the Scarface from Asylum and City isn't even the original one so that has me curious.

 

[venom892]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Aerial combat is the next step. I want to see Batman jumping from Manbat to Manbat taking them out. Or, hell, even bring in the vehicles and let's see some batplane action.

Poison Ivy and Harley are a duo that I would love to see in the games.

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If Gotham's going to be on fire then Firefly HAS to appear. I would love to see what Rocksteady does with this character. There is so much potential there.

I'd actually find it kind of cool if Batman went back and freed Solomon Grundy and used him as an ally. Maybe as a twist later in the game where Killer Croc is just about ready to kill him and Batman would say a line like "You really think I'm stupid enough to face you alone?" and Grundy would come in. They both lurk in the sewers. I've always found them meeting inevitable.

Also Clayface fell into a Lazarus pit which usually does the opposite of kill people so if they don't do anything with that I'll be disappointed.

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Totally forgot Firefly! That would add to the Aeriel combat and be a great boss fight. Really the possibilities are endless. I very much look forward to what they can do. The one thing I don't want though is a Joker return. I love the bastard but he's had two games where he has been the focus and I want others in the spotlight.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Aerial combat is the next step. I want to see Batman jumping from Manbat to Manbat taking them out. Or, hell, even bring in the vehicles and let's see some batplane action.

Aerial combat is a feature I could do without in a Batman game. I'd be fine with it if it were done well, however.

Poison Ivy and Harley are a duo that I would love to see in the games.

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If Gotham's going to be on fire then Firefly HAS to appear. I would love to see what Rocksteady does with this character. There is so much potential there.

I'd actually find it kind of cool if Batman went back and freed Solomon Grundy and used him as an ally. Maybe as a twist later in the game where Killer Croc is just about ready to kill him and Batman would say a line like "You really think I'm stupid enough to face you alone?" and Grundy would come in. They both lurk in the sewers. I've always found them meeting inevitable.

Also Clayface fell into a Lazarus pit which usually does the opposite of kill people so if they don't do anything with that I'll be disappointed.

Also, when's the REAL Scarface going to show? Let's get that guy involved if gangsters become a focal point. The stories say that the Scarface from Asylum and City isn't even the original one so that has me curious.

I would love to see more of the villain territory feature at play. Have territorial disputes that erupt into gang wars, with Batman having the option to intervene or just let the gangs kill each other.

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I love the idea with Firefly!

 

[Savage]

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Totally forgot Firefly! That would add to the Aeriel combat and be a great boss fight. Really the possibilities are endless. I very much look forward to what they can do. The one thing I don't want though is a Joker return. I love the bastard but he's had two games where he has been the focus and I want others in the spotlight.

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I'd agree about the Joker but to be honest I am really curious to see where this story would go involving Harley and his kid. If Harley knows or finds out about the Lazarus pit you just know it'll be this race to stop her from recovering his body and using it and that's just an idea that seems too cool to me. Especially with the image of Joker rising from the pit good as new.

The great thing about it is if Hamilton really doesn't come back they easily have an excuse for a new voice actor or even a new look like the one written by Morrison.

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I would also like to mention that if Lazarus pits are involved I would not object to a Jason Todd/Red Hood appearance. I know Hush is most likely going to be the main villain of the next piece and fill the role of close friend going rotten but I wouldn't object to a little Red Hood action.

 

[Savage]

Aerial combat is a feature I could do without in a Batman game. I'd be fine with it if it were done well, however.



I would love to see more of the villain territory feature at play. Have territorial disputes that erupt into gang wars, with Batman having the option to intervene or just let the gangs kill each other.

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I love the idea with Firefly!

I feel like they won't try that with the gangs again. There was already a lot of that with Jokers and Penguins and Two-face guys and what have you (plus they were more visually interesting than thugs in suits). Funny enough, I think if the mafia does get involved, it'll be to unite against the freaks. Clearly if you don't have powers you're pretty much obsolete in Gotham...How does everybody feel about Intergang? (excuse for a Batwoman appearance...Maybe even Question or at least Renee Montoya)

As for aerial combat, with all the diving and such that's been done in this one, I can really see it being fun grappling from opponent to opponent. Maybe injecting them with a syrum that takes em out. An aerial fight with Firefly, hanging on his back, especially interests me.

 

[Godzilla2014]

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I'd agree about the Joker but to be honest I am really curious to see where this story would go involving Harley and his kid. If Harley knows or finds out about the Lazarus pit you just know it'll be this race to stop her from recovering his body and using it and that's just an idea that seems too cool to me. Especially with the image of Joker rising from the pit good as new.

The great thing about it is if Hamilton really doesn't come back they easily have an excuse for a new voice actor or even a new look like the one written by Morrison.

