Batman: Arkham Knight

[Doc Samson]

I'm not talking about superhero games in general. I'm talking about this game franchise. The Arkham series. Many people justifiably feel AK isn't of the quality and standard set by the previous games. No misdirection there.

Nobody had unrealistic expectations for this game that I saw. Nobody's complaints here centered on people expecting or wishing for the impossible or the unreasonable. Things like turning over half the game into a tedious driving game, dull side missions, lack of boss fights, weak story and poor plot twist etc are all reasonable and valid complaints.

You're entitled to feel however you feel about it, so am I (we've done this dance a time or two already). IMO, the boss fights were largely unimaginative in AC (and AA for that matter) outside of Mr. Freeze and I found them to be tedious and unnecessary and some of the weakest parts of the previous games even though I could tolerate it. Hence why I like their absence. I also think the side missions are much better than any of the previous games by and large as well. Don't even get me started on the AC story and plot twists there either. So, for you, this didn't live up to the "franchise" IMO there wasn't much to live up to in terms of AC. AA was the first proper Batman game ever created, so in certain regards it gets a pass for some of it's shortcomings, but that ending wasn't particularly good either.

You don't see many people praise Arkham City's story. I think it's the weakest of the four games. The story not the game itself as a whole.

You should look around. I've seen quite a few people say that they enjoyed AC as a game and as a story. I'm not just talking about in this forum either, I'm talking about in life.

 

[Knight_SV]

I'm hoping Rocksteady will add injustice skin for batman later, i like that suit so much

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I'm not talking about superhero games in general. I'm talking about this game franchise. The Arkham series. Many people justifiably feel AK isn't of the quality and standard set by the previous games. No misdirection there.

Nobody had unrealistic expectations for this game that I saw. Nobody's complaints here centered on people expecting or wishing for the impossible or the unreasonable. Things like turning over half the game into a tedious driving game, dull side missions, lack of boss fights, weak story and poor plot twist etc are all reasonable and valid complaints.



You don't see many people praise Arkham City's story. I think it's the weakest of the four games. The story not the game itself as a whole.

I'll definitely sign on to this.

I just finished AK on New Game Plus, and rather than holding up even better like Origins has on the second playthrough, it actually becomes a weaker game. The tank fights are infuriatingly irritating, the Arkham Knight reveal even more out of nowhere given how long it takes to even introduce the character he is, and of course the side missions nearly killed me getting through.

I loved the side missions in Origins, and to a lesser extent AC. AC's ones were still a bit too much on the 'find x, then y, then z, then mini-boss fight' side, but Origins had the great confrontation with Deadshot, breaking up the tussles between Penguin and Bane's men on the way to finding Bird, going through Shiva's trials, and even the repetitive stuff like with the Black Mask side mission there was still a pay off at the end, and the actual repetitive stuff was never really annoying or banal.

But all the militia checkpoints and drones and towers and bombs were complete naff. And even worse there's less preparedness for out-of-order stuff that Rocksteady previously paid attention to. If you do the Hush mission after the game the unmasking is still met with complete surprise, and even if you lock up the Riddler first he still comes on tv afterward and proclaims that he still remains to be caught.

Considering that Origins is my favourite of the series, the whole 'expectations too high' criticism doesn't hold up. The gameplay barely changed, and it was actually had more glitches than the rest of the more refined series. But the plot was great, it is legitimately my favourite take on the Joker/Batman meeting, it had fantastic characterisation, was devoid of the sexism that Rocksteady's games had, actually had character arcs and call backs and an identifiable narrative theme going, and the boss fights were quite fun and cinematic.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yuck, the injustice suit is awful lol

 

[AnneFan]

I played the Harley chapter finally last night, and didn't expect it to be that short.

Loved her 'crazy' mode, though. The police didn't stand a chance.

 

[Darkness Falls]

did anyone else get a scare

Spoiler

the section as joker where you shoot the batman statues and they keep respawning and then the real batman jumps at you

i also felt uneasy when

Spoiler

before you switch back to batman, he is walking towards you and you try to shoot him and he just phases them like he's made of smoke and keeps coming

like everyone

Spoiler

man bat's jumpscare scared me too haha

 

[Naked Shia]

yes, it was really scary and thus, awesome.

 

[Roderick]

Just came across some cool dialogue from Joker after talking to Professor Pyg.

"This guy's sicker than me and Harley's honeymoon tapes."

 

[Naked Shia]

Pyg was one of the best side mission.

 

[Rodrigo90]

That creepy mofo...

 

[AnneFan]

Pyg was one of the best side mission.

I agree that was the best one.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I just prefer to think the guy has respiratory problems, and his snorting is the result of him trying with great difficulty to breath adequately...

Snorting like a pig out of madness is just too disturbing for my mind to cope with...

 

[Drz]

Fun fact: Arkham Knight is the first story to show Pyg's face.

 

[The Caped Knight]

did anyone else get a scare

Spoiler

the section as joker where you shoot the batman statues and they keep respawning and then the real batman jumps at you

i also felt uneasy when

Spoiler

before you switch back to batman, he is walking towards you and you try to shoot him and he just phases them like he's made of smoke and keeps coming

Congrats on the scare Rocksteady.

like everyone

Spoiler

man bat's jumpscare scared me too haha

[blackout]Man-Bat[/blackout] seemed to get the jump on everyone. I've yet to hear or see a gamer not have a freakout moment when he first appears.

 

[Rodrigo90]

It scared the crap out of me, and then I became angry at him because of it. I essentially became Captain Ahab in his pursuit of Moby Dick.

 

[The Caped Knight]

It scared the crap out of me, and then I became angry at him because of it. I essentially became Captain Ahab in his pursuit of Moby Dick.