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I would also like to mention that if Lazarus pits are involved I would not object to a Jason Todd/Red Hood appearance. I know Hush is most likely going to be the main villain of the next piece and fill the role of close friend going rotten but I wouldn't object to a little Red Hood action.

Personally, I think if you're going to recast Joker, you might as well recast Batman while you're at it. I'd have a hard time imagining Kevin Conroy's Batman without Mark Hamil's Joker or vice a versa.

 

[Savage]

Personally, I think if you're going to recast Joker, you might as well recast Batman while you're at it. I'd have a hard time imagining Kevin Conroy's Batman without Mark Hamil's Joker or vice a versa.

Can't disagree with you there. It would be strange. Wouldn't bug me too much, though. Both Batman and Joker have had a really good track record with voice actors where I'm never really bothered by the change (Especially in Under The Red Hood. I'd be happy with that guy).

 

[Godzilla2014]

I feel like they won't try that with the gangs again. There was already a lot of that with Jokers and Penguins and Two-face guys and what have you (plus they were more visually interesting than thugs in suits). Funny enough, I think if the mafia does get involved, it'll be to unite against the freaks. Clearly if you don't have powers you're pretty much obsolete in Gotham...How does everybody feel about Intergang? (excuse for a Batwoman appearance...Maybe even Question or at least Renee Montoya)

As for aerial combat, with all the diving and such that's been done in this one, I can really see it being fun grappling from opponent to opponent. Maybe injecting them with a syrum that takes em out. An aerial fight with Firefly, hanging on his back, especially interests me.

Why not? Personally, I think that there's a lot of potential for expanding the gang warfare concept into gameplay outside of story mode.

On aerial combat, it's just not something I'd see Batman using often enough to be a major part of his repertoire.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

If they are going to resurrect Joker, I'd rather he only be in in it at the end and they just use stock audio of Mark Hamill in B:TAS, TNBA, BB:ROTJ DCUO and JL.

 

[Savage]

If they are going to resurrect Joker, I'd rather he only be in in it at the end and they just use stock audio of Mark Hamill in B:TAS, TNBA, BB:ROTJ DCUO and JL.

Well, that's certainly one way around it

Why not? Personally, I think that there's a lot of potential for expanding the gang warfare concept into gameplay outside of story mode.

On aerial combat, it's just not something I'd see Batman using often enough to be a major part of his repertoire.

I agree. Normally I'd hesitate on Intergang because I'm used to them being a superman problem but the last few years with their connection with The League of Assassins and all that stuff involving the crime bible, I think they'd work pretty well. Especially against The Order of St. Dumas, if they're gonna go religious. Plus I can see Langstrom being involved with all the animal transformations and all.

And that's understandable. He doesn't fight in the air often but when he does it's pretty awesome. I see aerial combat being something used more for boss combat or maybe a climax with a crapload of Manbats swarming the skies. I'm not thinking anything like "Spider-man vs The Vulture" in any of his games or anything. More like something that borders on freefalling and really just hanging on for dear life.

Hell, something I'm surprised haven't made it into the games are the bat-bolas so maybe he can use those to wrap em up and have em fall out of the sky. I've always loved when he used those in the animated series.

 

[Jick]

Besides Hush and Azrael, I really want them to do Red Hood.
It'd be awesome to play as him in the challenge maps too, using his guns in the criminals.

 

[KneelBeforeZod]

New ... Red Hood, The Reaper, Firefly, Ragdoll, Deathstroke, Man-Bat, Professor Pyg, Ventriloquist, Great White Shark, The Falcones and Maronis. I think the Court of Owls could be really cool.

Returning -- I think most should return, just swap the main villains into minor roles and cameos, and give some of the side-villains starring roles this time ... Two Face, Hush, Black Mask, Scarecrow, Croc, Deadshot. Harley, Ivy and Catwoman should come back united as the Gotham Sirens ... not individually. Clayface was really cool, so I wouldn't mind seeing him come back. The major players in AC ... Freeze, Penguin, Grundy, Ras, etc. can return in side missions or cameos

I think the Gang War idea works ... just have different gangs taking hold due to Batman taking out the Penguin and the Joker in Arkham City. Maybe the fall of the Penguin and the Joker leads to Two Face taking a stronghold, and the emergence of Black Mask, the Falcones, Great White Shark, and the Scarface and the Ventriloquist fighting over territory. Clayface as a gang leader would be interesting ... maybe he takes the Joker's gang.

Strange and Talia obviously can't return barring an extraordinary development. I think Zsasz is pretty played-out ... but a cameo wouldn't be terrible. He doesn't need a side-mission, though. Bane and the Hatter as well.

Wouldn't mind seeing Robin or Nightwing involved in the main story this time. Maybe Drake as Red Robin, and Damian as Robin.