In new game plus, [blackout]Joker[/blackout] also gave me a jump scare when he reenactment the scene. lol

 

[Rodrigo90]

In new game plus, [blackout]Joker[/blackout] also gave me a jump scare when he reenactment the scene. lol

At the beginning? Jesus! I had no idea that would happen. Funnily enough, my mother was about, and she's a huge fan of Batman in general and she was impressed by the graphics of the game, and I offered her a shot at it. She gets creeped out easily, so I decided to start the new game plus that just opened up for me after my completion. So I deliberately gave her that to do...only for the bastard to jump up and scare the **** out of us both

 

[Naked Shia]

Fun fact: Arkham Knight is the first story to show Pyg's face.

not true. we see his face very clearly in batman 666.

 

[The Slang]

Did this version of Pyg give himself a facelift?

 

[Dark_Lord]

"The Matter of Family" DLC trailer

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Can't tell if Tim Robin or Dick Robin....

Would have preferred actually Jason Robin due to the audio tapes.

 

[The Joker]

I have gotten them all and there was not any graffiti scanning at least. There were environmental riddles that unlock the city stories but those were relatively hassle-free despite a few being hard to find. And many of the trophies in Knight were just sitting out sans-puzzle as well. So I found this game easier than City in that department.

There is worse than graffiti scanning ones. There is ones that you have to scan in the Batmobile, and then keep scanning constantly to follow a long awkward trail of question marks that eventually leads you to a trophy.

So after one of those you'll be wishing for just a simple scanning graffiti one lol.

You're entitled to feel however you feel about it, so am I (we've done this dance a time or two already). IMO, the boss fights were largely unimaginative in AC (and AA for that matter) outside of Mr. Freeze and I found them to be tedious and unnecessary and some of the weakest parts of the previous games even though I could tolerate it. Hence why I like their absence. I also think the side missions are much better than any of the previous games by and large as well. Don't even get me started on the AC story and plot twists there either. So, for you, this didn't live up to the "franchise" IMO there wasn't much to live up to in terms of AC. AA was the first proper Batman game ever created, so in certain regards it gets a pass for some of it's shortcomings, but that ending wasn't particularly good either.

I'm not saying you're not entitled to feel what ever way you do. I'm telling you that your theory that people had unrealistic expectations has nothing to back it up from what I've seen. Of all the complaints I've seen nothing has been based on something that was unreasonable. They were all valid and logical complaints.

The Arkham games were never going to win any prizes for brilliant boss battles, but at least they challenged their players with some. And occasionally delivered some great ones (Bane, Freeze, Firefly, Deathstroke etc). So to go from that to no boss fights at all (I don't count boring tank fights) is a step down from the standard the series has.

How you can think the side missions are better I don't know when the bulk of them involve Batmobile chases (APC units, Firefly etc) or taking out endless Militia towers and road stops. Professor Pyg and Man Bat were the only half way decent ones. And even Man Bat's one was just a cycle of repetitiveness. Jump on him and inject him every time you hear him in the sky. Didn't even get to fight him. Like Deathstroke, they totally wasted a character that could have been a brilliant brawl for Batman.

You should look around. I've seen quite a few people say that they enjoyed AC as a game and as a story. I'm not just talking about in this forum either, I'm talking about in life.

Well I can't account for people you meet in your life obviously. But please direct me to where on-line the praises are being sung for AC's story.

I'll definitely sign on to this.

I just finished AK on New Game Plus, and rather than holding up even better like Origins has on the second playthrough, it actually becomes a weaker game. The tank fights are infuriatingly irritating, the Arkham Knight reveal even more out of nowhere given how long it takes to even introduce the character he is, and of course the side missions nearly killed me getting through.

I loved the side missions in Origins, and to a lesser extent AC. AC's ones were still a bit too much on the 'find x, then y, then z, then mini-boss fight' side, but Origins had the great confrontation with Deadshot, breaking up the tussles between Penguin and Bane's men on the way to finding Bird, going through Shiva's trials, and even the repetitive stuff like with the Black Mask side mission there was still a pay off at the end, and the actual repetitive stuff was never really annoying or banal.

But all the militia checkpoints and drones and towers and bombs were complete naff. And even worse there's less preparedness for out-of-order stuff that Rocksteady previously paid attention to. If you do the Hush mission after the game the unmasking is still met with complete surprise, and even if you lock up the Riddler first he still comes on tv afterward and proclaims that he still remains to be caught.

Considering that Origins is my favourite of the series, the whole 'expectations too high' criticism doesn't hold up. The gameplay barely changed, and it was actually had more glitches than the rest of the more refined series. But the plot was great, it is legitimately my favourite take on the Joker/Batman meeting, it had fantastic characterisation, was devoid of the sexism that Rocksteady's games had, actually had character arcs and call backs and an identifiable narrative theme going, and the boss fights were quite fun and cinematic.

Hear hear

Pyg was one of the best side mission.

The best one for my money. The creepy corpses, the opera music, scanning on all the tissue types on the body. Even the showdown with Pyg and the Dollotrons where you had to properly take them down because they were immune to pain was great.

"The Matter of Family" DLC trailer

Looks good. Great to see classic Harley jester costume at last.

Only down side is it's Tim's Robin by the look of it. I was hoping for Dick. Even Jason would have been good.

 

[Kane52630]

Classic Harley costume. Finally!

 

[Drz]

That was one heck of a trailer!


Arkham Knight: Honest Trailers.

 

[AF3619]

that trailer was really cool, i´m tempted to buy the season pass for the dlc and the skins,

btw i finally managed to get "unstuck", it results that i forgot to use the Remote Hacking Device to hack to helicopter near the station...