I'm mixed on The Riddler. I don't know how they top the AC Riddler ... but I don't know how an Arkham game is nearly as cool without the Riddler challenges. Without the Riddler, the game loses A LOT.

I think Joker should return ... near the end. Have the "resurrection" (Lazarus, Clayface faked his death, whatever) of Joker as part of the overall plot ... maybe with the Sirens involved. Scarecrow could be playing the gangs against each other ... and Scarecrow's fear obsession could lead to him either faking the Joker's presence (maybe with Clayface), or wanting to bring back the Joker. Or ... maybe Clayface takes over the Joker's gang, as the Joker. (Or maybe the Joker pretends to be Clayface pretending to be the Joker. Heh.) There are a bunch of ways to bring him back at the end ... some are dumber than others.

JB

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Generally, I think whatever next Batman game comes out, would benifit from trimming.
Both Arkham City and Asylum have too many characters. Arkham City in particular just feels hodgepodged with them. The story as well would benifit from being more laser sighted I much enjoyed the strange plotline more so than the Jokers. The ending kinda just felt tacked on with the Joker in the game just for the sake of being the most well know villain.

 

[KneelBeforeZod]

Generally, I think whatever next Batman game comes out, would benifit from trimming.
Both Arkham City and Asylum have too many characters. Arkham City in particular just feels hodgepodged with them. The story as well would benifit from being more laser sighted I much enjoyed the strange plotline more so than the Jokers. The ending kinda just felt tacked on with the Joker in the game just for the sake of being the most well know villain.

Asylum had too many characters? There were seven villains (and Joker and Harley are really one unit) ... Scarecrow, Croc, Bane, Joker/Harley, Ivy, Zsasz. Riddler on the side (didn't actually appear). That's not that many.

I can see the argument with Arkham City ... though the main story didn't have as many as it seems. Penguin, Freeze, Grundy, Ras, Talia, Strange, Clayface, Joker/Harley (That's nine ... but two came in pairs Ras/Talia, Joker/Harley. Am I forgetting any?). Lots of villains were in Arkham City, but not actually involved in the main story.

A game with two or three major villains and a bunch of nameless thugs won't quite have the same impact.

JB

 

[Havok83]

IDA that the games had too many characters. It was appropriate given the scope of the stories. You should expect to see alot of villians with Batman trapped in Arkham Asylum. AC expanded upon this. I thougth the characters utilized in the sidequests were done quite effectively

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

A game with two or three major villains and a bunch of nameless thugs won't quite have the same impact.

JB

Why? It would probably have more focus. I'v played 200 hour odd games such as Baldurs Gate II which only two main villains with a very engaging story.

Hell man, look at the Hugo Strange story-line, you get this cool launch trailer with a cool but simple premise, he knows batman identity. In the trailers, you see little snippets of his voice over and clips such as Batman standing next to his parents etched out kill spot. It gives the impression of a story-line that will be more personal and deep. It doesn't. At the end of the day, all it is, is just a vehical to get Batman in Arkham City with Hugo Strange using a James Bond type plot. None of that is explorered barring something like, two scenes. If they simply made it Hugo Strange messing around with Batman/Bruce Wayne without the uber "I actually work for" or bother with the Joker and the lame "He was actually" plottwist, it would probably feel a tighter and more personal experience imo.

The other thing that felt tacked on story-wise was Catwoman. She only seems to exist to combat use copies. She is a character based on maximising profit.

 

[Godzilla2014]

If they are going to resurrect Joker, I'd rather he only be in in it at the end and they just use stock audio of Mark Hamill in B:TAS, TNBA, BB:ROTJ DCUO and JL.

I'd rather that they just not undo the Joker's death.

Well, that's certainly one way around it


I agree. Normally I'd hesitate on Intergang because I'm used to them being a superman problem but the last few years with their connection with The League of Assassins and all that stuff involving the crime bible, I think they'd work pretty well. Especially against The Order of St. Dumas, if they're gonna go religious. Plus I can see Langstrom being involved with all the animal transformations and all.

And that's understandable. He doesn't fight in the air often but when he does it's pretty awesome. I see aerial combat being something used more for boss combat or maybe a climax with a crapload of Manbats swarming the skies. I'm not thinking anything like "Spider-man vs The Vulture" in any of his games or anything. More like something that borders on freefalling and really just hanging on for dear life.

Hell, something I'm surprised haven't made it into the games are the bat-bolas so maybe he can use those to wrap em up and have em fall out of the sky. I've always loved when he used those in the animated series.

I agree. I think Catwoman has bolas in Batman: Arkham City.

Generally, I think whatever next Batman game comes out, would benifit from trimming.
Both Arkham City and Asylum have too many characters. Arkham City in particular just feels hodgepodged with them. The story as well would benifit from being more laser sighted I much enjoyed the strange plotline more so than the Jokers. The ending kinda just felt tacked on with the Joker in the game just for the sake of being the most well know villain.

I'd say maybe streamline the number of characters in the main story, but retaining them in side missions, like those of Batman: Arkham City.

 

[Havok83]

Why? It would probably have more focus. I'v played 200 hour odd games such as Baldurs Gate II which only two main villains with a very engaging story.

Baldurs Gate also isnt a licesned comic book game. I dont think any comic game can get away with just having 2 major villains from the books. People want to fight/experience whats familiar, not a bunch of random thugs or newly created characters

 

[Godzilla2014]

Does anyone else miss the Ultra Batclaw from Batman: Arkham Asylum?

 

[KneelBeforeZod]

Why? It would probably have more focus. I'v played 200 hour odd games such as Baldurs Gate II which only two main villains with a very engaging story.

Hell man, look at the Hugo Strange story-line, you get this cool launch trailer with a cool but simple premise, he knows batman identity. In the trailers, you see little snippets of his voice over and clips such as Batman standing next to his parents etched out kill spot. It gives the impression of a story-line that will be more personal and deep. It doesn't. At the end of the day, all it is, is just a vehical to get Batman in Arkham City with Hugo Strange using a James Bond type plot. None of that is explorered barring something like, two scenes. If they simply made it Hugo Strange messing around with Batman/Bruce Wayne without the uber "I actually work for" or bother with the Joker and the lame "He was actually" plottwist, it would probably feel a tighter and more personal experience imo.

The other thing that felt tacked on story-wise was Catwoman. She only seems to exist to combat use copies. She is a character based on maximising profit.

Because we've just played two games with seven and nine villains in their respective main storylines. Two or three would be a major downgrade ... not nearly as epic feeling. And, that's not even considering that AC had many more in unrelated side missions and cameos (Bane, Hatter, Hush, Catwoman, Riddler, Deadshot, Zsasz, Two Face, Ivy, Calendar Man, Black Mask, Croc).

These are action games, not dramas or slow-moving detective stories. I like Batman's detective stories and dramas ... but they wouldn't work for a videogame. These two games were a knuckles-first tour of the Batman Universe. Anything less in a third installment would be a letdown.

I agree that they under-used Hugo Strange, though. I disagree on the Joker stuff ... he worked in the overall plot. It was personal enough -- but it needs to be personal, and seemingly insurmountable. I like that Batman had too much to do; that his attention was demanded in 10 different directions ... that's part of what made it feel like Batman.

JB

 

[Jick]

Does anyone else miss the Ultra Batclaw from Batman: Arkham Asylum?

Yes, whenever I had to destroy a ceiling to take the trophy. Sometimes, I took my batclaw and shot the ceilling just for the hell of it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yes, whenever I had to destroy a ceiling to take the trophy. Sometimes, I took my batclaw and shot the ceilling just for the hell of it.

Same here! I loved using the Ultra BatClaw to pull three thugs simultaneously over a ledge in Batman: Arkham Asylum as well.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Why? It would probably have more focus. I'v played 200 hour odd games such as Baldurs Gate II which only two main villains with a very engaging story.

Hell man, look at the Hugo Strange story-line, you get this cool launch trailer with a cool but simple premise, he knows batman identity. In the trailers, you see little snippets of his voice over and clips such as Batman standing next to his parents etched out kill spot. It gives the impression of a story-line that will be more personal and deep. It doesn't. At the end of the day, all it is, is just a vehical to get Batman in Arkham City with Hugo Strange using a James Bond type plot. None of that is explorered barring something like, two scenes. If they simply made it Hugo Strange messing around with Batman/Bruce Wayne without the uber "I actually work for" or bother with the Joker and the lame "He was actually" plottwist, it would probably feel a tighter and more personal experience imo.

The other thing that felt tacked on story-wise was Catwoman. She only seems to exist to combat use copies. She is a character based on maximising profit.

I agree about Hugo Strange being underused, but I disagree with most everything else you said.

 

[Balthus Dire]

IDA that the games had too many characters. It was appropriate given the scope of the stories. You should expect to see alot of villians with Batman trapped in Arkham Asylum. AC expanded upon this. I thougth the characters utilized in the sidequests were done quite effectively

I agree completely. One of the things I loved about Arkham City was constantly wondering which villain would pop up next. It was handled very well, IMO, and never felt forced or muddled to me (with the exception of maybe Mad Hatter).

I will also agree, however, that Hugo Strange was criminally underused. They barely explored the "Strange knows Bruce is Batman" thing, which I thought would've been extremely interesting for the game's storyline.